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Offline Alberto

My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« on: June 28, 2017, 08:53:11 pm »
Hello there, dear PB players. Before  i start i would like to write here exclusively the players of prisonbreak since it is out of your concern if you are not, thank you and here i go!

As everybody knows here Jailbreak/Prisonbreak is my favourite server. It was/is/will be and it will never change. I joined here in december 2010 so 6 years have already passed. I have seen many times the server going up and down and everything i could do is just say suggestions or simply look how it goes down and up. Finally in 2016 i decided to move and try to be promoted to SM/HA (as you like to call it) and try to work and improve the server once for all. After helping Eros as much as i could and seeing that the server was empty and dead i offered myself for the job. Yes, i was denied. Andrew was chosen as SM and he did a good work. I did an admin application and eros once again (having in mind what i did) denied me. I am very grateful to andrew for helping me to raise again and show myself. Sadly, he was afk/the server was attacked etc and it -literally- died. Once he came back (I forgot to mention that the rest of the players werent afk because we wanted but because of his inactivity. If the general leaves the army, it is not soldier's fault if they dont do his job properly) he did a meeting with admins telling us that we were afk so it was not only his fault and we didnt tell him suggestions to improve the server. I think that it should be his job (about all because he was afk) so well, i was doing that job and i collected many suggestions which i sent to him (Yep, now i have more and better explained). He added RTD because of my suggestion, deleted/added a few maps. But it is not enough because the players need an excuse to join to the server. You can call it good commanders, good admins, good server but they need an excuse. The server still got attacker with exploits, DDoS, crashes and more things but the main reason is that the server is not ready to get players. Yep, the server needs good commanders. Without good CTs the time there becomes boring and they usually leave but it is not he only main reason. The server is not getting the attention that it requires. You cant try to get players when the server is not ready for it. Even the own players are not because they need to know what PB is and how to command properly, something that has an easy solution as you will be able to read down.

Now, after explaining that i will expose here what i would like to be done in order to improve the server:

-   Social networks: just use it to promote the server. What i see is that  if we work hard on it we can success.(for example make an official topic requesting people to do a video or manage a social network , making them do a word document saying all what they have done to promote the server in the social network. It should be done they monthly)

-   Change the maps many times, people like it and they want to try new map but having always  old and gold maps

-   Get a DDoS IP protection backup to have 2 ips to join to the server (I have seen this in a few servers)

-   Create new games , a topic where all can give ideas and try it out and make top 5 better games of the month/ 2 months (chosen by the own sm) and the first 2 will get gold. This will be especially important due to a suggestions written down)

-   Add ghost plugin and try to make it work with the main plugin (in nd people love it). If not, change the current plugin for other (In my opinion if it needs to be changed because it is overload then do it. We didn’t have this plugin for years and nothing happened). Hey, I am totally aware that the current plugin and his HARD work is enormous

-   Add only 170 min to be a ct,  the time of 4 maps, more than enough because the current  time requires a long period to be CT and players haven’t that patience -usually-

-   Boost it 1 time per week (maybe)

-   Have a staff who listen, help the server admins/players because we have not this at the moment. All we have are inactive admins or admins who dont  care a lot about helping.

-   Change name from gold to “Ambrosia Pounds”. I am sure that they will enjoy the new name more than “gold” which sounds really normal.

-   Change the shop by adding and remove more/less stuff. It needs a serious update because at the moment it is boring and it doesnt offer much stuff.

-   Bring back blackjack yes or yes (important). It doesn’t matter if it is difficult or not, even if the plugin is changed.

-   I know how prisonbreak goes but we shouldn’t think “ it means this is a rolepay of a real prison so this must be as real as possible” it is better to do what players like if we want to bring players to the server so I vote to change the current skins for others which are cooler as all the servers have differents skins and pretty cool ones.

-   Add/remove admins directly -RIGHT NOW, NOT INTHE FUTURE- it is the most important thing. If you check dd2 admin list you will see  admins who didn’t join for weeks or months and the current SM did a topic to write that they are active giving them 2 week or 1 month to answer. In my opinion it shouldn’t be like that, if they didn’t care about the server for weeks they have desmotrated how much they like the community or how much they wish to work. If they went afk, they had to give a reason if they didnt it is obvious.

-   Do 1 event every 2 weeks always, like: people in a topic apply for a team of 2 that will play a soccer match , they play the match and the result is written in the topic. People will play it and they ill be playing the server for the match.

-DO a poll to know if people liked the map. When you add a map and after you play it, do a poll which says (for example): Did you like the map? Yes a lot, Not at all, regular. To know players opinions too and if we shoud remove or keep the map. They wont troll the polling as i have already done and it was a successful test.

-   Remove old topics of jb section and leave the important/new.

-    Add Knife skins (they can choose between the predetermined and other more) showing them more skins in the list with no choice to have them without paying to be VIP. I have seen this in more servers and there were a few VIP to have the skins.Even in ND they have skins to choose.


-   -every 2/3 months do a polling to know who was the best commander, prisoner etc..

-   It is prisonbreak, but we need to have limits. They can use the mic but never spam the mic to annoy the ct (cts will no longer have to say “spam you die”). The players use to mute veryone and then they cant know what the rest are commanding/saying.  Make limits in insults (they can flame all they want to each other always they don’t say nigger and these kind of words).

-   -Make the ratio 1:3-1:4 oblitatory in any case.

-Make 2 spectators: one which the ip of the ts3 server and other with the ambrosia website.

-LR (Last Request)  needs to be fixed. With it I mean to add more games and remove others which are not good and never are used.

-HAT MENU: you press m and hat menu and there you can choose between many hats. It is cool because  ppl love to wear it and it doesn’t overload the server.

-Add a command /prisonbreak or /pb in the server where you can find a full explanation about how it works. It is needed because when the server was boosted I was asked how this mod was played so it would help a  lot.

-Take 1 hour 2 days every week to teach the interested players to be good commanders or even new admins to be good admins. It is easy to do and it can help a lot.

-MAPS: (only a few of them)
http://maps.cs-bg.info/maps/cs/3289/   it is in many maps
http://gamebanana.com/maps/162943 - again in many servers
http://gamebanana.com/maps/195379- the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/188451 - the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/187036 - same and we had this in the past

-RULES TO BE ADDED:
No Racism nor excessive harassment of players
No Use of blank / offensive name or impersonating admins/players including alternate spellings.


It took me days, not only a few minutes or a few hours. I have played 1 hour each server that i have joined and i got the main ideas of each one to create a good server. I think that may not ALL the ideas can be done or fit with the prisonbreak server but the majority can be perfectly done. This is the job that should be done before not only doing a few things.Admins shouldnt be threatened with demotions to be active. If they are interested with the server, they will always play if they dont they will simply not play at all. Here  many players  lost inteterest and even most of the old players left for nd cause of the lack of  interest on the server. We need to show them that the server is strong and it can offer all they search. Sadly, they are not coming, only a few boosted players because no one is caring about this. So, what do i want? I want to work on the server as i have been wanting all this time, all these years spent in front of the screen. If one is not interested, I am here to offer my help. I have given suggestions, i have been working, making the time that the players spend in the server the most funny possible. If i didnt care the server and the current situation of the server i wouldnt do this topic at all but I am doing this because i really like the server, spend my time thre speaking and talking with the players. I did good friends here and i wont let the server die more times. It barely get players and it doesnt reach 16 players but only 8 players for a few hours -from 14:00 to 18-19:00- then it becomes inactive again. It is not enough, I want to improve this situation with the help of everybody. Even another good suggestion would be to do a private meeting with each admin and a big meeting with some players to know their opinion and know how to improve the server. Nothing of this was done and it should be.

I know that you may are or are not agreed with what i have been saying here but a lot of work must be done and nothing is being done at the moment so i call to every prisonbreak players to join me and start working in the server to make a good place where all can enjoy their time.
Together, we will be able to create the best server. We have the potential but  we dont approach it.

Smile, together the server will be back


« Last Edit: June 28, 2017, 09:14:25 pm by Alberto »

Offline Smiley:)

Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2017, 09:20:01 pm »
Oh Oh toto, noiiiice. Hellow , i honestly agree with you, i liked all ur suggestions. We do need fun cts sometimes it's boring i just leave.. but yeh even i'm boring so i guess we should work on that. Also not many admins are active so i agree on the add/remove, The only active admins r steve and ninja also andrew when he has time. Some of course are busy but still i never saw half of them on the server.. I loved the Knife skin idea reminded me of the old times yey exciting. About the maps yeh its boring playing on the same maps over and over and sometimes its about the players choosing the same maps over and over so i think we need a new list but ofc keeping the old nice maps :3 I really like ur suggestions :) and i hope that they will be taken into consideration at least :3

-   Do 1 event every 2 weeks always, like: people in a topic apply for a team of 2 that will play a soccer match , they play the match and the result is written in the topic. People will play it and they ill be playing the server for the match.

-   -every 2/3 months do a polling to know who was the best commander, prisoner etc..

I like these two suggestions as well, they r fun and they make players more excited to actually play and improve.
« Last Edit: June 28, 2017, 09:34:05 pm by Queen Smiley »

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2017, 09:36:54 pm »
Honest opinion, lower the ratio to 1:2 because RTD is overpowered, round could end quickly by just typing that one word, more CTs means more balance..
Oh and how about you remove the mic access for Ts, that is the dumbest thing I've experienced in my life that has been going on for ages, it's like you people agree with that. I'm not forced to mute people every round who like to scream or talk random shit because they have never seen a mic in their life (ex BlackJoker)
Disable /votekick , make it for VIPs only and who cares if you have only 1 VIP for example, he purchased it for a reason, he has it for fun and he could help out when you have no admins online

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2017, 10:05:20 pm »
Best thing to start whit is getting good CT's. Unbanning CLUBBER would change the world for the Prisonbreak server.

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2017, 03:24:26 am »
Having new things in server is always fun , such as hats menu and knife skins will be fun , also more maps should be added
about RTD its sometimes so annoying  ,cts can't handle it in such maps.
    
                                                      
                     

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2017, 05:53:04 am »
Isn't there plugin in 1.6 where y can see admin activity..

In CSGO there is and will be implemented today..

I myself personally have start demoting all inactive admins..they don't care if dont even info about inactivity.

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2017, 10:19:48 am »
looking at these suggestions makes me want to play more, and some of them require time to change, some of them requires money and its not easy but lets hope we can do it and try to help in what we can do.
and as i recall we had pointed out at the meeting on ts3 yesterday that we lack good cts, and i agree on that, lets work on all of these stuffs and i hope the suggestions above will be taken seriously
--plus we need a meeting on tp3 every two weeks or a month just like the one yesterday to send reports regards some rules and for the server managers to explain about some other rules or their main purpose, and have a more fresh direct talk with the manager(ofc if they have got time)
goodluck guys
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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2017, 10:38:59 am »
Man, you worked so hard with this. you should be a SM xD. But seriously i fully agree with you, all the suggestions were great but still, should be our PB leader xD

Offline Andrew`

Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2017, 11:17:19 am »
-   Social networks: just use it to promote the server. What i see is that  if we work hard on it we can success.(for example make an official topic requesting people to do a video or manage a social network , making them do a word document saying all what they have done to promote the server in the social network. It should be done they monthly)
We are doing that on facebook already, we wanna make a youtube video as well, but we're looking for someone capable of doing it

-   Change the maps many times, people like it and they want to try new map but having always  old and gold maps
The maps do change but unfortunately the more new additions we make, the more we receive complaints about old maps to stay, so at this point there's not much that can be changed without complaints coming. It's a matter of perspective.

-   Get a DDoS IP protection backup to have 2 ips to join to the server (I have seen this in a few servers)
We already have a protection, but just like any protection, there is always a flaw/way to bypass it. There is a plan for a backup PB, but it's not in my hands to make it possible atm.

-   Create new games , a topic where all can give ideas and try it out and make top 5 better games of the month/ 2 months (chosen by the own sm) and the first 2 will get gold. This will be especially important due to a suggestions written down)
Not a bad idea.

-   Add ghost plugin and try to make it work with the main plugin (in nd people love it). If not, change the current plugin for other (In my opinion if it needs to be changed because it is overload then do it. We didn’t have this plugin for years and nothing happened). Hey, I am totally aware that the current plugin and his HARD work is enormous
Tried it, didn't work. We'll try again, but don't count on it working, as I've said many times, there's some things we can't implement with the current mod.

-   Add only 170 min to be a ct,  the time of 4 maps, more than enough because the current  time requires a long period to be CT and players haven’t that patience -usually-
Most people actually have the time required, the problem is most people don't bother volunteer to go CT, and that's a main problem.

-   Boost it 1 time per week (maybe)
That is happening already, and not just once per week.

-   Have a staff who listen, help the server admins/players because we have not this at the moment. All we have are inactive admins or admins who dont  care a lot about helping.
Check the Gametracker stats about activity. And we do have staff that listen, or else you wouldn't have a server with gangs, gold, blackmarket, lottery, raffle, RTD, boosts, change of maps almost every month, VIP, personal skins and what not.

-   Change name from gold to “Ambrosia Pounds”. I am sure that they will enjoy the new name more than “gold” which sounds really normal.
Not something worth editing a whole plugin for, sorry.

-   Change the shop by adding and remove more/less stuff. It needs a serious update because at the moment it is boring and it doesnt offer much stuff.
It does offer a lot of things, but we have to keep it to a limit. It's a prisonbreak server, not a superhero one. There are already arguements over RTD being OP or not, we add things in market too, the CTs will be extinct.

-   Bring back blackjack yes or yes (important). It doesn’t matter if it is difficult or not, even if the plugin is changed.
Yes it does if it is difficult or not, unless you can code again the whole plugin, or get me a better one without flaws. We are still trying to do smth about it, but if it can't be done, it can't be done. The owners have addressed that themselves.

-   I know how prisonbreak goes but we shouldn’t think “ it means this is a rolepay of a real prison so this must be as real as possible” it is better to do what players like if we want to bring players to the server so I vote to change the current skins for others which are cooler as all the servers have differents skins and pretty cool ones.
We have custom skins for everyone that wanna get them with some gold for exchange, we have a different T and CT skin, we might add more skins later on.

-   Add/remove admins directly -RIGHT NOW, NOT INTHE FUTURE- it is the most important thing.
Should I? Check Gametracker and tell me if I should.

-   Do 1 event every 2 weeks always, like: people in a topic apply for a team of 2 that will play a soccer match , they play the match and the result is written in the topic. People will play it and they ill be playing the server for the match.
Good suggestion, will be taken into consideration.

-DO a poll to know if people liked the map. When you add a map and after you play it, do a poll which says (for example): Did you like the map? Yes a lot, Not at all, regular. To know players opinions too and if we shoud remove or keep the map. They wont troll the polling as i have already done and it was a successful test.
There are stats that track what maps players vote for, and of course the map suggestions which get accepted. Good idea but we're already implementing it, hence we add the most popular choices.

-   Remove old topics of jb section and leave the important/new.
That has happened many times already, but removing all topics from the board will simply make it look dead.

-    Add Knife skins (they can choose between the predetermined and other more) showing them more skins in the list with no choice to have them without paying to be VIP. I have seen this in more servers and there were a few VIP to have the skins.Even in ND they have skins to choose.
Not a bad idea. I am already checking on skins, changed the default CT ones for a change, I promise to continue doing so.


-   -every 2/3 months do a polling to know who was the best commander, prisoner etc..
Not a bad idea as well, that is mostly the reason I did PB nominations, but I put that aside recently and it's my bad, apologies for that. However, we can't do it quite often, simply cause giving out gold every week will easily make the lose their value, especially when there are gold and VIP purchases. It can be applied every some months though.

-   It is prisonbreak, but we need to have limits. They can use the mic but never spam the mic to annoy the ct (cts will no longer have to say “spam you die”). The players use to mute veryone and then they cant know what the rest are commanding/saying.  Make limits in insults (they can flame all they want to each other always they don’t say nigger and these kind of words).
That cannot happen, unfortunately. This is the concept of PB, I can't do anything about it personally. There is a very open freedom, a T is allowed to spam the mic, and the CT is allowed to kill him for that, and you're allowed to mute him as well, and it won't affect anything on you, as the CT is commanding, not the T.

-   -Make the ratio 1:3-1:4 oblitatory in any case.
The ratio is already up to 1:2 max, it is up to admins to enforce it, we can't do anything to force people to go CT.

-Make 2 spectators: one which the ip of the ts3 server and other with the ambrosia website.
Good idea.

-LR (Last Request)  needs to be fixed. With it I mean to add more games and remove others which are not good and never are used.
Once again, easy said but not done. Promise to look at it though.

-HAT MENU: you press m and hat menu and there you can choose between many hats. It is cool because  ppl love to wear it and it doesn’t overload the server.
Will look into it, thank you for your suggestion.

-Add a command /prisonbreak or /pb in the server where you can find a full explanation about how it works. It is needed because when the server was boosted I was asked how this mod was played so it would help a  lot.
I am already working on that, but thank you for the suggestion.

-Take 1 hour 2 days every week to teach the interested players to be good commanders or even new admins to be good admins. It is easy to do and it can help a lot.
I do that with admins when necessary, but can't do it every week with players. That's your part in the server. I will possibly make a meeting on that later on and try help the players myself.

-MAPS: (only a few of them)
http://maps.cs-bg.info/maps/cs/3289/   it is in many maps
http://gamebanana.com/maps/162943 - again in many servers
http://gamebanana.com/maps/195379- the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/188451 - the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/187036 - same and we had this in the past
I will check on that list, thank you.

-RULES TO BE ADDED:
No Racism nor excessive harassment of players
No Use of blank / offensive name or impersonating admins/players including alternate spellings.
The limits still apply in the server, there is an intro topic explaining that crossing some lines can get you in trouble. I cannot add any specific rules unfortunately, but that doesn't mean those are allowed, actions do get taken on that, you should know better than me about it.

Some very good ideas, but some others simply can't be done anywhere in the near future. The mod is quite standard, but I have to go along with it as it's the best one we can get. If you find a better, less flawed mod, feel free to share, but at the moment we have to go along. We are always trying to implement things, I even locked the server down some days ago to check different mods, there have been multiple additions to the server over the last months, and just to let everyone know(because apparently people forget easily nowadays), this is probably the first time there have been so many changes/additions in an Ambrosia JB server within 4-5 months, so we do hear everything being told, but like I said, there are limits. This is jailbreak, not superhero, it's mostly about the gameplay we go for, not extra multiple additions to end up ruin it. You play dd2(for example) only cause you like dd2, not cause there are extra hats and trouzers and shops and fairies and events and blackjack and new maps and knife skins, yet we do have many additions, instead of trying to keep the mod to a base, cause we do listen. We are currently the only server in here actually competing with the CS:GO section when it comes to changes and updates(although we're losing cause apparently much more things can be done to a 2010 game :D), have you ever thought of that? :)

Anyway, let's hear things from @Ed himself, and he's free to correct me wherever I'm wrong. Thank you for reading.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 11:21:31 am by Andrew~ »

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2017, 04:37:06 pm »
Why is this locked?

There absolutely no reason to lock this.

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2017, 05:00:25 pm »
Isn't there plugin in 1.6 where y can see admin activity..

In CSGO there is and will be implemented today..

I myself personally have start demoting all inactive admins..they don't care if dont even info about inactivity.
Inactive admins are obvious , why would he implement a plugin :D

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2017, 05:25:35 pm »
Quit the "roleplay" bullshit and disable mic access for Ts, make an option in the commander tool where he can give mic access to Ts when they need to. How funny would it sound like you have a full server with it's current situation and you finish a round when you have to keep on killing people who spam on mic? Disable it, please.

We are currently the only server in here actually competing with the CS:GO section when it comes to changes and updates(although we're losing cause apparently much more things can be done to a 2010 game :D), have you ever thought of that? :)

I may repeat myself because your arrogant self locked the topic, but how can you convince yourself that you are "competing" with other servers? In terms of changes and updates? :D So you added the RTD plugin, good that shows you know how to download a plugin and install it on a server! Nicely done!! What have you done other than that? Locking threads and opening private conversations so you hide most of your facts? xdd

there have been multiple additions to the server over the last months, and just to let everyone know(because apparently people forget easily nowadays)
this is probably the first time there have been so many changes/additions in an Ambrosia JB server within 4-5 months

Holy shit you did a lot within 4-5 months! Let's see your own topic to see your changes:
Quote from: Andrew
Updates (May 28)

-Updated the maplist
-Added RollTheDice (under testing) Simply say "rtd" in chat.

Quote from: Andrew
Updates (June 17)

-Updated the maplist adding 3 maps.
-Upgraded Roll The Dice(still in beta).
-Addressed some minor factors crashing the server.
-Added /votekick option with a kick and 10-minute-ban. Be aware that abuse/misuse of it may get the issuer kicked/banned.

Ehh yes people talk in the back and you know it, they say you're inactive but the good thing I saw you yesterday for a total of 30 seconds and you were playing some rounds today, so why are you honestly staying as server manager? to piss everyone off? let people who have experience from different servers take care of the server and just leave your spot to someone else

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2017, 05:30:13 pm »
I may repeat myself because your arrogant self locked the topic, but how can you convince yourself that you are "competing" with other servers? In terms of changes and updates? :D So you added the RTD plugin, good that shows you know how to download a plugin and install it on a server! Nicely done!!
Exactly, all I have done it add RTD, and a couple of maps, thanks for noticing :) And pretty mature conversations of yours.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 05:32:15 pm by Andrew~ »

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2017, 05:38:46 pm »
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   Social networks: just use it to promote the server. What i see is that  if we work hard on it we can success.(for example make an official topic requesting people to do a video or manage a social network , making them do a word document saying all what they have done to promote the server in the social network. It should be done they monthly)
We are doing that on facebook already, we wanna make a youtube video as well, but we're looking for someone capable of doing it
A-Yes but it is for the whole community and it should be more focused in prisonbreak. Even we should have a twitter account which is not difficult to do and manage. A topic could be done requesting people to do it and i am sure that a few fellas would accept it.

-   Change the maps many times, people like it and they want to try new map but having always  old and gold maps
The maps do change but unfortunately the more new additions we make, the more we receive complaints about old maps to stay, so at this point there's not much that can be changed without complaints coming. It's a matter of perspective.
A-Yes but that is why i write that we can keep gold and old maps and change the rest. Even a polling could be done in the forum to know what maps players would like to keep, it is easy
-   Get a DDoS IP protection backup to have 2 ips to join to the server (I have seen this in a few servers)
We already have a protection, but just like any protection, there is always a flaw/way to bypass it. There is a plan for a backup PB, but it's not in my hands to make it possible atm.
A-Good thing but it is important and it should be as soon as possible

-   Create new games , a topic where all can give ideas and try it out and make top 5 better games of the month/ 2 months (chosen by the own sm) and the first 2 will get gold. This will be especially important due to a suggestions written down)
Not a bad idea.
A-Thanks!

-   Add ghost plugin and try to make it work with the main plugin (in nd people love it). If not, change the current plugin for other (In my opinion if it needs to be changed because it is overload then do it. We didn’t have this plugin for years and nothing happened). Hey, I am totally aware that the current plugin and his HARD work is enormous
Tried it, didn't work. We'll try again, but don't count on it working, as I've said many times, there's some things we can't implement with the current mod.
A-I am not any kind of expert in coding but if tony's plugin is giving us some problems we could change it for another plugin as every servers have outside or ask him to improve it as much as  he possible can

-   Add only 170 min to be a ct,  the time of 4 maps, more than enough because the current  time requires a long period to be CT and players haven’t that patience -usually-
Most people actually have the time required, the problem is most people don't bother volunteer to go CT, and that's a main problem.
A-The current players have the time required but not the new ones that will be coming to the server and they dont have the same patience than others. That is why i try to encourage them to be cts even if they are new and you are not sure if he will do good/bad his job. So less time = more chances to get more cts and discover talent boys

-   Boost it 1 time per week (maybe)
That is happening already, and not just once per week.
A- Good, this is what  must be done

-   Have a staff who listen, help the server admins/players because we have not this at the moment. All we have are inactive admins or admins who dont  care a lot about helping.
Check the Gametracker stats about activity. And we do have staff that listen, or else you wouldn't have a server with gangs, gold, blackmarket, lottery, raffle, RTD, boosts, change of maps almost every month, VIP, personal skins and what not.
A-That is server manager job to get these tinhgs to the server even if some are not used, practically others dont exist or others are not done. But  i dont mean this, i mean the admins who are not enough or they barely listen the players or give ideas or try to improve the server as I am doing. I dont say names because each one knows what he does.

-   Change name from gold to “Ambrosia Pounds”. I am sure that they will enjoy the new name more than “gold” which sounds really normal.
Not something worth editing a whole plugin for, sorry.
A- It could be done approaching that we need to change/check some stuff into the plugin

-   Change the shop by adding and remove more/less stuff. It needs a serious update because at the moment it is boring and it doesnt offer much stuff.
It does offer a lot of things, but we have to keep it to a limit. It's a prisonbreak server, not a superhero one. There are already arguements over RTD being OP or not, we add things in market too, the CTs will be extinct.
A- It is not true 100% because the RTD has cooldown and it has more funny things than  stuff to kill the cts. Also the amount of gold that it would cost wouldnt be a cheap one so it is not a bad idea and people would use the blackmarket for somrthing because it is like a museum

-   Bring back blackjack yes or yes (important). It doesn’t matter if it is difficult or not, even if the plugin is changed.
Yes it does if it is difficult or not, unless you can code again the whole plugin, or get me a better one without flaws. We are still trying to do smth about it, but if it can't be done, it can't be done. The owners have addressed that themselves.
A-The same as i said before about the current plugin

-   I know how prisonbreak goes but we shouldn’t think “ it means this is a rolepay of a real prison so this must be as real as possible” it is better to do what players like if we want to bring players to the server so I vote to change the current skins for others which are cooler as all the servers have differents skins and pretty cool ones.
We have custom skins for everyone that wanna get them with some gold for exchange, we have a different T and CT skin, we might add more skins later on.
A-The current cts skin is the predetermined and the terrorists are always the same and they are not even that good so thats why i say to change them asap, it would give another look to/of the players

-   Add/remove admins directly -RIGHT NOW, NOT INTHE FUTURE- it is the most important thing.
Should I? Check Gametracker and tell me if I should.
A- No one can play daily 4 hours, but if one doesnt join for weeks, it is clear what should be done

-   Do 1 event every 2 weeks always, like: people in a topic apply for a team of 2 that will play a soccer match , they play the match and the result is written in the topic. People will play it and they ill be playing the server for the match.
Good suggestion, will be taken into consideration.
A- Thanks!

-DO a poll to know if people liked the map. When you add a map and after you play it, do a poll which says (for example): Did you like the map? Yes a lot, Not at all, regular. To know players opinions too and if we shoud remove or keep the map. They wont troll the polling as i have already done and it was a successful test.
There are stats that track what maps players vote for, and of course the map suggestions which get accepted. Good idea but we're already implementing it, hence we add the most popular choices.
A-They can play always the same maps but because they are like " oh wow rehab, vote for it" an they dont try the new maps and thats why we should not only implant new maps to make them start playing others maps and know if they liked or not once they play it for first time.

-   Remove old topics of jb section and leave the important/new.
That has happened many times already, but removing all topics from the board will simply make it look dead.
A- It is the less important thing. The server is not dead just because it got only a few topics. Certain topics can be kept (only the important ones as a suggestion of a player) but nothing else -talking about old topics-

-    Add Knife skins (they can choose between the predetermined and other more) showing them more skins in the list with no choice to have them without paying to be VIP. I have seen this in more servers and there were a few VIP to have the skins.Even in ND they have skins to choose.
Not a bad idea. I am already checking on skins, changed the default CT ones for a change, I promise to continue doing so.
A- Thanks!


-   -every 2/3 months do a polling to know who was the best commander, prisoner etc..
Not a bad idea as well, that is mostly the reason I did PB nominations, but I put that aside recently and it's my bad, apologies for that. However, we can't do it quite often, simply cause giving out gold every week will easily make the lose their value, especially when there are gold and VIP purchases. It can be applied every some months though.
A- The amount of gold given wouldnt be 3000K , just 400 for example. It is more for fun and make the players fight for a position thna other thing as get gold

-   It is prisonbreak, but we need to have limits. They can use the mic but never spam the mic to annoy the ct (cts will no longer have to say “spam you die”). The players use to mute veryone and then they cant know what the rest are commanding/saying.  Make limits in insults (they can flame all they want to each other always they don’t say nigger and these kind of words).
That cannot happen, unfortunately. This is the concept of PB, I can't do anything about it personally. There is a very open freedom, a T is allowed to spam the mic, and the CT is allowed to kill him for that, and you're allowed to mute him as well, and it won't affect anything on you, as the CT is commanding, not the T.
A- People even mute cts because they only laugh/scream or whatever and if we start changing the cts every times they act liek that we wouldnt have cts. The same for the rest of terrorists and even if it is roleplay in realife there are something called "polices" and "laws" and that should be implanted here. Even in a real jail there are rules.

-   -Make the ratio 1:3-1:4 oblitatory in any case.
The ratio is already up to 1:2 max, it is up to admins to enforce it, we can't do anything to force people to go CT.
A-I would make it 1:3, not 1:2, i see it as many cts and only a few can hold the situation. only in a very few exceptions there should be more cts

-Make 2 spectators: one which the ip of the ts3 server and other with the ambrosia website.
Good idea.
A- Thanks! (idea taken in a turkish server, wow)

-LR (Last Request)  needs to be fixed. With it I mean to add more games and remove others which are not good and never are used.
Once again, easy said but not done. Promise to look at it though.
A-In the past we had many games in LR so it would be once again a success

-HAT MENU: you press m and hat menu and there you can choose between many hats. It is cool because  ppl love to wear it and it doesn’t overload the server.
Will look into it, thank you for your suggestion.
A- Thanks!

-Add a command /prisonbreak or /pb in the server where you can find a full explanation about how it works. It is needed because when the server was boosted I was asked how this mod was played so it would help a  lot.
I am already working on that, but thank you for the suggestion.
A- it is more than necessary, good

-Take 1 hour 2 days every week to teach the interested players to be good commanders or even new admins to be good admins. It is easy to do and it can help a lot.
I do that with admins when necessary, but can't do it every week with players. That's your part in the server. I will possibly make a meeting on that later on and try help the players myself.
A- It is as easy as do a topic and tell players that 1 hour in 1 day there will be a class to teach how to be a ct. Who wants to be there can give their names and be there. it is not that difficult actually and it would help a lot

-MAPS: (only a few of them)
http://maps.cs-bg.info/maps/cs/3289/   it is in many maps
http://gamebanana.com/maps/162943 - again in many servers
http://gamebanana.com/maps/195379- the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/188451 - the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/187036 - same and we had this in the past
I will check on that list, thank you.
A- thanks!

-RULES TO BE ADDED:
No Racism nor excessive harassment of players
No Use of blank / offensive name or impersonating admins/players including alternate spellings.
The limits still apply in the server, there is an intro topic explaining that crossing some lines can get you in trouble. I cannot add any specific rules unfortunately, but that doesn't mean those are allowed, actions do get taken on that, you should know better than me about it.
A- there have been problems with people saying "nigger". Some like it or dont care and others simply dont want to let it go. You can think " it is said without a bad intention on it" but the context is not always a good ally so it would be better to simply forbbide  this. In am real jail there are rules too. "roleplay" is not always the excuse to let everything happen.

Now about your parragraph witten above:
Well, in my opinion in the last 4-5 there werent a lot of changes simply because you were afk for 1 month and that month the server was simply and literally dead with no players. This is a fact and the server only got 3 maps added (I dont remember the exact amount), others removed, rtd (because i suggested you) and not much more things. You cant compare with rambaten because he is working really hard, one of the best and more professional guys in this community at the moment. He implanted many things in surf and bhop and he made 2 successful servers and he even changed 1 server a few times. He searched the new TD mode but it is too new and no one played it and he made 1v1 server which is a success once again. You cant compare with rambo and his work. Also the same goes for your comparison between dd2 and jailbreak. In dd2 people go to shoot, nothing else, end.  One map, guns and done, you cannot cpmpare dd2 with jailbreak which is a roleplay of a real jail and it is a different mod. People dont join to JB to just simply shoot, they come to have fun, talking, obeying the cts to do games and also to use blackmarket, use skins (because in this mod you can enjoy these differents stuff that other server cannot has dd2) and more things. People join to a server because they like the people playing in it and they like the server. 50/50 if one is not good the other is neither. You should know this. Also above you were agreed with me about adding hats so i dont know why criticize this now. You have not investigated as me other servers or forums to know how to improve the server and it should be done by the server manager, not me. I can give you suggestions but i cant do your job as I am doing and now you are saying that you will do my suggestions, in other words, you will do what i told you because you were not capable enough to do what you had to do in all this time. I get that you  have your life as i have mine and the same for the rest you are lost your interest in jb (and i have a proof, a screenshot) and you are not doing properly your job and it is as easy as move and let others who are motivated and have experience to work too. You did a good job at the beginning but not now and i know/feel that many os uf think the same and that is why i request a new server manager because we dont deserve what we have now. I say this from the bottom of my heart. Dont use anymore the word powerhunger because it doesnt exist, it ischildish. It only exist motivated people who are ready to work hard and give their best in prisonbreak and people who want to progress in their lifes.

As i said before, Prisonbreak players, dont worry: Smile, together the server will be back

Offline Ed

Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2017, 05:38:51 pm »
Finally in 2016 i decided to move and try to be promoted to SM/HA (as you like to call it) and try to work and improve the server once for all. After helping Eros as much as i could and seeing that the server was empty and dead i offered myself for the job. Yes, i was denied. Andrew was chosen as SM and he did a good work. I did an admin application and eros once again (having in mind what i did) denied me.

The first sentence, gladly you are not denying it. You were annoying me while I was setting up the server. You gave me suggestions (which is the only thing you could do) which were completely off the subject of the server, time and time again I told you that the server is not old Jailbreak and that you need to see it and play it first to understand it, yet you were bothering me so much that it was obvious that all you cared is for you to be promoted, but not care for what I said. So simply didn't listen, same as the reason I had enough when I told you 3 times that we gave a fresh start to everyone who was banned in the past and they are not banevaders. 3 times? What do you do? Go and ban someone "he banevading"........... That was the last straw. The fact is that I could not even consider you for the position because of what you was doing. You didn't show me that you cared for the idea, you showed me you cared to only be SM. In the right mind no one who has sense would promote you.

You think you can do a better job, maybe, but you don't give me or anyone the confidence to do so. This suggestion list you have created. Honestly most of that is unusable and makes no sense, clearly you want the old JB back and I rather shut PB down and done with JB permanently, because old JB is not worth our time and money. You still don't have the right attitude towards the server and I can tell by the suggestions you are giving. I cannot have someone leading the server and the admin team if they don't see the direction to go to. Don't think it's a personal attack against you, but because of what you said, I had to say this.

[error]-   Social networks: just use it to promote the server. What i see is that  if we work hard on it we can success.(for example make an official topic requesting people to do a video or manage a social network , making them do a word document saying all what they have done to promote the server in the social network. It should be done they monthly)[/error]
I like how your first suggestion is "Promote the server" after you have said that the server is not ready to be played and advertised. Nutshell much? Advertising will happen when the server is ready and we have specific people appointed to do so. Why do you think I haven't pushed for it to be advertised. Clearly there is something wrong with the server, or rather the attacks we are getting all the time. Hence why we haven't had the chance. Also there is another reason, but that is for my mind only.

[error]-   Change the maps many times, people like it and they want to try new map but having always  old and gold maps[/error]
I explained it yesterday and maps are not the problem in the slightest. It is good to have a rotational list apart from that, I will personally go through what and how I see it fit for the maplist of JB. Andrew pretty much covered it.

[warning]-   Get a DDoS IP protection backup to have 2 ips to join to the server (I have seen this in a few servers)[/warning]
Do you have the money? These things cost money.. Ever thought of that? Regardless, it is already in plan to do so by Ron later on when we are ready to do so.

[error]-   Create new games , a topic where all can give ideas and try it out and make top 5 better games of the month/ 2 months (chosen by the own sm) and the first 2 will get gold. This will be especially important due to a suggestions written down)[/error]
Anyone can do this, no? You could approach SM and say you want to do this and all you need is his approval specially if you want to give gold away. See this is the thing, there are people who just complain without any help, then there's people who suggest tons, but don't take initiative to do something about it, and you are in this category. You are aiming for SM? Start by doing things what you can actually do. Take initiative. I like people who take initiative and do things.

[error]-   Add ghost plugin and try to make it work with the main plugin (in nd people love it). If not, change the current plugin for other (In my opinion if it needs to be changed because it is overload then do it. We didn’t have this plugin for years and nothing happened). Hey, I am totally aware that the current plugin and his HARD work is enormous[/error]
Plugin list on the server has to be kept at minimum and only to add things which are necessary. I do not see how ghost plugin will improve the quality of the server. We always have to be mindful of how many plugins we add as tony's plugin crashes on it's own and theres little we can do about it as it will happen due to being such a large mod.

[okay]-   Add only 170 min to be a ct,  the time of 4 maps, more than enough because the current  time requires a long period to be CT and players haven’t that patience -usually-[/okay]
I would approve of lowering the time. What is the actual time at the moment?

[error]-   Boost it 1 time per week (maybe)[/error]
Anyone can do this, no?

[error]-   Have a staff who listen, help the server admins/players because we have not this at the moment. All we have are inactive admins or admins who dont  care a lot about helping.[/error]
Are we in the same universe? I am sorry if I am going hard on you, but are you absolutely serious? Your activity isn't the greatest either also I don't see a lot of people applying to be admin which then in turn has a problem of server coverage. You cannot really say that admins are inactive, because f*** me, there are only 6 admins in JB (- tony as he is exempt and - Andrew as he is SM) So leaving 4 admins. Anyhow, there will be changes and I have figured another method of dealing with this issue.

[okay]-   Change name from gold to “Ambrosia Pounds”. I am sure that they will enjoy the new name more than “gold” which sounds really normal.[/okay]
Meh, gold is easier to say. Make a poll and let people decide, see other names to replace it as well not just 2 options. Again, you can do this, you can easily make a poll. Anyone can do these things, because if you are right, people will support the idea and vote for it. That also means we have to look into it because we haven't thought about it. Something I told you yesterday.

[error]-   Change the shop by adding and remove more/less stuff. It needs a serious update because at the moment it is boring and it doesnt offer much stuff.[/error]
Ok, so the plugin updates are probably not going to happen any time soon as I am inactive and Tony is not here either, I have asked of him a lot and I believe he doesn't expect me to work on constant updates for the server and I don't expect it from him. I will sooner or later address this issue with certain things, but not right now.

[error]-   Bring back blackjack yes or yes (important). It doesn’t matter if it is difficult or not, even if the plugin is changed.[/error]
No.

[error]-   I know how prisonbreak goes but we shouldn’t think “ it means this is a rolepay of a real prison so this must be as real as possible” it is better to do what players like if we want to bring players to the server so I vote to change the current skins for others which are cooler as all the servers have differents skins and pretty cool ones.[/error]
No, you don't know how "prisonbreak goes" because if you did, you wouldn't write the words you wrote here. No one is making it "realistic", are you realistically in prison? No. How do the skin change make the server realistic or unrealistic? This makes absolutely no sense. But again, you could of made skins or found the skins and made a topic about it and people could vote for it.
Yet again, you could of actually done the work ages ago. And you know what if you were doing these things, I would of noticed and I'd be like, heck he really wants to help JB grow and be better.

[error]-   Add/remove admins directly -RIGHT NOW, NOT INTHE FUTURE- it is the most important thing. If you check dd2 admin list you will see  admins who didn’t join for weeks or months and the current SM did a topic to write that they are active giving them 2 week or 1 month to answer. In my opinion it shouldn’t be like that, if they didn’t care about the server for weeks they have desmotrated how much they like the community or how much they wish to work. If they went afk, they had to give a reason if they didnt it is obvious.[/error]
What does DD2 has to do with JB? You are forgetting only 4 admins and there aren't that many worthy candidates applying at least in Andrews eyes. About removing them, it makes no difference, because think about it, does it affect server performance? No it only makes you and other admins bitchy about no admin being online. Everyone got a life too so we have to respect that and not look at other peoples needle in the haystack, because seriously you should only be as helpful as you can be and do your best.

[error]-   Do 1 event every 2 weeks always, like: people in a topic apply for a team of 2 that will play a soccer match , they play the match and the result is written in the topic. People will play it and they ill be playing the server for the match.[/error]
Anyone can do this? Can;t you organize it? Why does SM has to do that when he is doing other things as well? As you know Andrew has been inactive. So why not do it yourself? Heck you don't even need anyones permission to do this. Organizing things is good and you have the duty of care to do it yourself if you think it is a good idea. Why not?

[error]-DO a poll to know if people liked the map. When you add a map and after you play it, do a poll which says (for example): Did you like the map? Yes a lot, Not at all, regular. To know players opinions too and if we shoud remove or keep the map. They wont troll the polling as i have already done and it was a successful test.[/error]
Merely I cannot say it makes a difference. You can see in gametracker the most popular maps played. In other way, as you said you have been doing this, so why is this a suggestion? You can just tell Andrew that you made a vote and people said this about this map and then Andrew can think whether map is good or not.

[okay]-   Remove old topics of jb section and leave the important/new.[/okay]
I suppose it needs some cleaning indeed, but wouldn't worry about it just yet.
[okay]
-    Add Knife skins (they can choose between the predetermined and other more) showing them more skins in the list with no choice to have them without paying to be VIP. I have seen this in more servers and there were a few VIP to have the skins.Even in ND they have skins to choose.[/okay]
Funnily enough I already added a knife skin to the server last week. No one told me though ;) I tested it, it works. All I need to do is find good knife skins. But then again the knife plugin will add more download so again have to be mindful of what we add to the server.

[okay]-   -every 2/3 months do a polling to know who was the best commander, prisoner etc..[/okay]
It could be done.

[error]-   It is prisonbreak, but we need to have limits. They can use the mic but never spam the mic to annoy the ct (cts will no longer have to say “spam you die”). The players use to mute veryone and then they cant know what the rest are commanding/saying.  Make limits in insults (they can flame all they want to each other always they don’t say nigger and these kind of words). [/error]
And this is what I mean when I say you don't get PB. I explained it yesterday that the CT has the power to do things. Is it my fault that you are not creative enough to find the bugger? If you are commanding and because of your lack of attention someone escapes and starts shouting on microphone, you bloody deserve it. Because that's what I'd do. Did you know that if there is an admin online, you can bribe the admin to either revive the guy or slay him? Or how about bribe another prisoner to lead you to him? Or if all else fails and you can't find him? Kill yourself. There is a lot of freedom and options for CT's. as long as these are not abused, lets say you cannot keep bribing for the same thing as I have pointed out and also killing yourself just because someone escaped all the time, that would mean laming and you shouldn't be ct. --- this what I said yesterday, not sure if you missed it.

Insulting/Swearing is part of the fun of the server and it is allowed. When I do it in server I do it in good humor and that's what it should be like for most people, yet if people do take it too far, perhaps they shouldn't be there if they are taking things personally. I have said that the server is not for kind hearted and I am not going to change that.
[error]-   -Make the ratio 1:3-1:4 oblitatory in any case.[/error]
It's 1:2 already, even stated in the introduction to PB which apparently you have read? This is another thing when you were annoying me with suggestions, I told you read the topic, how many times I said? Because you weren't listening.

[warning]-Make 2 spectators: one which the ip of the ts3 server and other with the ambrosia website. [/warning]
There are advertisements on the server, which needs some updating. But mhmm, that wouldn't be a half bad idea at all, specially right now when the server has never been 32/32. First great suggestion which can actually be thought about. Well done.

[error]-LR (Last Request)  needs to be fixed. With it I mean to add more games and remove others which are not good and never are used.[/error]
It is not broken. Again as I said earlier, tony is not updating the plugin and lr is standard for the server. What makes the server different, it is the commanding officer/guard with his/hers commanding, which either makes it fun or boring. LR is only a thing to win over CT and get gold. Not a major thing, later on when there isn't much to do, that can be addressed.
[error]-HAT MENU: you press m and hat menu and there you can choose between many hats. It is cool because  ppl love to wear it and it doesn’t overload the server.[/error]
No.
[warning]-Add a command /prisonbreak or /pb in the server where you can find a full explanation about how it works. It is needed because when the server was boosted I was asked how this mod was played so it would help a  lot.[/warning]
I am sure there is MOTD which has the topic in it, if it is removed then thats another thing, I need to re-check that. This is on to do list either way.

[error]-Take 1 hour 2 days every week to teach the interested players to be good commanders or even new admins to be good admins. It is easy to do and it can help a lot.[/error]
Anyone good can do this. And if it's easy, why don't you do it?
 
[error]-MAPS: (only a few of them)
http://maps.cs-bg.info/maps/cs/3289/   it is in many maps
http://gamebanana.com/maps/162943 - again in many servers
http://gamebanana.com/maps/195379- the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/188451 - the same
http://gamebanana.com/maps/187036 - same and we had this in the past[/error]

Will check later.

[error]-RULES TO BE ADDED:
No Racism nor excessive harassment of players
No Use of blank / offensive name or impersonating admins/players including alternate spellings. [/error]
No.




In overall your suggestions as you can see, have been taken apart and now you have food for thought. It is easy to suggest, specially nonsense, but it is a lot harder to actually take an initiative and do things for the benefit for everyone without expecting that someone else is going to do it. Also, note to you,  I know you have been playing a lot in ND server hence why your activity lacks in our server. You are still aiming for the SM role, but unfortunately it will be a no as Andrew is actually doing things and he was doing things before he got accepted.

Take it with a pinch of salt, but if you like the server as much as you claim, there are a lot of things you could be doing yourself. Take charge instead of waiting for someone else to do this.
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Offline Andrew`

Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2017, 05:53:22 pm »
I have said this numerous times, and I'll say it again. Many things simply cannot be done, all jailbreak mods have flaws, so many things cannot be done. nD and other communities have other standards, and if you really paid attention you'd see they have problems as well, complaints, arguements etc... there is no perfect community or server, and noone said ours is perfect, but yes, arguements and finger-pointing help a lot(sarcasm). Like Ed pointed out greatly, it's not just about "I care about the server, I wanna help", it's a much different case. And no, I'm not perfect either, I apologise for that, but I can promise you I return from work at 12am every night, till 1-2am I check all messages/topics/suggestions and see what can happen, go to sleep, and then I gotta wake up at 7 to work. And of course my salary is a joke, but I try save money for boosting and facebook promoting.

@Lagger , remind me to PM you the nicks i join the server under at night on my other CS later today, I'm not home atm.

I think I'm done here, feel free to point, I'm right here.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 05:57:41 pm by Andrew~ »

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2017, 06:09:44 pm »
I will answer each thing you have said  in every suggestions later because right now i dont have time, but you are wrong in my things, like or not, it is like that and i will let you know when i have the time to answer the suggestions i've been saying.
About the first and last parragraph, i dont only care to be SM, that is not even near to be my first objetive as you think. As i said you called me "power hunger and i knew you were not helping me just because you wanted" you directly didnt give me the chance to help youwith everything i could as i was not even an admin in that moment. I know and i knew that PB is not JB and i prefer much more PB than JB as it is obvious from my point of view. You simply think that "i care the server i want to help", which is true because this is the main motivation of everyone but if the main guy is not caring why then dont you move him and make  other guy who is more motivated? You dont look at me as I am, you only  see from me what you think I am. You are not playing PB at all so you are not the indicated person to talk about activity and i said the same to Andrew. You got problems, andrew got problems i got problems, any of us have the time to play 6h daily as i said before but still there should be a basic activity not only in the server (which seem to be your only importance) but forum, investigations to know how to improve the server, ask players to know how they feel with the server etc. For you info, i have not been playing nD at all but  our dear players left for nD for your info, and it is not because "attacks" only or  "bad cts" as you have been mentioning all this time, this goes far away from these 2 simply reasons.

If the SM is not working and he is afk for 1  month, how do you expect that i work as hard/much as  i want?  It is not possible. Read up what lagger said, he didnt work and you still defend him sayign that he is doing things and he is perfect, no, he isnt ad good as you think. You dont even think on giving the chance to other players, just the same. Roni in this way is much better than you. He has respect, he listens to others and he always give the chance to others, he is much better in this way. You were working with andrew and thats why you promoted him instead of thinking about me. I banned him because I am not agree and i will never be agree to let play the guys who were banned no matter what reason they got. Would you let sonam play in the server in a fresh start? if so, you are crazy, not me. I have my ideas and my opinion and mine or yours are not less/more important. Many players demand a change and you dont want to see this. The server is not in good conditions and his management neither, this is the reality and we can change it easily. Theidea of the server is great and almost all like it but it is not being worked like or not. as i said i will answer 1 per 1 what you said about me and my suggestions when i got time at night, because you are wrong in many things (from my point of view), and it is not bad, speak is not bad, we share opinions, it is something constructive

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2017, 07:18:51 pm »
Right , nice to see the topic unlocked again to share my point of view towards this ,
First of all , i would like to start with admins and administration team in general case , i didn't get still why those inactive admins are not demoted yet ? you only demote who ban cheaters like sonam ? and about sonam , @ Ed yourself you told us that you will never give him a chance and now when i got demoted because i banned sonam so it's not allowed to ban sonam ? it's contradictory anyway , and yesterday when i talked to you ed about andrew i didn't get you saying don't talk about andrew he is not a god i think and i can criticize him , now im writting this because i see that im injusticed in being demoted because of sonam and talked ( he considered it a backstabbing) about andrew when he went inactive for 3 months and one another reason of my demotion its because i told two high staffs that he is doing nothing @Andrew~ ? am i wrong , even when they invited you and you finished talking to them you came to me in steam and kept on blaming me and saying why did you go to(One from the high staff team)and then told me to not do it again ? threatening me ? i complained to a high staff ? as everyone doing when they see that someone is not doing his job and especially you , im not rushing you , and comparing your self with rambatenn ? Huh , big difference mate , atleast he listen to their admins and trying his best this is just one thing from what he done and he is still doing .
About you said that u'r doing ur job ?
You your self told me that you don't want to waste your time in playing cs isn't it ? i think its just pointless being SM if you really don't want to waste your time , and @Ed why dont you comment on this ?
We have really several solutions but we can't implement . Basically , because u'r preventing us from developping the server ? ( don't consider me as powerhunger ) im not admin anymore , but i really see it injustice and sadly none enquired why i got demoted or how ? but only blaming me and telling me to stop provoking andrew , i wish @Sneaky~RoN  would look at this and hope you take an action about my demotion
PS : How many times i sent you really helpful suggestions about JB and you told me to not show you what to do ? is it even a reaction that an SM would do ? don't show me what to do? its like server is full
Regards ,
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 07:40:35 pm by Kay »

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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2017, 07:50:49 pm »
I will answer each thing you have said  in every suggestions later because right now i dont have time, but you are wrong in my things, like or not, it is like that and i will let you know when i have the time to answer the suggestions i've been saying.
About the first and last parragraph, i dont only care to be SM, that is not even near to be my first objetive as you think. As i said you called me "power hunger and i knew you were not helping me just because you wanted" you directly didnt give me the chance to help youwith everything i could as i was not even an admin in that moment. I know and i knew that PB is not JB and i prefer much more PB than JB as it is obvious from my point of view. You simply think that "i care the server i want to help", which is true because this is the main motivation of everyone but if the main guy is not caring why then dont you move him and make  other guy who is more motivated? You dont look at me as I am, you only  see from me what you think I am. You are not playing PB at all so you are not the indicated person to talk about activity and i said the same to Andrew. You got problems, andrew got problems i got problems, any of us have the time to play 6h daily as i said before but still there should be a basic activity not only in the server (which seem to be your only importance) but forum, investigations to know how to improve the server, ask players to know how they feel with the server etc. For you info, i have not been playing nD at all but  our dear players left for nD for your info, and it is not because "attacks" only or  "bad cts" as you have been mentioning all this time, this goes far away from these 2 simply reasons.

If the SM is not working and he is afk for 1  month, how do you expect that i work as hard/much as  i want?  It is not possible. Read up what lagger said, he didnt work and you still defend him sayign that he is doing things and he is perfect, no, he isnt ad good as you think. You dont even think on giving the chance to other players, just the same. Roni in this way is much better than you. He has respect, he listens to others and he always give the chance to others, he is much better in this way. You were working with andrew and thats why you promoted him instead of thinking about me. I banned him because I am not agree and i will never be agree to let play the guys who were banned no matter what reason they got. Would you let sonam play in the server in a fresh start? if so, you are crazy, not me. I have my ideas and my opinion and mine or yours are not less/more important. Many players demand a change and you dont want to see this. The server is not in good conditions and his management neither, this is the reality and we can change it easily. Theidea of the server is great and almost all like it but it is not being worked like or not. as i said i will answer 1 per 1 what you said about me and my suggestions when i got time at night, because you are wrong in many things (from my point of view), and it is not bad, speak is not bad, we share opinions, it is something constructive

Firstly, you wanted help when the server wasn't even set up properly. What should i give you, ftp access? Also, this server is my idea alone and you didn't have a clue, because you never played it how can you help me? I explained this to you, but you just ignored it. Who's fault is it?

Secondly,
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I searched for your name, these came up, clicked on each and last seen for some - april.....

Now i go search me and mind you i got one name:
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As you can see i got actually statistics, when I click on yours, you don't even have any stats. So if you are going to mention activity then I can assure you, I am more active than you are even without being active. And I admit I am not active, as you can see my color here. It is surprising that you are still barking up the same tree.

Thirdly. where did I defend Andrew? There are things he is right on and then there are things he is not. Stop the blame game already.
And also how do I not give chances to people? :D Erm ok... You? Yes, obvious reasons which I have stated already.
You banned someone called Tunisia after we did a reset. There were no banevading done for 6 months as Ambrosia's servers were down. Sonam is now, not before, so ofcourse I won't give a chance now, but if it happened, yeah I would. Because I am more forgiving and patient. Sometimes that patience gets tested though.


I don't want to see a change? What based on your suggestions which most are not thought through?

And Kay, there was something else I said in ts3 yesterday, but goes to one ear, out the other.

Anyway, you can continue your debate here as long as it doesn't turn into a war, which will mean that I will send this topic right to "Drama Corner". As for me, I have seen your suggestions and some will be implemented later on. Also there will be changes to certain things, I am still debating with myself about them. Once things have been thought through properly, you will see changes.

Thank you for your time.
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Re: My thoughts about PrisonBreak
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2017, 08:12:40 pm »
Firstly, you wanted help when the server wasn't even set up properly. What should i give you, ftp access? Also, this server is my idea alone and you didn't have a clue, because you never played it how can you help me? I explained this to you, but you just ignored it. Who's fault is it?

Secondly,
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I searched for your name, these came up, clicked on each and last seen for some - april.....

Now i go search me and mind you i got one name:
Spoiler (hover to show)

As you can see i got actually statistics, when I click on yours, you don't even have any stats. So if you are going to mention activity then I can assure you, I am more active than you are even without being active. And I admit I am not active, as you can see my color here. It is surprising that you are still barking up the same tree.

Thirdly. where did I defend Andrew? There are things he is right on and then there are things he is not. Stop the blame game already.
And also how do I not give chances to people? :D Erm ok... You? Yes, obvious reasons which I have stated already.
You banned someone called Tunisia after we did a reset. There were no banevading done for 6 months as Ambrosia's servers were down. Sonam is now, not before, so ofcourse I won't give a chance now, but if it happened, yeah I would. Because I am more forgiving and patient. Sometimes that patience gets tested though.


I don't want to see a change? What based on your suggestions which most are not thought through?

And Kay, there was something else I said in ts3 yesterday, but goes to one ear, out the other.

Anyway, you can continue your debate here as long as it doesn't turn into a war, which will mean that I will send this topic right to "Drama Corner". As for me, I have seen your suggestions and some will be implemented later on. Also there will be changes to certain things, I am still debating with myself about them. Once things have been thought through properly, you will see changes.

Thank you for your time.
You're saying it your self ? i won't give another chances to cheaters ? i banned sonam and was demoted because of him ? so ? and i told you that when you wanted to talk to me in ts3? you didn't even try to talk to andrew about my situation all you did is that you kept on blaming me why did you provoke andrew and when i told you yea, i admitted that i provoked him after my demotion not before it to make it clear and you said yeah you done it ur self so i can do nothing ? But now can you explain him saying i don't want to waste my time , its still need explanation , you just pass things like nothing happened ? but u'r owner you should listen to all of us and then take an action not immediately andrew did nothing(No one is perfect) and he will stay and none can replace him ? there are competent players , Alberto trying his best give him a chance like you did with andrew , how did you know that andrew would do great once you promoted him ? you didn't know that , you promoted him and by the time you knew that he deserve this rank ( that time ) now its different situation and another thing i didn't get why you was happy yesterday when they asked you about my demotion you were like happy about my demotion , im not ur ennemy , they accused me in cheating , hacking and i got accepted and i proved to you guys that they were really wrong .
WE ARE NOT MAKING DRAMA , BUT ENOUGH IS ENOUGH , Accusing people and prefering others won't work . and i didn't expect it from you tbh
Anyway , i'm sure that ron would take an action about my demotion :)
« Last Edit: June 29, 2017, 08:25:27 pm by Kay »