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Offline Ed

Concerning the topic about some rule, non rule breaking.
« on: June 08, 2012, 07:58:05 am »
http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=5564.0;topicseen

I just wanted to clear up the argument, misunderstanding here between players and admins.

1. Admins chose CT's by vote, by simple question or by any means he/she thinks it is appropriate. We see some admins selftransfering to the CT team, including myself sometimes just to command.

I personally by doing that know that I won't stay long and I will put someone in my place. Sometimes I do it because I see no proper commander. By putting myself to CT I give players more of an enjoyment and less failed days, but as I am not perfect and non is, sometimes it doesn't work that way.

I think we can modify some things. *Another Admin can transfer another admin to CT team since he can chose the CT's and cannot be involved in personal selfishness. 
If there is only one admin and he wishes to play as a CT, he must do a vote with other people who want to play and chose CT's this way without selftransfering to CT team himself.
*note, Admin can selftransfer to CT team in the start of the map to avoid selftransferers to join CT team and restarting the round until all CT's are chosen.

2. Gunmenu after admin transfer may bug and you may have the menu on you. No admin or player is allowed to use this menu and should notify admin straight away of such a bug so he can fix it.

We never had this rule and we tried to avoid to make this mistake, but this mistake happens when we don't want to slay a player, but transfer a person back to T team. In future admins should not transfer a player from CT team to T team alive, but slay them first and revive them by using amx_revive.
I personally never banned or kicked anyone for using this bug as it is purely my own fault, but I have warned players not to abuse it since it is not an usual game play.

3. The new /lr allows to use a knife and by all means CT or T can use the knife and try to kill the enemy. That is not considered cheating since it allows players to finish the fight quicker if the fight like shot for shot goes for too long or it is a grenade duel and you run out of nades.

This is based on common sense and my own experience. Not everyone knows the rules not written and not everyone even read the rules which were written. The rules in game are reminded most of the time when similar bug or exception happens.
There are a lot of small peaks in every rule, but I don't see the reason to explain every single thing as no one here comes to read a book, but just clearly to know the rules in basics and pick up the peaks ingame by which you remember the rules more clearer.

Kind regards,
sami<3
« Last Edit: June 08, 2012, 08:03:48 am by *Ed* »
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Offline 'PL'

Re: Concerning the topic about some rule, non rule breaking.
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2012, 09:48:40 am »
I was thinking the same but a bit modified from ur post sami
1. Admins chose CT's by vote, by simple question or by any means he/she thinks it is appropriate. We see some admins selftransfering to the CT team, including myself sometimes just to command.
Ok this has gaps, "A head admin can transfer an other admin" without a question because hierarchically head admins have more rights and privileges then over other admins. Since weed reported his superior head admin(roni) he didn't understand that ambrosia chose him to be a head administrator(and by any means reporting staff needs a lot of evidence and verbal skills to win). I f he was an ordinary one he might as well be suspended with weed because jb admins are on equal balance. Almost never, admins transfer other admins, giving that a + and should(are) be in good standing between each-other on what ever thing is to a question, if it happens the opposite you would see a lot, and i mean a lot of admin reports.

To fix this problem, we can implement a rule about the relations. When i was in a corrupt community (not saying the name) there were like 10 reports from trial admins to the head admin and admins accepted by the nepotistic head admin. So fixing the problem is really simple, trial admins must show diminutive behavior before full cs admins since they have more experience. Weed's application was accepted without a discussion with the head admin (mcain didn't liked this and most of the time opened anti-staff topics) and roni has can send objective messages to protest against these admins.

2. Gunmenu after admin transfer may bug and you may have the menu on you. No admin or player is allowed to use this menu and should notify admin straight away of such a bug so he can fix it.
This is alright, i agree with firstly slaying him then reviing him (however you might come to guys who don't adore bad k/d ratios, and will complain. Also it might encourage stevko to put a new command for not having this bug)

3. The new /lr allows to use a knife and by all means CT or T can use the knife and try to kill the enemy. That is not considered cheating since it allows players to finish the fight quicker if the fight like shot for shot goes for too long or it is a grenade duel and you run out of nades.
I started following this rule when a event occurred between roni and jf when they were ct's. Actually jf killed mister with a knife when mister chosen shot4shot because mister was delaying (showing his dance moves on jf's hldj) B A D JF :DDD
After that i killed jf with knife because i didn't fully understand the concept of this situation.
Simple, when you have a duel with a selected mod (choice) you have to be 1v1 without cheating (agree with sami on common sense and empiricism)

And i apologize to sami but i want to ask our head admin roni
What's the difference between the new games (gg,snowball,box) and the special days (nightcrawler,zombie, nemesis)
Both of them require a change (teamkil on, leveling on). Where the others aren't really different since you add hp
In a topic we deduced that a special day is a day when is required for a admin to do day
Games can be done without a admin's help, but looks like the new mod passively removes this rule
« Last Edit: June 08, 2012, 09:51:47 am by *PL* »

Offline JF

Re: Concerning the topic about some rule, non rule breaking.
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2012, 11:16:10 am »
I sent a whole big list of rules that needs to be modified, removed or added to RoNi and C4sp3r.
Hopefully we'll get some updates on the outdated rules =)

Beat that speed hobos
P.S. that was already in 2010 xD

Offline Ed

Re: Concerning the topic about some rule, non rule breaking.
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2012, 04:17:42 pm »
Nice points PL, but I think between admins or head admin there shouldn't be any difference in speaking about transferring to Ct team since this should be equal to all and as we see some players complain about it. Other than that it might be a good thing, but putting a line between trial, admin and head admin doesn't seem right in JB.

I started as trial, when your trial you do many mistakes, even when your admin or head admin you do mistakes tho they are mostly overlooking mistakes etc. We help trial admins same as we were helped when we were trial.

About snoball, box and other special days, well only head admin can make these days except for command /box. It is tho bit annoying since admins gotta do special days by the old ways if there's no head admin or higher. I'm still not familiar with all the commands just for admins, but as far as I know CT got only one command and that's /glow.
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Offline 'PL'

Re: Concerning the topic about some rule, non rule breaking.
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2012, 04:45:44 pm »
But the special days and games are too dependent, one case roni banned a guy for killing him and interrupting the snowball, and i asked if quit was too harsh he said check /ffa.
Special days are done with voting system and need admins to be done
Same goes for These new games :( (so what is the border between these and the sd)

Offline Ed

Re: Concerning the topic about some rule, non rule breaking.
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2012, 04:48:28 pm »
Well they should still be voted as they are considered special days since admin power is required. Voting system should stay as it is and admins should get access to the easy vote system, but some people think it's better if admins didn't got this command. All the admins play for a long as admins except for trial admins, so they should get the command too.
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Offline MonsteR

Re: Concerning the topic about some rule, non rule breaking.
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2012, 10:34:26 am »
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