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[Ezzα]

Rawr i guess the only people who would have trashed it at .eu were the FM themselves. Anyway i kinda agree with Sycho on this topic, it never really got the chance for discussion before it was moved to drama which obviously leads to the point that Samuel has highlighted about. I personally see the majority of topics will be moved here in they were not given a chance to discuss.

[Pringles]

I think you're under illusion that people here are for your heads, when literally the only point we're trying to get accross is how the system behind Drama Corner is a stupid idea lol.

You didn't understand what I meant right? This may be an illusion in your eyes since but I can assure you that this will happen if we keep the same mentality as in .eu since we are technically the only ones who will punish (warn/moderate/mute/bans) members when it's necessary. If we kept the same mentality as in .eu, lots of members would be warned on a regular basis and since we are the only ones who have the right to punish members (except from Management that will interfere in more important situations) then we are more likely to get all the hate and all the drama. That's why @Eros wants us to adapt a different mentality in order to avoid punishing members on a regular basis and he wants an alternative way to the classic punishment ways. Now, we could let people do whatever they want but do you really believe that this would be a good decision to let people trashtalk and create drama about anything they want? You already know that this would be a ridiculous decision and in order to avoid punishing the concerned members for creating some unnecessary non-sense drama topics like this one, the Management (*cough* @Eros *cough*) has taken the decision to create the Drama Corner in order to intimidate its posters by the rest of the members who will come and post their opinion or dank meme. But keep in mind that I have never agreed with this system and that I'm only following the protocols that were established by the Management so if you want a more appropriate answer, then wait for @Eros since he was the one who created this corner and this topic that nobody has read apparently. I'm not the one who created this system so there is no reason to blame me for doing what the Management wants us to do.

And don't tell me that issuing a warning doesn't cause some kind of hate because this has been perfectly demonstrated in this topic, in the "Ambrosians" topic made by RoN when I warned Cocainee for insulting Ray and me, and this has also been showed by Razzi when I warned him after I deleted his spam post ("u") for the 3rd time in the jokes topic. So yeah, I'm not saying that we are getting all the drama/hate or whatsoever but if you would analyse the situation aptly, then you would understand that we are somehow more likely to be hated and to get the drama than in the "past".

Be honest about the entirety of 2015 when you had hydra community and the first signs from other people than thend questioning emperor team. I was maybe for 4-5 months forum moderator and I noticed some shady trashed topics for very unclear reasons.

I remember there were with ripball, alputo, jake, spaff...

This ^. Also how do you explain that my topics have been trashed while they weren't even 30% as dramatic as this one and my arguments did make sense contrary to these ones? Only because I took the decision to open my mouth about some previous staff members (Popay and RoN) without provoking them or providing some non-sense arguments? They still took it in a negative way but I didn't offend them because I provoked them but because of the nature of the topic (was criticising some of their actions but I already know that I should have kept my mouth closed). But anyway how is this topic better, seriously?

And no @Ezzαღ , it wasn't necessarily the FMs who used to trash these topics but specially the ex UCs and the ex CL so there is no need to blame "us" only (wasn't FM at that time but well). I would have never moved this topic to the trash/drama corner if it didn't contain any provocation at all and if the arguments did make sense. However, this wasn't unfortunately the case and therefore, I moved it to this corner.

[Rawrplus]

Be honest about the entirety of 2015 when you had hydra community and the first signs from other people than thend questioning emperor team. I was maybe for 4-5 months forum moderator and I noticed some shady trashed topics for very unclear reasons.

I remember there were with ripball, alputo, jake, spaff...

Okay first things first, I personally never trashed any serious topic, be it theEnd or whatever. Literally only serious topic I've removed was Roni's/Sami's topic and even that was because I wanted to solve the argument privately and not start any new flame-wars. And even that I talked through with them and later apologized for.  But apart from that, I ltierally left all discussion out there, no matter how hard people complained.

Also, Spaff and me were joking so I'm not sure what you are even talking about

About gumball and puto, I'm not sure how about you but I don't think posts like " fuck you all, i'm leaving fuck off bye, get cancer"  really contribute much to the discussion. Therefore, they were trashed. To me, it almost looks like you're implying we shouldn't have trashed anything altogether, which kind of defeats the purpose of forum moderation as in whole.

I don't know about the rest of moderation team, obviously you can't be responsible for everyone, but I can tell you noone was instructed to remove anything  I for one personally never removed any serious discussion from Ambrosia. I can't say with guarantee nobody from moderation team didn't, but if they did, they shouldn't have.  So yes, I might be biased, but to me your point seems invalid. It is true, some UCS, CLs were probably trashing topics maybe a bit too harshly, but to me it seems like an unfair generalization.

And @ReFresh I understand, but once again I'm repeating, I'm not blaming you for doing it. I completely understand that you're just following instructions, afterall that's what you were instructed to do in old Ambrosia as well, I think it's up to debate, whether the old warning system is better than this form of topc degrading in form of drama corner, to me the latter option actually seems more harmful. Either way, some members are bound to get angry, but I'd rather have some kids with their jimmies rustled, than having entire valid topics classified as drama. Once again, I'm not blaming anyone specifically from staff team, all I'm saying is, I don't think moving topics like this to Drama Corner is a good idea.

[Burzum]

refresh, i agree with u about cannot allow spam as used to be in .eu forum, that is pretty obvious

but cannot agree in trash (or move to drama section) every critic topic, whenever it starts to be spammed, or u should move almost every  single topic

Bess´ topic could fit perfectly in Ambrosia Discussion, or u could move it to Staff Complain board or Suggestion section, as u mentioned. if u see ppl are spamming in this topic, then warn them. but topic started with respect, and in good manners

and same as R+, im not blaming any of you. but yes who created this "drama  board"...... 

[Pringles]

refresh, i agree with u about cannot allow spam as used to be in .eu forum, that is pretty obvious

but cannot agree in trash (or move to drama section) every critic topic, whenever it starts to be spammed, or u should move almost every  single topic

Bess´ topic could fit perfectly in Ambrosia Discussion, or u could move it to Staff Complain board or Suggestion section, as u mentioned. if u see ppl are spamming in this topic, then warn them. but topic started with respect, and in good manners

and same as R+, im not blaming any of you. but yes who created this "drama  board"...... 

Just wait for @Eros to be online and to check this topic because I have no clue what to do/say to be honest. All I can say is that he has asked us to be more lenient regarding spam and topics like this one but I'm not even sure if the Drama Section is official or if it's still in a beta status.

Bess' topic would have perfectly fit in the Ambrosian Discussions Corner if he would have avoided using inappropriate words, provoking people and if he would have of course not given random non-sense arguments and examples in his non-sense topic like the one stating that I deleted his replies in the JB suggestions topic while it was a totally unnecessary example in the topic since I didn't delete his posts because they were spam (argument that he is apparently defending in his non-sense topic) but because I asked him to stop arguing in that topic and to wait for Popay to answer.

[Alves]

Finally the Drama Board is starting to live up to its name

[Santa]

all serios topics and compliments usually have drama , and thats something we have no control over, people with different point of views and  opinions will always keep arguing and dramatizing their points to prove them right. Drama will evantually happen whether we say yes or no for it.
And if every post will have drama  (which is a very common thing to happen in ambrosia) will be moved to drama board , then we will have no posts to discuss outside this board and everything serious will be only found here...
I suggest turning this into a chill board , and move it inside general off topic. this well make more sense , since people somehow cannot differentiate between drama and long serious arguments such as whats happening in here!

[thEnd]

Since bess haven't gave any reply, this isn't a serious report 

This is another banter, who cares is it called drama or chill?!

[Ed]

Hello there,

Lets get few things straight.

Who made the Drama Corner? - I did.
Who wrote the Drama Corner Guidelines? - Mostly Tony and small edit by me.
I will be making an extra topic in this board to explain few things as I realize that people are confused.

The reason this board is here, is to not spam the rest of the forum with fights, hence why it is all moved here and it can continue here. We contain it here.
Yes it is named a Drama Corner and as I can see some people have already gone a bit over the extreme, one of the extreme topic I had to delete by Ray.
One very and extremely crucial part you are missing and surely did not understand it from the sticky topic in this board. No topics will be locked by Moderators or Management in this board. I was tempted to lock this topic yesterday and today. I did lock it, but then unlocked immediately as I made this rule and I am sticking by it. You are protected from moderation here unless it breaches our official forum rules. This is one way of letting you express your frustrations and anger etc. As some have said that this board is demeaning, in a way I can understand why it would seem so, but if you take into account what I just said, then you are looking at completely new ball game. We are gamers and it is only fair that we give people the chance to talk. You know what is worst? You complain that it is in Drama section, but to be fair, if it was anywhere else, you would still get all those replies just the same, saying "drama" etc.

Does Ray and Refresh have immunity? - No. They would get forum warning or removal from Moderator team if they made this place unbearable by their actions.
Did Bess topic deserved to be moved to Drama Corner? - Absolutely yes!

Bess, you seem to have ignored my response and just continued more about the "spam"... Moderators have already made that point clear that we are more lenient on spam posts, but then again everything seems to be categorized as spam these days. I see funny posts, sarcasm etc. That is what exactly gamers do. If you was warned/moderated, your replies deleted in .EU, (I am going to be rude here) - Why the fuck are you here talking about EU when we are in COM with new thinking/mentality, new management and revamped Ambrosia? I apologize for my rudeness, but this is the main reason this topic was never in any place to be put. To be fair, you complained about this, because you see a lot of people shitposting here. http://ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=7751 I am going through your posts and 10% of all the posts you've made are actually useful. I am not attacking you, but I believe you are out of order to tell someone else off, when you claim that all your posts are meaningful when they clearly are not. I don't like liars and I don't like BS. You seem to be mistreated badly, hey I get that, I am sorry that you have been mistreated in .EU. But please for love of the god, don't bring old stuff which we are over and done with.

Next time make a Staff complaint if you don't want this to go to Drama Corner, just saying.

I will explain at a later point the Drama Corner's functions.

[thEnd]

A few guys dreams just crushed.. 

I don't know why but some people are so big nerds that they actually fancy popays aproach regarding forums. Where no smiling and no sex is allowed. 

#drama

[Andrew`]

refresh, i agree with u about cannot allow spam as used to be in .eu forum, that is pretty obvious

but cannot agree in trash (or move to drama section) every critic topic, whenever it starts to be spammed, or u should move almost every  single topic

Bess´ topic could fit perfectly in Ambrosia Discussion, or u could move it to Staff Complain board or Suggestion section, as u mentioned. if u see ppl are spamming in this topic, then warn them. but topic started with respect, and in good manners

and same as R+, im not blaming any of you. but yes who created this "drama  board"...... 

I don't think there can be any exact standards on when a topic is totally drama, High Staff will keep moving topics based on their personal judgement which is subjective of course.  Long story short, I find this board useless, and even if, as @ReFresh stated, this could prevent topics being locked and trashed and be moved here, this won't change much as they will still be under the impression of something dramatic = useless that should've just been trashed.

Long story short, remove the board and stop naming everything "drama".

[thEnd]

We have a topic where we all can bitch about things we don't like.

Like you bess, you bitched about us "the alleged spamers". I have to agree with Eros, however not me and not any other accused spamer have highlighted your usuless topics we are cool with that

Some other guys, you bitched here that you don't think it's the right way how to end up discussions.

Me and a few others bitched about you monks.. Why the hell you don't wanna topic, post count free where you can bitch about someone (in a friendly manner) and just to avoid the casualties, name it drama and move on?!

Why bitch about something that have been invented based on mistakes that have learnt from old ambrosia?!

[dAmss.MSI]

Why don't we make a vote? @Eros , start a vote saying whether we keep this topic or not, then everyone can realise the truth about it. People will just argue about it and no one accepts to the other's opinion.

[thEnd]

Why don't we make a vote? @Eros , start a vote saying whether we keep this topic or not, then everyone can realise the truth about it. People will just argue about it and no one accepts to the other's opinion.

Soz mate, I just aquiered veto vote.

So yeah, VETO.
No voting.

Nothing personal

[Rawrplus]

Soz mate, I just aquiered veto vote.

So yeah, VETO.
No voting.

Nothing personal

Hold on there, we don't want to kill the community off for good