Some missunderstanding in the vent rule...

[Weed Farmerr]

Sorry but I dont agree ..sometimes in some maps that the vents are inside the cells the CT's cant do anything to stop T or guard the vents because the vents are inside the cells.

[SNap]

This is jail after all. Prisoners who try to escape are being punished. The vent is way to escape and the vent rule gives them safety inside for 30 seconds. If they are noobs and get caught its their problem, nobody forced them to get in the vent

Also in some maps like jb_snow if you manage to go in the vent for the roof CTs cant stop you, without the rule they will just shoot you so i think its better for Ts with the rule however If they fail is their fault

[Weed Farmerr]

This is jail after all. Prisoners who try to escape are being punished. The vent is way to escape and the vent rule gives them safety inside for 30 seconds. If they are noobs and get caught its their problem, nobody forced them to get in the vent

Also in some maps like jb_snow if you manage to go in the vent for the roof CTs cant stop you, without the rule they will just shoot you so i think its better for Ts with the rule however If they fail is their fault

Exactly ..You can think it like in real prisons when the guards see that someone is missing they active the alarm so the prisoner/s has a few minutes/seconds to escape or he will face the punishment   

[Silver shooter]

On jail_greytown think is the map in which CT ususally gives 30 sec to vent, and then ct will camp in gunroom for 30 sec's.

If terrorist is mostly near gunroom, he wont have enough time to leave from cell side, and if he comes from gunroom and even when he drops in gunroom he just looks down and drops the gun, the CT will kill him.

[sMiT]

Can someone who disagrees with me and Monster tell me... why do we have a vent rule?
Snap you said The vent is way to escape and the vent rule gives them safety inside for 30 seconds... Hardly true when either way your getting killed.
and Weed, this is cs not real life.

[MonsteR]

Just to reiterate monsters point... if ct's give the T's 30 seconds to get out of the vent, it is essentially allowing the T to join back in the game without being killed.
You can however, decide not to give the 30 seconds to get out of the vent, let the T stay in there until he decides to want to rebel and comes out, and then kill for rebelling (i think)
Am i right in saying this monster?

This post is explaining all. We have always been playing like this and i dont see a problem with it. The rule will stay like this. And as i said: If the CT say 30 sec to leave the vent. This means that you have rebeled but he is giving you a chance. He is giving you 30 sec to give up with the rebeling and get out of the vent. After this 30 sec as you keep rebeling while staying in he will get in the vent and killl you. So this 30 sec are your last chance to come and DONT die.

Also what i do and many others do. If i see some1 in the vent and i want to kill him. I dont give 30 sec vent time. Then ofc depends on the map i hide on the other part of the vent and when he comes out i kill him for rebeling. Which means if i had told him that he has 30 sec time to go out i wasnt going to kill him as i gave him a chance.


27. Officers cannot go inside the vents or kill prisoners hiding in the vents, unless it's a Special Day or HNS Day.
   Officers must warn all the prisoners who are camping in the vent that staying in the vent is prohibited. Prisoners
   can camp in the vent for up to 30 seconds, if the prisoner is camping in the vent longer then 30 seconds,
   officers can go inside the vent and kill the prisoner without a warning (grenades allowed).


As i said it is clear for me and we have been playing like this from long time ago.


Regards,
Monster

[Eddy Wall-e]

27. Officers cannot go inside the vents or kill prisoners hiding in the vents, unless it's a Special Day or HNS Day.
   Officers must warn all the prisoners who are camping in the vent that staying in the vent is prohibited. Prisoners
   can camp in the vent for up to 30 seconds, if the prisoner is camping in the vent longer then 30 seconds,
   officers can go inside the vent and kill the prisoner without a warning (grenades allowed).

i doesnt say you have to give him time to come out...just wait for 30 seconds without telling him to come out and kill him----> "kill the prisoner without a warning"

[Ed]

Answer on main question.

If a CT gives you 30 seconds to come out of the vent and when you do within 30 seconds, you get killed, then it is a freekill and you should receive a FD.

If a CT gives you 30 seconds and says that you can only come out (rehab example) in the cell only, but you come out in KZ within 30 seconds and get killed, it's not a FK.

If a CT states 30 seconds and you don't come out by the time, you get killed in the vent, although if you went out in KZ and CT saw you after 30 seconds and killed you then it's a freekill.

I think the issue here is that CT's forget that they give 30 sec for prisoner in the vent and when they remember your dead already specially by another CT who didn't gave command, but was not listening or thought you were rebelling which you were, but had another chance to come back. CT's expect you to come back to cage in 30 sec not just go out of the vent, but then again that's vent for you.

Regarding Vent it self. I agree with Smit here, we shouldn't need a vent rule, it is complicating and frustrates a lot of people.
On the other note, I disagree that a T can go back in the vent and if CT already said 30 seconds then he should not need to say 30 seconds again, it's time wasting and annoying.

[sMiT]

IF there wasnt a vent rule,there would be point in having vents on the maps either :p
On the majority of the maps, the ct's can be at the exit of the vent before the T. If there isnt a vent rule, the T is dead, and every time the use of the vent will be pointless.

[Ed]

Wrong Smit, vent is a hiding space, it's supposed to be used if your skilled enough to use it. Not every time you can escape through the vent, but not every time CT can watch over vents all the time.

What if we destroy the old vent rule and make a new one? CT cannot enter vents until the very end when 1 T is alive and some are missing which can be executed if they don't come in certain given time? Just an idea, maybe we can make this more enjoyable, maybe not dunno.

[MonsteR]

We have been playing like that for long time and i like it. I dont think we need to change the rule for now.

Also ED said all for the 3rd time about the vent rule. Btw am still amazed how admins dont know the rules... TY ED for the good explanations.

And eddy to your question: "Officers must warn all the prisoners who are camping in the vent that staying in the vent is prohibited."
This is a part of the rule. And if you dont give him time and he comes out then it is rebeling and you can kill him with no warning shots.

Regards,
Monster

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[MonsteR]

Moved to archive

[Silver shooter]

I've noticed CT's will just say Vent 30 seconds at the start of the day, however they got no clue if someone is in the vent or anything.
Then, Later on if some Terrorist escapes and find him self in the vent, and then CT's will just kill that Prisoner.

I think there should be something like, if CT didn't saw/Don't Know if someone is in the vent, they can't say vent 30 seconds.
As then it just spoils the game, as they will say on start of round, and if someone enter's later, he get's killed.

Also, Many times Ct's say vent 30 sec's and everyone is in the cage.

Also, many times CTs say vent 30 seconds, and never check the vent.

Also, Many times CT's just see someone going to vent, and say vent 30 seconds, and if the person escapes and another person later on finds himself in vent, they kill the other person.

I request to the headadmin, please guide me if those things which i justified here on this post are legel? And if not, then can you please fix some rules?


-Thanks

['PL']

Btw, add the exception in jail_Desert as ct's can't pass the hidden room without going inside the vent, cuz they will die if they go straight in it.

Anyways, silver i hardly see this incident that when person A says 30 seconds in vent, and when person B kills him. Usually if the ct remembers his name or his model will shout to not kill him. There is no way for Person B to know if that was the t who the commander given time to get out