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Offline a[Y]mEn -,-

sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« on: June 18, 2015, 04:54:12 am »
Admin: buck
Server: jailbreak
Date & Time: few days ago
Complaint: abusing admin rights
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):

http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=3014992015061000001.jpg
http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/5469022015061000002.jpg
http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=3879582015061000003.jpg
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http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=4706082015061600004.jpg
http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5951772015061600005.jpg


edit: new evidences for abusing admin rights added.

http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=5504842015061700012.jpg
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http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=3074852015061700006.jpg
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http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=9663892015061700008.jpg
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« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 09:45:24 pm by a[Y]mEn^ »

Offline D00M

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 05:13:20 am »
just the pics wont be enough as the reason could be many, just showing the slaps etc. doesn't tell the whole story. Would go to denied if I were the one handling this case.

Offline a[Y]mEn -,-

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 05:16:24 am »
just the pics wont be enough as the reason could be many, just showing the slaps etc. doesn't tell the whole story. Would go to denied if I were the one handling this case.

come on, we all knew that he abuse admin rights all the time but no one wants to report,   so?

I do.

and ur supporting him cuz hes ur friend ...

#Justice bliz.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 05:19:05 am by a[Y]mEn^ »

Offline -FROSTY-

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 05:27:02 am »
Admin duty is not only to ban hackers or gag people. But also to make server fun as possible using his powers without breaking rules. I am pretty sure nobody in the server has anything against buck. Whenever he is in the server i have to say he creates a fun environment in the server and makes the server enjoyable both as ct and as an admin. He do uses his powers excessively but never abuse on someone which could piss someone off.

Offline a[Y]mEn -,-

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 05:30:15 am »
Admin duty is not only to ban hackers or gag people. But also to make server fun as possible using his powers without breaking rules. I am pretty sure nobody in the server has anything against buck. Whenever he is in the server i have to say he creates a fun environment in the server and makes the server enjoyable both as ct and as an admin. He do uses his powers excessively but never abuse on someone which could piss someone off.

well , he pissed me off alot today .. and few days ago too !  and odnt say hes doing fun


that calls abusing ! and thats so freeking annoying ...

PS : i do not have any thing against him. we're fine but he gotta be more carfull from what hes doing

« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 05:32:28 am by a[Y]mEn^ »

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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 08:51:42 am »
Isnt it easier to just make a demo?
U know this stuff happens but just seeing the slaps etc it really throws it out of context.


Never the less.
I still don't get the point of people they use as in: Using admin rights creates a fun atmosphere.
It's non sense. Like a admin couldnt do this before he was a admin. Making fun and having fun.
Rights arent needed to do this right?

Admin rights in my opinion are only needed for admin duties. And not to have fun. Ofcourse u can so now and then use it for fun facts like i did in dd2 using amx_psay to get everyone to knife people like ezza when they were in the server. But this doesn't mean i will smack the crap out of people.


Would a admin be completely lost without the rights to slap, burry or whatever command? No. they will be still able to have fun.
I really believe if u just remove everything except kick/ban the fun wouldn't be less at all. Maybe even more fun since a admin or whatever has to try harder to make the fun. Isn't that really the point of playing JB after all?

Not to forget, a normal player do not have this right. They can't use things to create this so called "fun".

This is just my opinion. U can not agree with it. I'm fine with it. U can also say u don't play JB. Which is a lie because i used to play JB so now and then back in the CC and Tony time and yes i also was a CT.

Offline CoiNNN

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 09:06:49 am »
You can still check logs to see what happened to ... Unless EVERYTHING was said on the mic.



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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2015, 09:13:07 am »
Isnt it easier to just make a demo?
U know this stuff happens but just seeing the slaps etc it really throws it out of context.


Never the less.
I still don't get the point of people they use as in: Using admin rights creates a fun atmosphere.
It's non sense. Like a admin couldnt do this before he was a admin. Making fun and having fun.
Rights arent needed to do this right?

Admin rights in my opinion are only needed for admin duties. And not to have fun. Ofcourse u can so now and then use it for fun facts like i did in dd2 using amx_psay to get everyone to knife people like ezza when they were in the server. But this doesn't mean i will smack the crap out of people.


Would a admin be completely lost without the rights to slap, burry or whatever command? No. they will be still able to have fun.
I really believe if u just remove everything except kick/ban the fun wouldn't be less at all. Maybe even more fun since a admin or whatever has to try harder to make the fun. Isn't that really the point of playing JB after all?

Not to forget, a normal player do not have this right. They can't use things to create this so called "fun".

This is just my opinion. U can not agree with it. I'm fine with it. U can also say u don't play JB. Which is a lie because i used to play JB so now and then back in the CC and Tony time and yes i also was a CT.
Some admins fail to be fair while using their admin rights to make the server fun which usually leads to reports like this.
And some admins just make the server fun and sometimes some people who "hate" them just report them for abusing.
I don't see anyone getting hurt from those screenshots so i don't think you got a good case there :/

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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2015, 09:15:26 am »
Isnt it easier to just make a demo?
U know this stuff happens but just seeing the slaps etc it really throws it out of context.


Never the less.
I still don't get the point of people they use as in: Using admin rights creates a fun atmosphere.
It's non sense. Like a admin couldnt do this before he was a admin. Making fun and having fun.
Rights arent needed to do this right?

Admin rights in my opinion are only needed for admin duties. And not to have fun. Ofcourse u can so now and then use it for fun facts like i did in dd2 using amx_psay to get everyone to knife people like ezza when they were in the server. But this doesn't mean i will smack the crap out of people.


Would a admin be completely lost without the rights to slap, burry or whatever command? No. they will be still able to have fun.
I really believe if u just remove everything except kick/ban the fun wouldn't be less at all. Maybe even more fun since a admin or whatever has to try harder to make the fun. Isn't that really the point of playing JB after all?

Not to forget, a normal player do not have this right. They can't use things to create this so called "fun".

This is just my opinion. U can not agree with it. I'm fine with it. U can also say u don't play JB. Which is a lie because i used to play JB so now and then back in the CC and Tony time and yes i also was a CT.
Some admins fail to be fair while using their admin rights to make the server fun which usually leads to reports like this.
And some admins just make the server fun and sometimes some people who "hate" them just report them for abusing.
I don't see anyone getting hurt from those screenshots so i don't think you got a good case there :/

Ray be realistic. Do u need rights to make fun in JB? Simple answer. Yes or no.

Like i said. U dont need it to make fun. Simple as that.

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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2015, 09:18:40 am »
Isnt it easier to just make a demo?
U know this stuff happens but just seeing the slaps etc it really throws it out of context.


Never the less.
I still don't get the point of people they use as in: Using admin rights creates a fun atmosphere.
It's non sense. Like a admin couldnt do this before he was a admin. Making fun and having fun.
Rights arent needed to do this right?

Admin rights in my opinion are only needed for admin duties. And not to have fun. Ofcourse u can so now and then use it for fun facts like i did in dd2 using amx_psay to get everyone to knife people like ezza when they were in the server. But this doesn't mean i will smack the crap out of people.


Would a admin be completely lost without the rights to slap, burry or whatever command? No. they will be still able to have fun.
I really believe if u just remove everything except kick/ban the fun wouldn't be less at all. Maybe even more fun since a admin or whatever has to try harder to make the fun. Isn't that really the point of playing JB after all?

Not to forget, a normal player do not have this right. They can't use things to create this so called "fun".

This is just my opinion. U can not agree with it. I'm fine with it. U can also say u don't play JB. Which is a lie because i used to play JB so now and then back in the CC and Tony time and yes i also was a CT.
Some admins fail to be fair while using their admin rights to make the server fun which usually leads to reports like this.
And some admins just make the server fun and sometimes some people who "hate" them just report them for abusing.
I don't see anyone getting hurt from those screenshots so i don't think you got a good case there :/

Ray be realistic. Do u need rights to make fun in JB? Simple answer. Yes or no.

Like i said. U dont need it to make fun. Simple as that.
If i'm CT, no.
If the CTs are boring and you need to enlighten the server, Yes.

Offline ~RoN

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2015, 10:32:16 am »
Hey,

@DonTodo # : did you  really forgot what we have done in server with our admin rights in that time. We have done worst then slapping or gagging i do agree with you this is not they way to have fun, but sometimes there are so boring CTs that the admins need to enlight the server and when one of admins does this everybody in server gets excited from what i have seen. Buck is doing sometimes fun things even without admin rights. Me my self i would have told him just not to do it everytime but i would have never go into removing his rights since he his a great admin.

Me card tony sami we have used all the amxmodmenu in 1 round before and people sometime enjoy this now if 1 guy out of 22 people in server gets annoyed then he simply needs to leave the server because the 22 others had fun. But now obviously everybody has a diffferent view on this. But the jb today and the jb we played before its not really the same. Because now this days people are getting very quick upset everyday i am seeing silly reports og he slapped me oh he did that. What i see mostly in jb server now is that people threath admins of being reported for everything they do. Just go if you can through the logs and you will understand.

And aymen if you really got upset why didn't you ask the admin to stop doing that on you?

This is my opinion after all.
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« Last Edit: June 18, 2015, 10:42:54 am by ~RoN »
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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2015, 10:42:15 am »
i don't undrestand aymen did he abuse on you did people who he abused on complain ? no offence but the report is kinda useless also he could be slapping afks,delayers ect...

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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2015, 10:52:14 am »
It's all about limits...

Offline 'PL'

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2015, 11:38:24 am »
Hello there,

I'll be stepping on this topic, however I judge buck's actions as not "ambrosia-like"

First and Foremost, the command slap use is to physically "activate" the player in question that is conducting something of mediocre trouble or a minor argument that tends to be negative in which slap is used by the administrator to show his lack of "communicative" co-relation with that player. At some points this is justified and coherent if the player is showing obvious unwillingness to follow the administrator's orders.
For example, the player doesn't stop camping and is intentionally exploiting a "laming" situation, slaps are in that circumstance justified to a point where other commands that give that player a handicap can be used.
In any situation what happened as the screenshots are presented buck was "overusing" the command slap which is not in confirmation of administrator activity. There is no time period where slap was considered "fun", it always was a synonym that some administrator couldn't provide a answer to question in which typing amx_slap is easier than engage in long arguments and convictions of who knows what sort. And to this day, other than if a player is "laming", slap is quite unused nowadays, should stay like that.

Secondly, I'd like to contradict what ray says that using administrator commands generate fun. Fun comes from creativity, where people combine and invent new rulesets of games that bring exotic experiences for the players. On special days, administrators are only then allowed to try their shot at creativity with the disposal of administrator commands. But slapping somebody for no reason, isn't much fun for anybody. The only time this can be "fun" is when 5-7 people are on the server in which the collective want to do something else than listen to commands and orders. In those times you are unofficially allowed to do what ever you want with your administrator powers but make sure everybody is in with agreement with your actions.

I'd mention the same thing that happen with Shiro just said "gods don't exist", and got spanked hard by those copypaste comments. Did somebody on the server was hurt when he said that, NOPE! Double standards as Rawr says...

Once a famous mcain said: SpecialDays are days where everybody is on a brake from the rebelling and commanding, it's not the day where you have fun.

Now talking about dontodo where he says commands should be just the simplest amx commands is something I don't agree. Even since ambrosia had a jailbreak, amx_super was a must because administrators could invent and make really good combinations of administrator commands to call it a new special day, or a normal cage day and etc. It's quite old fashioned of me, but I would like the amx_super to be reverted back and just add the special day menu from tony's plug. Nothing is much needed from tony's plugin which is just automated what administrators do and make. I agree that fun should come out from a ct's brain and not some fancy administrator commands, but there is always something you can use from those commands and call it a "thing" It's most encouraged to make and create new things so people don't leave from boredom.

I see that you are blaming a "interlooper", that the probability of one person being a the radiator of negativity and intends to make others unhappy. But why expose yourself to the little thing called "visual and acoustic evidence", you can still have fun in other ways than slapping people. And I do mean a lot of other ways if you are so into using commands for no reason. To this year, people always founded workarounds the rules that depict them as good "lawyers" :D

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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2015, 12:05:47 pm »
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we all knew that he abuse admin rights all the time but no one wants to report,

Who is that "we"?

Furthermore, as I see from your pictures, players complained about you having a Bad mic so I guess you didn't listen to Buck and got Gagged.
And those slaps can be from a special day meant for people who camp.

Let's read his part of the story.

Offline WILLIE

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2015, 12:09:32 pm »
just the pics wont be enough as the reason could be many, just showing the slaps etc. doesn't tell the whole story. Would go to denied if I were the one handling this case.

come on, we all knew that he abuse admin rights all the time but no one wants to report,   so?

I do.

and ur supporting him cuz hes ur friend ...

#Justice bliz.

people didnt complain unlike you, because they dont see it as so called abusive as you do, these screenshots cannot tell us the story behind what's done, i dont think Buck should be judged by them at all.

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Offline Andrew`

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2015, 01:03:50 pm »
Under no circumstance abusing rights is accepted, not even to "make the game funny", as ToDo said, admin duties are to get the server in order. I have warned everyone many times, I don't wanna restrict all rights except for the kick/ban command, admins have rights to bring justice, not use their rights on others for "fun".

However, we still need to hear BucKK's side of story, those screenshots cannot totally prove he did those actions for no reason.

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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2015, 01:09:24 pm »
first of all I'm sure that BucKK would never abuse the gag command on someone, simply because we use it to  stop people from fighting,swearing... so you obviously did something (and I think he gagged you because you went in a fight with pig).

and about the slap I'm sure BucKK never abused the slap command on me or on someone else unless to warn a player about something (and on the screenshot when he slapped me it was when I was camping on a SD)

so yeah I would never support this report.

Offline a[Y]mEn -,-

Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2015, 02:34:10 pm »
so you obviously did something (and I think he gagged you because you went in a fight with pig).


No. it wasne't that, it wasent even the same day so --> ''No''

he did nothing for that and i didnt fight pig , he were fighting me , i was just ignoring him

get in point.

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Re: sorry "BucKK" but i have to do it ...
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2015, 02:57:33 pm »
Oki
Well when I was admin I was using the slap command for fun but only to ppl I knew that they wont get upset or anythin else , if they were getting annoyed they just pm me to stop and I stopped.
Now if they were breaking rules I was slapping them 5-7 times in a row to move from camp zones
Now when it comes to jb , CC used to do many abusing things towards me I was fine but there's a limit and I got annoyed so I pm him and told him to stop he did but he was doin some tricks back then but it was all cool
So aymen don't get upset so fast
And buckk use ur rights to ppl you know they wont get upset or else ull get many reports from many kids!!
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