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Title: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Ed on January 06, 2017, 11:16:12 pm
Hey there,

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I am sure that you have noticed a bit of a change in the forum. We have separated the game content and given each mainly supported game a page of their own. I hope you will like the change, if not well, the main reason we are doing this is because we cannot possibly have all the boards and games we are planning on opening and are under development to be in one page, it gets too crowded. Main things are still going to be in the forum which you can access any time by clicking the home icon at the top next to the other game buttons.

This is a change on expansion and this is going to be the first bigger thing in 2017. We are still working on it as there is lots to do to smooth it out, make it look good/better and understanding what categories/boards we want to do in each game page. IT is a new thing so we are still wondering what we can do and how things will work out. Also there is room for new ideas and the way we are doing things, like admin applications, unban requests. Should we move each to corresponding game mode or keep it in the main forum page. These are the type of questions we are asking and wondering, but we will see.

Most importantly if you have ideas and other things please post them here as it is pretty new for us and only together we can make it the most user friendly and awesome as it should be.


(Credits to @Red Wolf) Also if you want to add notes on what can you do and how things have changed, please do here Red wolf, like recent unread replies etc.
Kind regards,
Ambrosia Management!
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: PaPa sTeVe on January 07, 2017, 06:26:01 am
Nice idea, and yes it will be better to move admin applications,unban requests for cs 1.6 to the cs 1.6 section btw i  hope that you will do some changes for the design of each section.. keep up the good work management :)
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on January 07, 2017, 08:05:52 am
gj :) looks good
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: Drunky on January 07, 2017, 11:51:21 am
This is better & i like it  :-X

But, can u change so we can access recent topics from any forum without it saying "the board you specified is located on a different forum"
would be better...
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: Sober-Guy on January 07, 2017, 11:51:38 am
Good job.
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: GandElf The Gay on January 07, 2017, 02:33:03 pm
too much empty space in the pages because of the page going all the way down from 'staff online' to 'birthdays' on the right and not enough boards to match them
dont think you need all those in each page
a fine job otherwise
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: Mister L on January 07, 2017, 03:38:44 pm
But, can u change so we can access recent topics from any forum without it saying "the board you specified is located on a different forum"
would be better...
i also agree with that. "Recent topics" should be shown for all sections, not separated.

but overall, good idea to separate the different sections.
keep on management, good work
greets L
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: Red Wolf on January 07, 2017, 03:52:41 pm
Yeah, due to the new mod, there are some incompatibilities with other functions, but most likely will be fixed.
Since its a new thing, and it was tested locally, now that its open to the public, more bugs occur, and we will try to fix them.
Post here any bug you encounter.
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: Darki on January 07, 2017, 04:47:02 pm
dont add the menu buttons up top, put them under server list  way better.

i find it pointless tho, add each game board as a child board on the game board so you'll have less boards, pointless to create new forum for each one of them
Title: Re: New* Subforms for each game mode!
Post by: Pringles on January 07, 2017, 05:03:57 pm
i find it pointless tho, add each game board as a child board on the game board so you'll have less boards, pointless to create new forum for each one of them

Exactly my thoughts. The forum is a pain in the ass to use how it is right now.

You can also leave them how they were in the past. We can collapse them easily that way and it only takes a few clicks. And you can even install/create a package that would make the categories of your choice collapsed by default so people wouldn't have to check every single category while browsing the forum index page.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Red Wolf on January 08, 2017, 02:46:05 am
Well, this is made to simplify the forum experience for other people, those who want to deal only with what they are interested in. This is ofc a MASSIVE change (visual and code wise), and it will take some time for me to fix some bugs, customize, and for users to get used to it. As it is now, Id say its a pain in the ass switching from one subforum to another just to check recent unread topics, but I hope im going to find a solution to that (thats my main priority atm).

Maybe it doesnt look the best now, but I believe that in a few weeks it will be much better than it is right now, making it a whole new experience. (And ofc if it turns out to be successful)
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Unreal on January 08, 2017, 11:08:45 am
I love it! It looks very modern and convenient.
Looking forward to see the rest!

Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: CoiNNN on January 08, 2017, 01:21:02 pm
Good idea :)

hope to see more updates
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: ѕнσcк on January 08, 2017, 03:17:08 pm
i disagree with the designs of the sub-menu, now forums has 3 menus which is bad, these things can be done in a simple way and really nice way aswell... but im not saying its a bad idea its a good idea but can be made much better and more simple.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: ~RoN on January 08, 2017, 03:22:03 pm
i disagree with the designs of the sub-menu, now forums has 3 menus which is bad, these things can be done in a simple way and really nice way aswell... but im not saying its a bad idea its a good idea but can be made much better and more simple.
as we said still in progresse its just that we wanted to make it public now so if there is any problem people would be able to suggest or report stuff. So its not finished its a beta start.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Red Wolf on January 09, 2017, 02:16:50 pm
Anyone having problems/issues with the subforum menubar
Spoiler (hover to show)
please send me a ss in pm or post it here.
Probably @Velaxers could help with that screenshot.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Rawrplus on January 09, 2017, 02:29:59 pm
Well, this is made to simplify the forum experience for other people, those who want to deal only with what they are interested in. This is ofc a MASSIVE change (visual and code wise), and it will take some time for me to fix some bugs, customize, and for users to get used to it. As it is now, Id say its a pain in the ass switching from one subforum to another just to check recent unread topics, but I hope im going to find a solution to that (thats my main priority atm).

Maybe it doesnt look the best now, but I believe that in a few weeks it will be much better than it is right now, making it a whole new experience. (And ofc if it turns out to be successful)
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I concur, this is not simplifying anything. Actually it makes it more confusing for people that each part has their own forums, creating confusion regarding whether it is standalone or integrated forum.
If you wanted to extend boards for specific games, sub-boards not only would make it less confusing, but also would make them more active.

I guarantee you 99%^of these boards will end up unused.
a) because switcihing between 4 (essentially 5 if acknowledging the main forum) is too much of a hassle
b) the forum is oversatured with boards
c) the sub-forums are not  visually represented well enough or intuitive enough for users to explore these sub-forums
d) Just... why?

All in all i feel like this is a bit of overthinking. There are currently not enough members to fill these boards nor is it visually, psychologically and all in all pleasing to use 4 subofrums inside of 1 forum which already is full of dead sub-boards.

EDIT/PS: Also from designer standpoint, please change the font - ideally implement a new typekit for the buttons and add a proper transition border around them. They look a bit out of place right now and the font doesn't fit the style you were going for.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Ed on January 09, 2017, 04:09:11 pm
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I concur, this is not simplifying anything. Actually it makes it more confusing for people that each part has their own forums, creating confusion regarding whether it is standalone or integrated forum.
If you wanted to extend boards for specific games, sub-boards not only would make it less confusing, but also would make them more active.

I guarantee you 99%^of these boards will end up unused.
a) because switcihing between 4 (essentially 5 if acknowledging the main forum) is too much of a hassle
b) the forum is oversatured with boards
c) the sub-forums are not  visually represented well enough or intuitive enough for users to explore these sub-forums
d) Just... why?

All in all i feel like this is a bit of overthinking. There are currently not enough members to fill these boards nor is it visually, psychologically and all in all pleasing to use 4 subofrums inside of 1 forum which already is full of dead sub-boards.

EDIT/PS: Also from designer standpoint, please change the font - ideally implement a new typekit for the buttons and add a proper transition border around them. They look a bit out of place right now and the font doesn't fit the style you were going for.

Currently no, it is not simplifying anything, of course not. I personally do not like the hassle either, so we are opt to make a change and probably look into a different style to accommodation the idea and be more user friendly and practicable at the same time.

About it's usefulness and dead boards, if we remove boards, there will be people requesting them back one way or another. Usefulness is to do with integration and expanding to different games with a more serious focus and approach. It will grow to be better. So from all what you said I only agree on the confusion it makes and that the subforums are not yet designed properly, which again is on to do list. The rest of what you said is complete nonsense and irrelevant to our goals. Also bigger picture please. We aim for each games audience to have a place of their own and if they get interested in other things we support then great, but again a lot of people are interested in only Minecraft and nothing else, so why should it all be under one big page? It's nonsense to even think that everything under one page can be done. Before it worked, it won't work in future therefore we are doing changes now.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: pwnst4r on January 09, 2017, 05:10:56 pm
Category: gaming
Board: League of Legends > subboards: admin applications, unban etc.
Board: Cs 1.6 >  subboards: admin applications, unban etc.
Board: CSGO >  subboards: admin applications, unban etc.

If you want to visit the CSGO board or "forum" you'll see "https://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?board=74.0" a page similar to this, and it is pretty much exactly the same as what you're trying to achieve right now.

If you wanted it to look visually appealing, you can hide the sub-board links on the index and then simply place an image the right size with html in the board title or description. User clicks CSGO they are redirected to the CSGO board which has all the sub-boards in it.

ps: try the prettyurls mod, it's neato :)

sorry if i sound like a twatknowitall :(

pss: my last and final edit. If you do end up going with this new look/style then just an idea, why not create a "news and updates" board for the game and create a RSS bot which will post in the board whenever the game is updated/news etc.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Maki on January 10, 2017, 05:49:58 am
Yep, I find the switch between each subforums and then back to the main forum pretty painful currently. I'm really not a fan and honestly, I like having an overview of the whole forum at once so I know what is active and what isn't and I can read what interests me.

Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: 'PL' on January 11, 2017, 01:04:17 am
Yep, I find the switch between each subforums and then back to the main forum pretty painful currently. I'm really not a fan and honestly, I like having an overview of the whole forum at once so I know what is active and what isn't and I can read what interests me.
Feeling the same here, going to each section to check unread threads while before one button gave me all the unread threads for the whole forum.
Maybe just have the recent unread topics hook to all the sections, than having each section use it's own sandboxed functions?(probably other functionalities are now sandboxed to their sections).
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Red Wolf on January 11, 2017, 01:18:45 am
Feeling the same here, going to each section to check unread threads while before one button gave me all the unread threads for the whole forum.
Maybe just have the recent unread topics hook to all the sections, than having each section use it's own sandboxed functions?(probably other functionalities are now sandboxed to their sections).
A very high percentage of functions are "sandboxed" to their sections (subforums).
We are working on unread topics from all subforums.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Suhaib on January 11, 2017, 08:20:51 pm
no dota ?  :(
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Red Wolf on January 15, 2017, 12:22:12 am
So, Global Unread Posts is now added. Now you will be able to show unread posts of all subforums. Keep in mind that any action taken in "All unread topics",  "Recent unread topics" or "Global Unread Posts" will affect all the pages mentioned above.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: 'PL' on January 15, 2017, 12:25:49 am
What's the question mark though :D
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Red Wolf on January 15, 2017, 12:27:25 am
What's the question mark though :D
Probably for lazy asses who wont check this topic, and are wondering what "global unread" is  :D. Hover the question mark, and ull see the explanation.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: DonTodo # on January 15, 2017, 02:36:11 am
Just a sidenote. Why not just type the whole game out? Counterstrike 1.6 - Counterstrike : Global Offensive.
This looks so cheap and not appealing in my eyes.
Never the less that i rather have everything on one forum like Maki and PL said.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Ray on January 15, 2017, 02:40:39 pm
Why's everyone saying it's bad? It's not bad. It's just useless.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: pwnst4r on January 15, 2017, 07:11:08 pm
I'm guessing its due to the arma server and whatnot.

tbh should've just given them there own forum instead of mess up this counter-strike related forum.  There's allot of communities which support more then 5 games and they have one forum for it all, and it looks a hella more appealing then the current ambrosia forum :(

ambrosia.co.uk (yum custard)

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"We aim for each games audience to have a place of their own and if they get interested in other things we support then great, but again a lot of people are interested in only Minecraft and nothing else, so why should it all be under one big page?"
Oh, and don't you think the "global unread posts" is going to be a big clogged? You want to give each game it's own dedicated forum so the users who are solely interested in minecraft don't have to see the CSGO boards and whatnot, yet you make a global unread posts where they WILL see the CSGO topics and posts.  ::)

Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Ed on January 15, 2017, 08:23:35 pm
I'm guessing its due to the arma server and whatnot.

tbh should've just given them there own forum instead of mess up this counter-strike related forum.  There's allot of communities which support more then 5 games and they have one forum for it all, and it looks a hella more appealing then the current ambrosia forum :(

ambrosia.co.uk (yum custard)
Oh, and don't you think the "global unread posts" is going to be a big clogged? You want to give each game it's own dedicated forum so the users who are solely interested in minecraft don't have to see the CSGO boards and whatnot, yet you make a global unread posts where they WILL see the CSGO topics and posts.  ::)


It all comes down to what you are used to. This is a new integration and we are making it better and smoother. Sooner or later you wouldn't want it any other way I promise. Change is always good for the soul and we are always looking to change the way we are working. It crossed our minds to make seperate forums for arma and such, but to be fair we might move 1.6 back to main page, but at the end of the day this is all trial and we will see what we can do. Also if we did a forum for arma, we would have to do that for minecraft and so on, it just isn't great and finding the right balance of integration is the key. IF we do not find the right balance we will go with what some have suggested actually as it was a simple way of doing it with childboards, but you don't get the nice features we want although it is fine, we want a nicer way of doing it. If anything that would be plan B. Will have to see.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Ed on January 15, 2017, 08:26:02 pm
Oh, and don't you think the "global unread posts" is going to be a big clogged? You want to give each game it's own dedicated forum so the users who are solely interested in minecraft don't have to see the CSGO boards and whatnot, yet you make a global unread posts where they WILL see the CSGO topics and posts.  ::)
Actually :D Global are for me and others who want to see everything, but for page one, if you are in lets say CSGO page and click on - "Recent unread topics" it will only show you all the CSGO unread topics only. The name needs to change tho, as I am sure you didn't know that :D It will be something like "current page unread topics" or something down the line.
Title: Re: New* Subforums for each game mode!
Post by: Red Wolf on January 15, 2017, 09:03:05 pm
I'm guessing its due to the arma server and whatnot.

tbh should've just given them there own forum instead of mess up this counter-strike related forum.  There's allot of communities which support more then 5 games and they have one forum for it all, and it looks a hella more appealing then the current ambrosia forum :(

ambrosia.co.uk (yum custard)
Oh, and don't you think the "global unread posts" is going to be a big clogged? You want to give each game it's own dedicated forum so the users who are solely interested in minecraft don't have to see the CSGO boards and whatnot, yet you make a global unread posts where they WILL see the CSGO topics and posts.  ::)

Well, about different forums, that would take a lot of time and resources. And what's more, users would need to register to each game's forum they like, making it impractical and pain in the ass. What we have done is something simpler, many features are shared among subforums and many others localized. A few examples are: signatures, personal texts, messages.
Localised: unread topics, themes, categories.

About what's more appealing, well, when we changed forum theme, owners, staff, trust me, it was so hard to get used to it (at least to me). And thats probably the same case. (im not saying im a fan of it).
Its a pretty good idea and I bet we wont be the only community having this feature.

The global unread is basically "All unread topics", but globalised (from all subforums). I find it hard switching from one subforum to another just to check unread topics, and others find it useless to have to read unread topics from other subforums.