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Offline NexT

Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2013, 03:13:12 pm »
actually a meeting should be done always not only for this time .. a meeting should be like at least 1 time a month to discuss everything about not only 1 server about all servers

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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2013, 04:04:33 pm »
Edited them a little

1. A ratio of 1:3 or 1:4 should be maintained. (CT:T)
2. Use of rude language is tolerated, as long as it's not offensive / insulting. Though, keep in mind, saying swear words after every sentence is not cool
3. No cheating during /lr (last request) [For instance using healing spots/taking another weapon or doing something you didn't choose for your last request]
4. Do not self-transfer to CT team, unless there isn't admin to do so. Make sure to keep the team balance (Rule 1).
5. Do not Spam/Script/Cheat and try to maintain peace in the server
6.You should follow the general server rules in jailbreak.


7. Do not block your teammates.
8. Do not give away your teammate's position. This is referred to as "Ghosting" and is not tolerated.
9. If you feel like you have been freekilled, ask calmly in chat for a reason, why you were killed. (If you get no response or feel that the kill was unjust and you didn't receive a fd to ask an admin or V.I.P)
10. Do not free-kill your teammates, unless officer allows you to do it.
11. If prisoner opens cells before 7:00 (and before officer does) it is automatically an unrestricted freeday.
12. If you are inside a vent, after the timer is on 0:00 CT is allowed to kill you / admin to slay you as you are delaying the game.



13. Make sure terrorists are judged fairly and you are impartial to all in your decisions.
14. Officers are allowed to kill prisoners if they aim directly at them with gun or attack them without warning (doesn't mean you always have to kill them)
15. If officers fail to command & open the cells before 7:00, it is an unrestrictred freeday.
16. Although there is no exact number of warning shots to be given, please be friendly and try to give at least 1 or 2 warning shots before execution.
17. Officers aren't allowed to kill people in vents (unless it's HNS day, Gunday or special days, or if it is a normal day he can say vent 30 seconds to warn the terrorist to get out)
18. If officers wish a prisoner to leave the vent, he must give him a 30 second chance to get out before he gets in and executes him (the timer is same for everybody, no matter when you entered it)
19. If a prisoner assassinates an officer and the other officer witnesses the kill he can kill the terrorist without warning.
20. If a prisoner wields a gun inside the vent the officer can kill him without warning.
21. Officers must have decent English communication skills and good working microphone, so prisoners have no issues understanding them.
22. Prisoners must always understand your command. Repeat it a few times and then warning shot them or ultimately kill them.
23. Make sure to be friendly and remember, you should play for fun. Also remember, more benevolent you are about executing, more beloved you will be between prisoners and players!
24. Do not hide guns in the map.
25. Officers can command any sort of gameplay (day) they want, while also trying to create new ones. If you are trying out a day make sure to explain rules of that specific day before playing it.
26. Officers cannot be biased (everyone is supposed to have equal chance of winning a game)
27. Special days are optional and should be played only when the map is coming close to an end.
28. Although boosting is allowed, CT call a command saying - "If you boost, you die."
29. If officer goes inside the cage terrorists are allowed to kill him without consequences, prisoners however can't leave the cage under any circumstances unless the officers tell you to do so

Edit
Didn't make changes in the rules just made it a little easier to understand
« Last Edit: August 21, 2013, 05:00:55 pm by Jason Bourne »


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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2013, 04:39:06 pm »
Jason can you please color the rules you changed ? Because im not willing to read all the rules again and see whats the difference between yours and rawr's.
+ Something to add. If it was bunnyhop/silent/handicap/punishment or any tricky day and the CT goes inside , the Ts are allowed to stand up/make noise/stop bhopping/stop following the CT commands to kill the other Ct which went inside of the cage.
And HS should add the SDs rules. I see players creating rules such as no camping in some SDs which isnt written ANYWHERE in the jailbreak rules.
Good job.


Kellys :(

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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2013, 07:43:16 am »
If you want a meeting then we will have to w8 for me to retuen back to bulgaria so i can make the meeting. Which i dont know when will happen. But it will be at least in a week or 2. That is why i want to discuss it with Ray and Rawr and to post what changes i think should be made then you will say id you like them or no. I dont want something that much just few things to be added which have to clear out some rules and few rules which does not exist anymore and they should exist.


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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2013, 09:08:37 am »
I thought there wont be so many things but when i started reading the current rules i saw that too many things are missing and new players can never know that they exist if they are not in the rules. Ye i know the rules and i dont mind it but for the new players they can never know that the following exists. Also i did this now because i had some free time and i havent talked with Ray or Rawr because they werent online.


Rules which should be added:

You can edit them as they are too long i am just copy-pasting them from the old rules topic.


1. If a Prisoner inflicts damage to an Officer he can be killed immediately. (this is needed because if the T takes dmg to the CT with nade he can get killed)

2. Officers must state orders before they open cells. If they state orders after opening cells, it is anautomatic unrestricted free day.

3. If the cells aren't opened by 7:00 because of the prisoner blocking the cell doors, it's not a freeday.

4. Officers can not camp in the gunroom, unless it is a Free day or Hide and Seek day.

5. Officers can kill prisoners in the gunroom, or in a restricted area without a warning even if the prisoner has a Free day or is playing Last Request.

6. Guns cannot be hidden in the gun room. You have this rule and that which i posted is the official but i think we better change it to something like:

CTs are not allowed to mess the guns in the gunroom. Because like on gray town then just throw the guns on the other side of the gunroom and whenthe vent guy jumps there arent any guns that he can pick so they just kill him which is unfair.

7. CTs are allowed to give only empty guns to the Ts.

8. Officers can Gun Check a prisoner if he thinks that the prisoner has a gun.
If the officers sees that the prisoner has a gun, officers has to warn the prisoner to drop it.
If the gun is not dropped in 5 seconds, an officer has the rights to kill him.

9. On Free days if an officer is sure that a prisoner has a gun, the prisoner can be killed with no warnings.

10. Use of HLDJ is strictly prohibited unless a game requiring music is being played, or it is a free day.
If it is a free day and somebody complains about the music, the officer MUST turn it off or risk being gagged and transferred back to terrorists.

11. Prisoners cannot give away positions of their team-mates. It is considered ghosting and could result in a kick/ban.

12. If an officer started commanding, other officers must not interfere in his commanding (talking in mic) or this will result in slay or transferring back to prisoner team.

13. The officer can be an officer for one map only, unless there are no other options available or the player has been an officer for less than 15min.

14. I think you have to allow the boosting from the cage as well because it is part of the fun game.

15. Officers are allowed to use their glow rights to a prisoner only when he has a Free day or they are playing a game where glow is required.

Cts are having fun with this glow and what you just see in the cat is You have been glowed in red then on the next line You have been glowed in blue. So this is annoying also 1 time a CT wanted to kill e but i was hiding in the cage behind my team mates and he couldnt find me so he just gave me a FD which glws me and them killed me. This is unfair and destroys the fun. As we were all having fun that the CT couldnt see my name and kill me. All were typing hahahha. While i was joking with the ct saying to i am not in the cage i am in the gunroom and will kill you soon.

- Also Rawr can you change 3 other things:

On rule 5 change it from "admin" to "admin/VIP"
On rule 7 change "door cell" with "cell door"
On rule 11 from "Free-killing" change it to "Team-killing"



Maybe add this:
 
1. Officers cannot kill prisoners for opening the cells because it is an unrestricted freeday as the cells were opened by terrorist. This rule also applies even if an officer stated that Cells cannot be opened.

2. Officers are not allowed to kill their team mates or this will result in slay/transfering back to prisoner team. I actually think that this should be added because CTs should try to end the day not to kill each other. They have to cover not search for cars and go to kill the commander as this can easyly ruin the day.

3. When an officer makes a race he does not need to state that cheating is not allowed
Example: In a pool race you must use the pool and must not go around it
In the case of high spray cheating is allowed unless the officer states that you cannot access some parts of the map to do the high spray
Example: Officer says do a high spray on a wall and there is a ladder that makes you go higher and therefore help you on the high spray,
if the officers says do not use the ladder you cannot use it




As long as we have this rule: - Anybody enforcing a rule on server that isn't listed here, isn't official and can be ignored
All this should be added or they are just not part of our rules anymore.



And rawr removed many other rules but i agree with them being removed. As i think we will have more fun without them and also some of them are just not followed by anyone.




Regards,
Monster
« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 09:22:31 am by MonsteR »

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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2013, 09:20:59 am »

I agree with all. Specially the last 3.
i just wanted teamkilling as T allowed XD
« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 11:05:49 am by sami<3 »
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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2013, 11:14:15 am »
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CTs are not allowed to mess the guns in the gunroom. Because like on gray town then just throw the guns on the other side of the gunroom and whenthe vent guy jumps there arent any guns that he can pick so they just kill him which is unfair.

To be honest, this is not necessary. CTs can if they have to due to rebelling, particularly in greytown remove few guns from the opening hole of the vent. In other sense, pick a gun and go out, not start screw about with them.

Also a lot of rules were not written, but we still played by them. I think some rules are easily learned inside the game. Like CTs shouldn't mess with guns, as well new players going CT can be told not to.
I rather have a smaller consistent size list of rules rather than a big one, which people won't bother to read. I know a lot of people who never actually read the rules for just that reason, but it also proves that they have learnt most of it in game.

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Cts are having fun with this glow and what you just see in the cat is You have been glowed in red then on the next line You have been glowed in blue. So this is annoying also 1 time a CT wanted to kill e but i was hiding in the cage behind my team mates and he couldnt find me so he just gave me a FD which glws me and them killed me. This is unfair and destroys the fun. As we were all having fun that the CT couldnt see my name and kill me. All were typing hahahha. While i was joking with the ct saying to i am not in the cage i am in the gunroom and will kill you soon.

Again, don't see a necessary rule here, rather that CTs should be aware that it's for FD's and team games only.

We have this rule:

"Any rule not listed here is not a JB rule!"

If we remove it we wont contradict ourselves.

Another suggestion would be, leave Rawrplus rules as official and old rules as still active, but just behind it, so if anyone is interested to study the list the he has that ability.

Sometimes the less is better and more is worse, and vice verse.
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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2013, 01:04:40 pm »
I agree with sami, many rules you mentioned are rather unnecessary and I don't see them in need to be added, as many of them are even pretty self-explanatory.

Here's a quote of Monster's rules, so people don't have to scroll up and down.
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1. If a Prisoner inflicts damage to an Officer he can be killed immediately. (this is needed because if the T takes dmg to the CT with nade he can get killed)

2. Officers must state orders before they open cells. If they state orders after opening cells, it is anautomatic unrestricted free day.

3. If the cells aren't opened by 7:00 because of the prisoner blocking the cell doors, it's not a freeday.

4. Officers can not camp in the gunroom, unless it is a Free day or Hide and Seek day.

5. Officers can kill prisoners in the gunroom, or in a restricted area without a warning even if the prisoner has a Free day or is playing Last Request.

6. Guns cannot be hidden in the gun room. You have this rule and that which i posted is the official but i think we better change it to something like:

CTs are not allowed to mess the guns in the gunroom. Because like on gray town then just throw the guns on the other side of the gunroom and whenthe vent guy jumps there arent any guns that he can pick so they just kill him which is unfair.

7. CTs are allowed to give only empty guns to the Ts.

8. Officers can Gun Check a prisoner if he thinks that the prisoner has a gun.
If the officers sees that the prisoner has a gun, officers has to warn the prisoner to drop it.
If the gun is not dropped in 5 seconds, an officer has the rights to kill him.

9. On Free days if an officer is sure that a prisoner has a gun, the prisoner can be killed with no warnings.

10. Use of HLDJ is strictly prohibited unless a game requiring music is being played, or it is a free day.
If it is a free day and somebody complains about the music, the officer MUST turn it off or risk being gagged and transferred back to terrorists.

11. Prisoners cannot give away positions of their team-mates. It is considered ghosting and could result in a kick/ban.

12. If an officer started commanding, other officers must not interfere in his commanding (talking in mic) or this will result in slay or transferring back to prisoner team.

13. The officer can be an officer for one map only, unless there are no other options available or the player has been an officer for less than 15min.

14. I think you have to allow the boosting from the cage as well because it is part of the fun game.

15. Officers are allowed to use their glow rights to a prisoner only when he has a Free day or they are playing a game where glow is required.

Cts are having fun with this glow and what you just see in the cat is You have been glowed in red then on the next line You have been glowed in blue. So this is annoying also 1 time a CT wanted to kill e but i was hiding in the cage behind my team mates and he couldnt find me so he just gave me a FD which glws me and them killed me. This is unfair and destroys the fun. As we were all having fun that the CT couldnt see my name and kill me. All were typing hahahha. While i was joking with the ct saying to i am not in the cage i am in the gunroom and will kill you soon.

- Also Rawr can you change 3 other things:

On rule 5 change it from "admin" to "admin/VIP"
On rule 7 change "door cell" with "cell door"
On rule 11 from "Free-killing" change it to "Team-killing"



Maybe add this:
 
1. Officers cannot kill prisoners for opening the cells because it is an unrestricted freeday as the cells were opened by terrorist. This rule also applies even if an officer stated that Cells cannot be opened.

2. Officers are not allowed to kill their team mates or this will result in slay/transfering back to prisoner team. I actually think that this should be added because CTs should try to end the day not to kill each other. They have to cover not search for cars and go to kill the commander as this can easyly ruin the day.

3. When an officer makes a race he does not need to state that cheating is not allowed
Example: In a pool race you must use the pool and must not go around it
In the case of high spray cheating is allowed unless the officer states that you cannot access some parts of the map to do the high spray
Example: Officer says do a high spray on a wall and there is a ladder that makes you go higher and therefore help you on the high spray,
if the officers says do not use the ladder you cannot use it

1. is obvious and doesn't need specific rule for it.

2. that is stated in my rules list already

3. that's also pretty obvious

4. I think I stated it, tho if I forgot to, Ill add it.

5. obvious one as well.

6. sami explained it already

7. CTs are allowed to give guns to everybody, when it's needed for a game. I don't see why this should be a rule at all. It's like if I created a rule stating, CTs are allowed to move forward and command.

8. Gunchecking is part of jailbreak that doesn't need to be mentioned in rules. I also feel like there shouldn't be specific rules for gunchecking as officers should handle the situation and using specific rules for it will only create confusion.

9. That's true, but I don't think it's necessary to add it there, as it's obvious when they are trying to attack them.

10. I stated that rule already as well.

11. Once again, it's inside the rules list I've posted.

12. Same story, stated in rules ::)

13. I think officers could be allowed for more than 1 map, but admins should try to keep diversity between them.

14. My rules suggestion states that it's allowed, in cells as well (not only in cage). I like the point of team cooperation for assassination of officer. Not only it makes friendly environment between prisoners, but also rewards you for playing as a team.

15. Will add.

Yellow rules,
1. I have a rule dedicated for opening before 7:00. I think officers are aware that once somebody opens a cell, they logically can't kill him outside of gunroom as it's unrestricted freeday.

2. I dislike the concept of teamkilling in general, which I added to prisoners. I don't see officers teamkilling each other, though if it's necessary to add..

3. I actually liked the idea of cheating and the fact, officer needs to state cheating is not allowed. I mean, officer has to be accurate in every command throughout the entire jailbreak, so why should be one stupid game an exception.



I know the rules I posted may not cover every single aspect of the mod but they are simple and easy to understand.
« Last Edit: August 22, 2013, 01:10:21 pm by Rawrplus »


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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2013, 01:10:48 pm »
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2. I dislike the concept of teamkilling in general, which I added to prisoners. I don't see officers teamkilling each other, though if it's necessary to add..

3. I actually liked the idea of cheating and the fact, officer needs to state cheating is not allowed. I mean, officer has to be accurate in every command throughout the entire jailbreak, so why should be one stupid game an exception.

Sometimes CT's team kill each other, I don't mind it as long as they can control the situation, if they can't then again it's pretty obvious, don't do it. Don't think it needs to be added as a rule.

on the 3rd, spot on, I like the cheating factor as well, if CT doesn't state no cheating, smarter prisoners could take advantage of it.

It's the ingame rules what counts more, on certain situations we don't do certain things and vice verse.
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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2013, 01:14:19 pm »
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15. Officers are allowed to kill prisoners if they directly aim at that with gun or attack them without warning (doesn't mean you always have to kill them)

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21. If a prisoner wields a gun inside the vent, officer is allowed to kill him without warning.

Rawr, make this as one rule, it is pretty explanatory:

15. Officers are allowed to kill prisoners if they have a gun in their hands no matter where they are - cage, vent, cell etc.

Something like that. Prisoners shouldn't have guns unless they need for a specific game.
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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2013, 01:21:37 pm »
Have added rule about glow menu (new rule 21.)

and edited prisoners wielding a gun rule (rule 15.)

Thanks for feedback sami / monster.


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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2013, 01:52:44 pm »
Rawplus ,i think that Monster wrote all these rules because if a new new new player would like to read the rules of Ambrosia Jb server he wouldnt be able to know what to do in all the situations so you cant say 5-6 rules are obvius.In my opinion why not to add some more rules in yours like 10-20.I remember when I starded play Jb I had to learn 50 Jb rules in Popay's topic..So you could add some of Monster's rules in yours

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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2013, 03:35:06 pm »
Rawplus ,i think that Monster wrote all these rules because if a new new new player would like to read the rules of Ambrosia Jb server he wouldnt be able to know what to do in all the situations so you cant say 5-6 rules are obvius.In my opinion why not to add some more rules in yours like 10-20.I remember when I starded play Jb I had to learn 50 Jb rules in Popay's topic..So you could add some of Monster's rules in yours

Roughly 20% of total players actually read rules. Myself as an example, I learned rules just by playing.
I added some of monster's suggested rules, but things like you shoot somebody you die hopefully don't have to be mentioned ::)


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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2013, 05:06:37 pm »
You have to see the bigger picture this time. Too many rules just degrade the gameplay. Of course fairness in game is what we seek for, but we shouldn't exceed that.
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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2013, 05:20:15 pm »
You have to see the bigger picture this time. Too many rules just degrade the gameplay. Of course fairness in game is what we seek for, but we shouldn't exceed that.

You sir should receive a reward for what you said. Don't overthink guys, plain and simple is the way to go.
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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2013, 05:42:30 pm »
Yup, simplicity is the way to go.


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Offline Jonathan

Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2013, 06:40:16 pm »
- No Map Exploits if there is a gltich with the map please do not do the glitch.
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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2013, 07:08:54 pm »
- No Map Exploits if there is a gltich with the map please do not do the glitch.

I don't see an issue with boosting


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Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2013, 07:21:34 pm »
- No Map Exploits if there is a gltich with the map please do not do the glitch.

I don't see an issue with boosting


Wasnt it disallowed before ?
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Offline Rawrplus

Re: Rawr's re-edition of rules (suggestion)
« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2013, 07:38:35 pm »
Does that mean it has to be disallowed now?


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