Author Topic: Unofficial Jb rules. (Read 479 times)

'PL' · « **Reply #20 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:40:05 pm »

1I didn't understand one bit of your edit monster

2Flashlights can use only ct's - config editable
3??? - that is logic lol
4If a ct doesn't feel to clean up the vent, he don't have regulation to tell them that they have 30 secs in vent. In multiple times i just let them stay there ...
5Is clear to me...

SNap · « **Reply #21 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:46:42 pm »

Only CTs are able to use flashlighs so the rule can be removed. If any CT is spamming, admins can easy see who is doing it.
The rules can be made more clear and as Monster i dont like the style they are posted too. I prefer the old rules style. However Sami you did well with removing the old and useless rules.

Ed · « **Reply #22 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:53:19 pm »

8.2. It was added in old rules under different format I just changed it and made it simply as cheating is not allowed. Otherwise explaining more is not necessary as swim mean swim and following the command exactly as said is to follow the command as exactly said. Simple.

Actually I disagree, reading all the time repetitive words make rules boring and not enjoyable. I made them in the most sufficient way so people who are new could read them quickly through and memorise. Also it is not hard to scroll back up and see whether it was T or CT rule.
Explaining is good, but my personal experience shows that people don't read the rules and if they did they didn't understand them anyway. I learned rules by playing the game, so this is an easy way to quickly look through not read like a book. Also by having large texts there's a fat chance that every rule will collide with each other not to mention that because of you people who also took hands in the original rules adding and configuring them after made even more mess, but I think it was messy before.

Haha and no, I was thinking to put that after every rule - you risk of being kicked transfered etc.. Again people don't want to read same thing over and over again, this is the reason I added :

Quote

By breaking these rules you risk being transferred back to T team or kicked without a chance to be CT again for the following map.

About the vent rule, actually even in the old rules it is not stated and no one bothered really to look at this rule from different situations, that's why this rule got so many gaps. Usually CT don't go in the vent after he have already been there (after 30sec warn) so this is discussable only in admin meeting.

MonsteR · « **Reply #23 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:54:45 pm »

Off topic: HAHAAHHA as i see bulgarian ppl like more explanations

On topic: Replica you are saying the 5th is clear for you yes it is clear for me too i mean all the rules are clear for me too but think about the new players who hasnt played JB before. As i said some of them are more like key words which will make you remind the rules but not learn them.

Sami yes i agree rules must be a bit easyer to be read but this is too much for me but as you know: different ppl - different thinking.
And about the phrase risk of being kicked.... i dont think you must say it after every rule but some of the rules need this thing after them in my opinion.
Also what do you mean we have touched the rules? All what we did was removing 1-2 rules which no longer exist nothing more.

Ed · « **Reply #24 on:** February 25, 2012, 09:56:48 pm »

Oh and what *PL* said about the vent that he lets them in too, I do the same, I don't bother to give warning as if I do, they come out and I can't kill them. - that's another thing to add.. This rule is complicated if you look from some sort of a newb point, but for us it is merely common sense I think.

Snap.. The rule must stay, CT can abuse it too, so it is just common sense to have it.

About the style? well both styles are made by me

the old ones through and through me. But I think we need easily readable rules.

Ed · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2012, 10:00:19 pm »

Monster, but that is the point, to remind them, they will only learn in game. No one bothered to read the old rules only admins and rarely some ppl who bothered, but not everyone else. Do you think I read them when I started? I learned 80% in game. I say that it will help new guys to quickly understand what is what, and new guys want everything fast

Of course I could edit the old rules and cut the crap out, but leave the long explanations. Then we could leave 2 topics for rules and ask around new guys which ones did they bothered to read at all. It is maybe just a theory, but pretty much I know how I was when I started and so everyone else. You guys are experienced that's why you think from this perspective.

MonsteR · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2012, 10:07:12 pm »

Quote from: sami<3 on February 25, 2012, 10:00:19 pm

Monster, but that is the point, to remind them, they will only learn in game. No one bothered to read the old rules only admins and rarely some ppl who bothered, but not everyone else. Do you think I read them when I started? I learned 80% in game. I say that it will help new guys to quickly understand what is what, and new guys want everything fast (Image removed from quote.)

Of course I could edit the old rules and cut the crap out, but leave the long explanations. Then we could leave 2 topics for rules and ask around new guys which ones did they bothered to read at all. It is maybe just a theory, but pretty much I know how I was when I started and so everyone else. You guys are experienced that's why you think from this perspective.

Yes actualy when i turn back my memorys i was the same too but after snap was teaching me the rules he told me to make and account in the forum and later on i saw the rules and read them then i understood some stuff which i though i know seemed to be a bit different.

Also i yes that was the word which i was searching for: "style" so what i mean is the style is not good as snap said. And i like the old rule style too.
And sami yes i think it is better if you cut the useless things from the old rules and ofc leave the explanations because i still think they are needed if you really want to go pro then you must know the rules on 100% - "Not just to know that you are not allowed to do something but to know why"

And last if you remember i did a topic with new rules too. For me they must be made like this. I dont mean the rues and all the crap you can read there i am talking about the style in which they are made. I like it idk about the others...

This is what i am talking about: http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/forum//index.php?/topic/1900-new-jb-rules-suggestion/ i know there is some crap which can be removed but still i like them. Actualy they are on 90% the same as the official rules but ordered in a different way and better explain (in my opinion)

Ed · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2012, 07:27:19 am »

Bit of an update on this one.

Burningsoul · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2012, 10:13:14 am »

I am used to the old rules and i dont want this to be changed.. If i have learned them anyone can... I am not a genius...
I know these rules and i am not willing to learn new ones only because someone has problems with the brain or doesnt want to use his brain...
If you want to play jb you will sit and read these rules (which are now) for 15 min and done... Its not like reading the bible and you need to remember every single word in it...

Burningsoul

JF · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2012, 11:45:16 am »

Indeed, it's easier to keep the old rules. I mean, there's only 45 of them and most of which are quite short as well.
The lingual part can always be edited to make it more clear and easier to understand.

Ed · « **Reply #30 on:** June 11, 2012, 02:36:35 pm »

I know dozens of players who never read the rules simply because of how long they are.
And these rules are not new. They are the same rules what we got now, just shorter version and easier way for players to read and understand.

Also I have had some good feedback about my version from other players telling me that it was way more easier to read and they remember them better than the old rule style since it's in complicated language and a lot of read.

MonsteR · « **Reply #31 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:14:15 am »

I was read this rules again and i find them good but still too short i mean here you can see about 80% of the rules and to be good you must know all the 100%... I will type down when i mean later today or tomorrow.

Rawrplus · « **Reply #32 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:21:58 am »

Would you mind if I did some design editing on this topic.

Because that blueredblue colorswitch isn't looking very nice.

/ Just little thing, otherwise a nice topic.

MonsteR · « **Reply #33 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:26:53 am »

I had made this long time ago: http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=1900.0

And i like the style more and as you can see they are redused rules but still you can learn the rules on 100% And ofc i need to reupdate them as some of the rules there are removed and new rules are added since November...

Smaj Lee · « **Reply #34 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:49:05 am »

I like the rules,i think that all is very explained and understandably.Good job Edgars

JnaN- GM? · « **Reply #35 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:54:47 am »

Quote from: Burningsoul on June 10, 2012, 10:13:14 am

I am used to the old rules and i dont want this to be changed.. If i have learned them anyone can... I am not a genius...
I know these rules and i am not willing to learn new ones only because someone has problems with the brain or doesnt want to use his brain...
If you want to play jb you will sit and read these rules (which are now) for 15 min and done... Its not like reading the bible and you need to remember every single word in it...

Burningsoul

My thinking it's just the same. I think that our official rules are good enough. Understandable too ..

check MonsteR topic about it .. i think they are pretty good

JF · « **Reply #36 on:** July 12, 2012, 11:58:59 am »

Who the hell keeps reviving old topics all the time....

It's been said a billion times already, that the current rules are understandable already.

Ed · « **Reply #37 on:** July 12, 2012, 03:40:01 pm »

It was Monster, you have a problem with that?

Besides it was never decided about rules.

I can edit the colours Rawrplus

And Monster, I prefer to keep this as if someone wanted quickly to read them then the basics are here you need to know. For more explained rules the original then.

MonsteR · « **Reply #38 on:** July 12, 2012, 07:26:16 pm »

As ED said I revived the topic. As i find the current rules too long.

So as i said the current rules are long but well explained and ED's rules are a bit like a plan...

Anf too much things are missing. For example what i remember at the moment is that you dont say anything about that Ts can kill CTs if the CT is in the cage and the vent rule isnt well explained (if CTs see other T going in the vent they must start counting 30 sec again and that they cant say vent 30 sec if they dont see some1 going inside the vent) Many other things like this are not writen that is why i dont accept this rules.

Also i still cant get used to this style what is mean for example is:

Officer do not:

blablabla
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Kill T for opening cells even if stated not to open cells. If a T opens cells it is a free day.
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After you read some lines you forget if CTs are or arent allowed to do this and you can get confused i prefer if it is:

Officers are not allowed to kill T for opening cells even if stated not to open cells. If a T opens cells it is a free day. (for example)

Regards

Ed · « **Reply #39 on:** July 12, 2012, 08:14:02 pm »

This format is used by law actually therefore I like it. If you get confused you re read the top line for each section.

I will review the rules later and add if something is missing.