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@r+ - well, its up to green lads to activate ambro discussion board for a matters that could be a serious concern, and use drama board only for labelling threads that been gone into shitstorm... I dont know to be honest. Its still a new thing, init? Maybe give some time, patience is they key and regarding a new forums, I dont judge anything yet.. Lets give it some time, when the dust will settle from a big move..

[Rawrplus]

@nip - fu 


@r+ - well, its up to green lads to activate ambro discussion board for a matters that could be a serious concern, and use drama board only for labelling threads that been gone into shitstorm... I dont know to be honest. Its still a new thing, init? Maybe give some time, patience is they key and regarding a new forums, I dont judge anything yet.. Lets give it some time, when the dust will settle from a big move..

I don't think you quite understand the implication. This way, literally any form of argumentative topic can be labeled as drama-fueling, denying any potential meaningful discussion and automatically degrading it into a shitpost. This way, you literally wouldn't be able to post anything as it's up to individual identification of people whether your post will stay, no matter what the quality or content of your argument is.  I understand the idea behind it, but sadly, it is dysfunctional and it literally took less than a day to expose more than a few flaws with having a corner like that.

I mean, imagine if I moved 90% of your topics in old forums to general off-topic because I'd label them as drama-inciting and people would start posting dank memes on them and go completely off-topic. I'd probably get my ear full of another freedom of speech rant and I'm pretty sure you'd feel pretty unfairly judged as well, but that's what the implication behind current rules of labeling things as Drama is.

This topic included, Bes may not have the best English, but he meant to have a serious discussion regardless of the quality of his post, I'm pretty sure if it was simply moved to Drama Corner, we'd see some mocking, some shitposts (which we've seen here anyways)  and he'd never get a proper answer.

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Why not?

Look, if bes would formulate bit more clearly towards whom is his complaint as it was generally regarding spamming. So is he blaming me, replica or fms? All of us? Then what he suggests or what he asks generally speaking?

I don't think it was quite right to move thread to shitland, however escalation turns that here hardly I can see any meaningful outcome..

[Rawrplus]

Why not?

Look, if bes would formulate bit more clearly towards whom is his complaint as it was generally regarding spamming. So is he blaming me, replica or fms? All of us? Then what he suggests or what he asks generally speaking?

I don't think it was quite right to move thread to shitland, however escalation turns that here hardly I can see any meaningful outcome..

I used Bes's (this) topic as an example / plot-vehicle to drive the point home, my point was much more focused about the way Drama section works altogether.

[dAmss.MSI]

This ''drama board'' is just bs imo, if it's meant for fun then it should be on forum games and discussion or what ever it was named before.
Also I've never seen a GOOD drama in my entire life LOL, drama basically is a bad shit that happens.
I dunno what really happening but transfering Bess's topic directly is a bit savage. I suggest you to fix this prob on ts3 and lock this topic before it turns to a 10page topic.

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Why lock. Tell me, why lock?

[Andrew`]

I very recently explained why I find this board stupid and that every time a Staff member thinks something is "drama" he will move topics here from his own subjective point of view, but I was mocked. Well, I won't be surprised even if I see serious reports moved to drama because "why not".

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Some lads here sound like monks.. Worshippers of rules, never having sex before marriage 

[dave`]

welcome to the fresh new start of .com

['PL']

Also I've never seen a GOOD drama in my entire life LOL, drama basically is a bad shit that happens.

Good drama exists in the form of healthy not-over-the-top range of events that immerse two opposing parties to acquire a more positive state of understanding in agreeing or disagreeing. Sadly ambrosia never had the fair share of good drama because of how one party victimizes itself or engage in use of pictures and snarky chatter to present their point of view that enter subjective levels in which the main purpose is to attract or market their point of view to unrelated people. To add on what I said, the reminiscent conflict lies in the ideology of a disagreement or objective critic. Simply said the automatic disclosure of any disagreement was considered drama, because of the word and term that mostly every ambrosian staff used was in the wrong context, that is the prologue of a drama when the unfolding replies begin entering personal and opinionated zone which do not contribute anything new and useful to the disagreement. Rhetoric and Debate ultimately cease to exist when one of the party use tools outside that objective scope to prove their point, and that happened almost everytime a report was made. 

I personally had my fair share of being unprofessional in drama some couple of months when a good friend of mine backstabbed me for favor of keeping his position and behind the scene coalition because I keep past records and notion of said people in the coalition. And if I enacted on reciprocity, I had to expose every single one of them for the true image of past, but I didn't which meant that I didn't fueled any drama.

Other then that, I have never left my league to insult or flame or criticize someone on my portfolio using opinions instead of objective thought-process. Could be wrong, unfortunately it never occur to me that I've regretted something in a complaint or report I've made. It's still up to debate by case by case like every member here.

Because I don't know what is the plan behind this board, I suppose any thread in which the two or more parties have reached the peak of the disagreement or agreement following up with very irrelevant chatter about his/her opinions and point out to logic will have that same thread end up here in which that conversation is not going anywhere, I think @Red Wolf or someone else suggested to split the topic and move those replies or comments here while keeping the original thread where it was but locked. That way, everyone will judge the disagreement in the locked thread objectively but can leave their 2 cents in the thread in the drama board. If you think about it, it's even horrible for the forum moderators because they have to analyze every reply/thread very carefully to completely understand the meaning (or metaphorical, if there is one) which has to be 90% accurate to fairly decide what borders the objective from the subjective and vice a verse.

[Santa]

There are some points people just cant understand very well

firstly the new management, specialy as a moderator, In eu fm team werent as strict as they should be, when this move came, FM team has no time to argue about something with "No Purpose" . If you are complaining about something just because you dont like it, then expect your topic to be moved to drama corner, because that how it is in .com . there are more important stuff that high staff should waste there time on

Secondly the drama corner is still quite mysterious and even the high staff thenselfes might well very soon keep changing the rules of this board as its just new and needs time to figure out how it should really work.
Is it similer to off topic? Is it a place to archive or trash? Is it a place to create compliments ? or jockes ? or what?   

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Yeah, bitching about fms. It's like bois finally have found a corner where they can bitch about people. Haha somehow even despite the fact that no one was perfect at eu, we kept it low as reporting and bitching would lead to nothing.


And guess fucking what?!

Without a single report or qq post ambrosia has finally staff that in my eyes are capible of dealing with shitstorms and meanwhile having some fun.

And you spam fighters , you really think it's post count that would dedicate how much of ambrosian you are?! Think again monks..

[dAmss.MSI]

Why lock? Because it's a kind of a report and must be taken seriously, some people are just mocking because Bess made this topic, if it was an ''oldies'' as some call them selfs then it'd have been considered. Seriously just let the staff take in charge stuff like that.
Pl: if you can provide me by pm a definition of good drama or a trusted source that explains it, I'd appreciate it.

[Pringles]

Why lock? Because it's a kind of a report and must be taken seriously, some people are just mocking because Bess made this topic, if it was an ''oldies'' as some call them selfs then it'd have been considered. Seriously just let the staff take in charge stuff like that.
Pl: if you can provide me by pm a definition of good drama or a trusted source that explains it, I'd appreciate it.

Did you even read his topic? Did you even understand his message? He isn't reporting anything since this wasn't posted in the report section nor in the suggestions/feedback section.

He basically posted this topic in the Ambrosian discussions board. If his intentions made sense and his message was well formulated, then I would have kept it in that board since I would have been pretty sure that his post would have not created any drama. However, most of his sentences are provocations and in order to give some strength to his message, he took the decision to use tons of inappropriate words just to show a bit of dominance and that's why I took the decision to move it directly to the Drama Corner since I know, by experience, that this kind of topics end up causing drama and are locked when the drama reaches a certain point. And trust me, as long as I'm/we are here, this kind of posts will be directly moved to this corner whether its poster agrees or not. And @Rawrplus, this may seem a bit harsh but at least, if the posters get ridiculed by dank memes or whatsoever, they will make an effort the next time they express themselves in this forum and will avoid creating unnecessary drama topics like this one in the future so it's somehow a better system than warnings and mutes (even if it has its negative side effects).

So let's keep going on. He also brought some past issues that happened ages ago in order to prove a point that doesn't make sense anymore (seriously, are we really being unfair?) but if you really want me to let you know what happened then I'll explain if that's really what you want. So, this guy that you are defending so hard basically made a suggestion in the JB corner to give FDs after a prisoner wins a LR (WHICH WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE RULES). But the thing is that he made this suggestion only because he was given a FD during a general FD (because of Jake, but I'll explain later) and he wanted an other FD the round after. Basically, he won LR the round before Jake joined the server. When Jake joined the server, he went directly to the CT team since I was alone and he started a FD for all (yeah, when someone goes to the CT team, it's always a FD for all apparently) so his personal FD was somehow unnecessary since everyone had a FD. However, I still gave him a personal FD and gave him the opportunity to keep it after 4:00, but despite of this, he took the decision to go to the gunroom and to get himself killed AND in addition to that, he wanted a FD the round after for NO REASON, only because he wanted to be the special snowflake in the server for 1 round but since everyone had a FD, his wish wasn't granted and therefore, he was butthurt and took the decision to start drama in the JB suggestions topic.  But I didn't remove his freedom of speech of course. I gave him the permission to discuss about it in the JB suggestions topic, but the discussion led to a point in which it didn't make sense anymore to keep arguing about something that didn't make sense since the start. So I just told him to stop arguing and to wait for Popay but he kept arguing (butthurts are stubborn) and that's why I deleted the replies that he made after my "don't post and wait for Popay" post.

However, this happened in .eu like in NOVEMBER? So seriously, do you really believe that his topic makes sense only because he brought a past issue that wasn't even caused by my side but by himself, only because he took the decision to start drama about something that isn't that much important after all and that wasn't even caused by my side?

Instead of defending him without even understanding his message nor his intentions, how about you just skip this message and show your uselessness somewhere else?

The thing is that he still doesn't understand what's happening around here. In .eu we used to be more strict because as @'PL' said, the Head Forum Moderator (HFM) was strict and imposed us somehow his mentality (not consciously of course but well). However, now the HFM left and we are technically the ones who are responsible for our actions since no other staff member has the "right" to moderate the whole forum a part from us and management in case you didn't know (some have the power but not the right), so instead of keeping the same mentality than in .eu, @Eros wants us to be more lenient so we don't take all the hate by people like you who don't simply understand what's going on and take the decision to defend people without even understanding what they are saying.

[Burzum]

idk if in this new .com forum things will change, but i must agree with Bess about unfair warnings. i saw A LOT of spam and useless replies from highstaff (FM included), and no1 got warned for that. at least in .eu forum

last i remember was a leaving post from Kolos. ppl trolling him and messing non stop, flooding it with useless spam. after he replied he was not leaving, FM instead of lock the topic, were spamming more  bs there. even i replied something like "instead of spam more this useless topic, u could lock and move it", quoting a FM reply (dont remember who was the FM, and topic is lost due to database move i guess)

[Pringles]

idk if in this new .com forum things will change, but i must agree with Bess about unfair warnings. i saw A LOT of spam and useless replies from highstaff (FM included), and no1 got warned for that. at least in .eu forum

last i remember was a leaving post from Kolos. ppl trolling him and messing non stop, flooding it with useless spam. after he replied he was not leaving, FM instead of lock the topic, were spamming more  bs there. even i replied something like "instead of spam more this useless topic, u could lock and move it", quoting a FM reply (dont remember who was the FM, and topic is lost due to database move i guess)

This was in .eu and we were already aware that all the topics and posts made after March wouldn't be kept so we just let it be.

And if you have a problem with any of the current staff members (FM, etc.) then feel free to report them in the Staff Corner because supporting drama topics like this one won't lead you anywhere.

[Burzum]

This was in .eu and we were already aware that all the topics and posts made after March wouldn't be kept so we just let it be.

And if you have a problem with any of the current staff members (FM, etc.) then feel free to report them in the Staff Corner because supporting drama topics like this one won't lead you anywhere.

if i got a problem with some high staff i will tell him(as i  did in that topic about Kolos leaving, that i posted above). the same goes if some1 has a problem with me, i would like to know

just 1 last,coz i already explaned my opinion: if im supporting a "drama topic" is coz a FM moved the topic to  this section, instead of move it to Suggestions board, or to Staff Complain board, or simply, let it stay in Discussion board

[Pringles]

if i got a problem with some high staff i will tell him(as i  did in that topic about Kolos leaving, that i posted above). the same goes if some1 has a problem with me, i would like to know

just 1 last,coz i already explaned my opinion: if im supporting a "drama topic" is coz a FM moved the topic to  this section, instead of move it to Suggestions board, or to Staff Complain board, or simply, let it stay in Discussion board

Oh, because you'd rather want us to lock/trash/delete any topic that is just some pure non-sense drama like we used to do in the past? Let me keep you in mind that I have already expressed myself in a much better way than Bess regarding some flaws in the past (like in October 2015?) and my topics have always ended up being trashed (examples : my topic about black star's CT ban, my "drama" topic about RoN and Popay that wasn't even 30% as dramatic as this one).

If you still believe that this topic has its place in the discussions corner then could you please explain why my topics have always ended up being trashed despite the fact that I have taken ages to make them in order to avoid any conflict?

You already know that this topic would have been trashed ages ago if we kept the same system as in .eu so instead of criticising this system only because it has some flaws that are not even comparable to the flaws that the old system had, how about you open your eyes and rather judge this system for its whole particularities and not only for its negative oens? At least you are granted a freedom of speech that was most of the time an illusion in .eu even if of course, you are still being judged and criticised by others in public since the freedom of speech is not an illusion anymore (dank memes, random shit posts, etc.).

But yeah, I haven't moved this topic only to venge myself because of what happened in the past. I have already given all of the reasons in my previous posts so instead of trying to defend this shitpost that doesn't make sense at all after all, how about you read all of the previous posts (including mine) and try to contradict the arguments that were provided within them?

Spoiler: Like in this one (hover to show)

Did you even read his topic? Did you even understand his message? He isn't reporting anything since this wasn't posted in the report section nor in the suggestions/feedback section.

He basically posted this topic in the Ambrosian discussions board. If his intentions made sense and his message was well formulated, then I would have kept it in that board since I would have been pretty sure that his post would have not created any drama. However, most of his sentences are provocations and in order to give some strength to his message, he took the decision to use tons of inappropriate words just to show a bit of dominance and that's why I took the decision to move it directly to the Drama Corner since I know, by experience, that this kind of topics end up causing drama and are locked when the drama reaches a certain point. And trust me, as long as I'm/we are here, this kind of posts will be directly moved to this corner whether its poster agrees or not. And @Rawrplus, this may seem a bit harsh but at least, if the posters get ridiculed by dank memes or whatsoever, they will make an effort the next time they express themselves in this forum and will avoid creating unnecessary drama topics like this one in the future so it's somehow a better system than warnings and mutes (even if it has its negative side effects).

So let's keep going on. He also brought some past issues that happened ages ago in order to prove a point that doesn't make sense anymore (seriously, are we really being unfair?) but if you really want me to let you know what happened then I'll explain if that's really what you want. So, this guy that you are defending so hard basically made a suggestion in the JB corner to give FDs after a prisoner wins a LR (WHICH WAS ALREADY WRITTEN IN THE RULES). But the thing is that he made this suggestion only because he was given a FD during a general FD (because of Jake, but I'll explain later) and he wanted an other FD the round after. Basically, he won LR the round before Jake joined the server. When Jake joined the server, he went directly to the CT team since I was alone and he started a FD for all (yeah, when someone goes to the CT team, it's always a FD for all apparently) so his personal FD was somehow unnecessary since everyone had a FD. However, I still gave him a personal FD and gave him the opportunity to keep it after 4:00, but despite of this, he took the decision to go to the gunroom and to get himself killed AND in addition to that, he wanted a FD the round after for NO REASON, only because he wanted to be the special snowflake in the server for 1 round but since everyone had a FD, his wish wasn't granted and therefore, he was butthurt and took the decision to start drama in the JB suggestions topic.  But I didn't remove his freedom of speech of course. I gave him the permission to discuss about it in the JB suggestions topic, but the discussion led to a point in which it didn't make sense anymore to keep arguing about something that didn't make sense since the start. So I just told him to stop arguing and to wait for Popay but he kept arguing (butthurts are stubborn) and that's why I deleted the replies that he made after my "don't post and wait for Popay" post.

However, this happened in .eu like in NOVEMBER? So seriously, do you really believe that his topic makes sense only because he brought a past issue that wasn't even caused by my side but by himself, only because he took the decision to start drama about something that isn't that much important after all and that wasn't even caused by my side?

Instead of defending him without even understanding his message nor his intentions, how about you just skip this message and show your uselessness somewhere else?

The thing is that he still doesn't understand what's happening around here. In .eu we used to be more strict because as @'PL' said, the Head Forum Moderator (HFM) was strict and imposed us somehow his mentality (not consciously of course but well). However, now the HFM left and we are technically the ones who are responsible for our actions since no other staff member has the "right" to moderate the whole forum a part from us and management in case you didn't know (some have the power but not the right), so instead of keeping the same mentality than in .eu, @Eros wants us to be more lenient so we don't take all the hate by people like you who don't simply understand what's going on and take the decision to defend people without even understanding what they are saying.

[Rawrplus]

Oh, because you'd rather want us to lock/trash/delete any topic that is just some pure non-sense drama like we used to do in the past? Let me keep you in mind that I have already expressed myself in a much better way than Bess regarding some flaws in the past (like in October 2015?) and my topics have always ended up being trashed (examples : my topic about black star's CT ban, my "drama" topic about RoN and Popay that wasn't even 30% as dramatic as this one).

If you still believe that this topic has its place in the discussions corner then could you please explain why my topics have always ended up being trashed despite the fact that I have taken ages to make them in order to avoid any conflict?

You already know that this topic would have been trashed ages ago if we kept the same system as in .eu so instead of criticising this system only because it has some flaws that are not even comparable to the flaws that the old system had, how about you open your eyes and rather judge this system for its whole particularities and not only for its negative oens? At least you are granted a freedom of speech that was most of the time an illusion in .eu even if of course, you are still being judged and criticised by others in public since the freedom of speech is not an illusion anymore (dank memes, random shit posts, etc.).

But yeah, I haven't moved this topic only to venge myself because of what happened in the past. I have already given all of the reasons in my previous posts so instead of trying to defend this shitpost that doesn't make sense at all after all, how about you read all of the previous posts (including mine) and try to contradict the arguments that were provided within them?

Spoiler: Like in this one (hover to show)

I think you're under illusion that people here are for your heads, when literally the only point we're trying to get accross is how the system behind Drama Corner is a stupid idea lol.

EDIT: Also wtf are you talking about? No way the topic would have been trashed in old .eu forums. Literally all discussion that was posted in Ambrosia General and Report a Staff section stayed there lol.

['PL']

I think you're under illusion that people here are for your heads, when literally the only point we're trying to get accross is how the system behind Drama Corner is a stupid idea lol.

EDIT: Also wtf are you talking about? No way the topic would have been trashed in old .eu forums. Literally all discussion that was posted in Ambrosia General and Report a Staff section stayed there lol.

Be honest about the entirety of 2015 when you had hydra community and the first signs from other people than thend questioning emperor team. I was maybe for 4-5 months forum moderator and I noticed some shady trashed topics for very unclear reasons.

I remember there were with ripball, alputo, jake, spaff...