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Offline Ezzα

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« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2011, 11:43:50 am »
Zwiggy i understand your post and value your opinion on here since this is a discussion your free to post how you feel . However, i do disagree with you on the demotion of Tasha in the higher boards. How can you expect me to agree to the demotion of Tasha when there was no evidence supplied to support this?? I have seen admins abuse more yet nothing is every mentioned on the higherboards so why should Tasha be singled out for this treatment? In all previous occassions all admins were demoted with evidence being the unique contributor to say "You were demoted for abusing, heres the demo". I posted on the higherboards that i would have no problem with the demotion if someone gave me something to work with but this was never brought forward? If i had removed any random admin within this community without any demo then i would definately expect a backlash from that admin and quite rightly so too.

Yes Tasha is hated for recording other admins but lets face it, if admins abuse there rights then they are quite rightly to be punished. Furthermore, alot of the members on this community also user Tasha as a channel to report admins which A) Makes her unpopular and hate and B) Lets the member stay friends with the admin in question. Infact alot of the members actually DO like Tasha but you always get the haters who she reported that cause alot of drama here and on the server.

If you agree that Shark and Tasha were both wrong to flame one another on Steam chat then sure its only common sense that this shouldnt have been made personal onto her demotion and Sammi's ban. Yes Shark has come clean and known he was wrong to flame but this still doesnt mean that Tasha or Sammi should be punished for things that had happen outside Ambrosia forums/servers. Take for example, i flamed at any admin on this community through steam chat then removed his admin and banned him then surely this would be very unfair..............? Shark mentioned on Altamos post regarding the HLTV where he openly flamed at people and his response was that he didnt care about any flame outside Ambrosia so why is this conversation being brought into Ambrosia? How is this different from the actions of Altamos? (Altamos ths isnt a personal dig at you but just an example of whats happened). Im not defending Tasha to be re-instated for admin since she has already said that she doesnt want to be admin but to ban and moderate them both on forum is not right.

Offline Arne

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« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2011, 12:52:57 pm »
tbh, i think that we need to get rid of the "no proof" issue. Players always need to have proof to get someone demoted, but staff doesnt. If a staff doesnt like anyone, for whatever reason, then they're free to remove them simply. We had it before, we discussed it before and it solved problems before.

There are thousands of players that show a nice face to "us", and show a awefull face to other players. We know that they do that, and we should simply get rid of them.

(This is not specifically referred to Tasha, Sammi and Shark)
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Offline Ezzα

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« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2011, 02:14:48 pm »
Well this was always the rules up until now so i still do not understand why Tasha should be demoted...............! If you want to demote someone then evidence is always key "Your innocent until proven" I dont agree with you on the staff dislike matter though, this could lead to some serious abuse and its certainly not the way it should be done around here. If you take this Tasha for instance say a admin abuses or makes a sexual remark to her, she should put up with this just to keep her admin?
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« Reply #63 on: November 03, 2011, 03:10:55 pm »
Well Arne, tbh thats not a reason enough to demote or ban someone. Tho, what you did say about showing different faces, thats true. And atm, many people dislike tasha and sammi, why would we keep them if they disturb community? Pretty sure they both dont care about this anymore. So why keep fighting for?

Offline Arne

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« Reply #64 on: November 03, 2011, 03:28:21 pm »
Well, we had it before and i wont call any names. But i asked to get rid of someone, and some disagreed. Though it ended in a serious fight with some leavers and on the end i was right and the player got banned :).
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Offline ZwiGGy

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« Reply #65 on: November 03, 2011, 08:24:30 pm »
I agree with Arne, proof is strictly required from normal players and admins cos otherwise people would abuse as you rightly say Ezza.

High staff are meant to be trusted members of the community, hence their position. There is an unspoken code of respect between high staff which should be followed. This means if i tell you someone did something, you should take that as truth unless i am disproven, not the other way around. If you don't trust me there's no point of me holding this position. The only reason you are so reluctant to believe and accept criticism we make of Tasha which doesn't have evidence is because of your relation to her. As i said, almost everyone in high staff discussions agreed she needed to be demoted. i made quite a clear post which gave reasons why: Bullying other players/admins. bullying in this case does not mean tasha going around swearing on ambrosia servers, it means being a constant smartass by doing things like harassing admins when she is playing under different names, pressurising them, threatening them and generally creating an uneasy playing environment. This is all bullying, and nobody is going to record this or have proof of this. proof enough should be the fact that we are all telling you this is what she does!!!

Another important thing you have to realise is that this is not simply a matter of this fight between Shark and Tasha where both were wrong. This is something which has been slowly building and growing for many months now, where she has somehow managed to turn almost everyone against her. There is no one event we have evidence of which is worthy of demoting someone. Its the culmination of events and her general attitude which has led to this situation, which is why she should not be an admin. She even admitted to flaming Cersei. That alone warrants a demote given all that has happened!

Going back to the shark incident though. Ezza maybe you have been lucky enough to always have a nice boss, but you of all people, being fairly senior here, should know that in the real world, more often than not, your boss may be a complete prick and will disrespect you, patronise you etc. If you have ANY, and i mean ANY sense at all, you would NEVER EVER behave the same way back to your boss, irrelevant of if he is wrong or right, and if you are stupid enough to do so, you have to face the music and the consequences should there be any. So crying now that "oh shark shouldn't have acted like this" is truly fruitless.

The difference between her and Altamos is Altamos flamed to people who are not in ambrosia, the only person who was pissed off by it is Tasha. Tasha flames to people in this community via steam chat, clan wars and other methods which are not officially ambrosia. If it happens once or twice or between two people who just don't get on let it slide because its not on ambrosia, but thats not the case with Tasha. she does it to everyone just for kicks. Ezza both me and you have seen and heard her rage. she goes mad all the time for the smallest things. She just can't vent her anger properly. Once again, common sense needs to be applied to situations like this.

PS. Tasha has been accusing me of not being honest and open since my last post so now i will be.
I did break rules when i played Basebuilder for about 2 weeks in August. This included shooting other bases and fixing/adjusting my base after building time and occasionally being AFK. I admit i was wrong to do this and i will happily never play on BB again or take any other punishment if one is deemed to be deserved for those actions. The biggest mistake i made though was allowing Tasha to get away with even worse offenses, including almost never attacking on BB, ghosting on jailbreak, and bullying other players/admins. Ezza both me and you know how much Tasha is constantly raging, and often expresses that by venting it on other players/admins who more often than not made an honest mistake.

At the end of the day, an admin is someone who leads by example, is honest, open, respectful and not two faced. She has none of those qualities and hence should not be an admin. If she wants to continue playing on the servers however, by all means she should.
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Offline SharkX69

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« Reply #66 on: November 03, 2011, 08:56:21 pm »
I would like to say few things too but ZwiGGy have covered me in every way with his posts. I dont have anything else to add.

Offline Ezzα

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« Reply #67 on: November 03, 2011, 09:26:26 pm »
Yes my job here is too look after Ambrosia just because Shark is the owner here doesnt neccessarily mean i have to agree with his opinion. Im sorry as you say in the real world there are many different types of people, one who just takes in on the chin and get on with it or the others who voice there opinion. If i feel the situation is wrong then i will speak out like this post. Also, im not quite sure why you keep on mentioning the demotion..............? This discussion isnt to reinstate Tasha's admin, it was never my objective for this to happen. My arguement is that Tasha was moderated and sammi banned from this flaming incident. This is why im speaking up for them.................surely the demotion was already enough for something that was started by both parties and then got out of hand???

"High staff are meant to be trusted members of the community, hence their position" yes this is normally the case but what happens if there opinions are biased? How you can openly say that "She even admitted to flaming Cersei. That alone warrants a demote given all that has happened!" So how about yourself Zwiggy? I know of other admins who have flamed on steam and other communities so does this mean i will have to start demoting them too? Its kinda comical how some people naturally believe that Tasha / Sammi are always at fault for rule breaking. This happened again today where some players were pretending to be them so people start flaming again when they are not even on the server. However, many are quick to judge them as rule breaking but not one questioned if it was actually them?

I concur to Shark that im happy to resign my position if he feels that my opinion is not right there would be no hard feelings. I respect him and see him as a friend with our friendly banter but my opinion will not change. I dont understand how its naturally ok to start bending the rules just because the reports are based on these 2 girls. The demotion handed to Tasha was fair in my opinion but certainly do not agree with her being moderated and sammi banned on forum.

Offline ZwiGGy

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« Reply #68 on: November 03, 2011, 10:42:31 pm »
well demotion was well overdue anyway. THis Shark incident is just a turning point for me where I feel its gone too far and something needs to be said.

i guess i haven't been updated with what has been happening and assumed Tasha was demoted for the Shark incident. If thats not the case and you finally agree with her being demoted then thats good we have made some progress!

I don't know why you took my boss analogy to be directed to you. I merely said you should understand my point, which means irrelevant of an employee's opinion of his/her boss (note i never said you should agree or disagree with shark - that doesn't matter) you should never speak disrespectfully to your boss (even if he does to you), cos at the end of the day he has the power to do what he likes. If you don't like it - leave. By this im referring to Tasha, not you, since you are an emperor as well (albeit its not your community).

with regards to sammi, i dont care, but lets be honest, her only role in this community has been acting as tasha's parrot > blindly flaming and insulting people tasha dislikes (everyone).

and your remark about having to demote all other admins is going a bit far...quite clearly Tasha's case is a unique one as i have explained.
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Offline ~RoN

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« Reply #69 on: June 01, 2012, 01:08:36 pm »
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