[JB]Regarding some members of the administration team

[Pringles]

Hello guys.

So today, I joined the Jailbreak server after 3 months (my nick was v_1 or something like that) and was a bit surprised by the behaviour of some of the administrators.

Keep in mind that this is not a report nor a complain and that I'm just expressing myself regarding some events that took place recently.


The first situation concerns @Alcapon and @nAb -FNN

Two of the current administrators (Alcapon and Nab) were Officers when that occurred. Alcapon was the commander and made an educational/teaching game. The game consisted in asking questions about a specific subject to a specific player. So he started his game and he asked for a volunteer. As I was willing to volunteer, I was the first prisoner to play the game. So, Alcapon chose the subject and asked me a math question that required a bit of reflexion (does e^x cross x=0 ?) and as I didn't have the time to think, I was killed few seconds later. Everything was going fine at that moment even if I stated in the chat that the question was a bit complicated and that I didn't have the time, but it was part of the game so it wasn't a problem.

Things started getting different when the rest of the prisoners played the game (from the second one to the last one until Alcapon died). The prisoners had for some reason the right to choose the subject of their question while I wasn't granted that right when I volunteered to play the game. As I was a bit surprised and disappointed at the same time, I decided to express myself and to let Alcapon know that he was disrespecting the rules by being biased while it's clearly stated in the rules that an Officer cannot be biased while playing a game. But instead of answering by knowing that he had a microphone and that voice communication takes less time than chat communication, he decided to ignore me for the rest of the round. As I needed an explanation, I kept asking Alcapon without really spamming as I wasn't flooding the chat nor repeating myself.

But things started getting worse when an other administrator (Nab) decided to interfere while the situation didn't concern him at all. He took the decision to issue a gag on me (without warning me nor giving me an answer) and he justified his action by saying that I was spamming while it wasn't the case. I might have tried to get an answer from Alcapon's part but as I said previously, I wasn't flooding the chat nor repeating myself so his action was totally unjustified as he didn't issue a warning anyway and incoherent because the situation involved an other administrator who decided to remain silent. Things got solved when a third administrator (Thrashmands) decided to interfere as well but in an appropriate way contrary to the others. He showed more comprehension and decided to ungag me from the server. He also managed to get Alcapon's attention who decided to offer me a freeday instead of simply giving an answer to my question. The problem with Nab wasn't only his unreasonable action but his bossy attitude as well since he was trying to defend Alcapon while he was totally wrong.


The second situation concerns @~RoN

Few rounds after the first situation, RoN joined the server. At that moment, Jake was the commander an decided to start a cell day. During that cell day, he asked the prisoners to crouch, look down and freeze. As I totally understood his command and didn't have the intention to rebel, I decided to follow his command but as I was following the command, I saw that 2 prisoners were killed instantly without any previous warning shot. As I was a bit surprised but didn't care that much, I said at that moment : "no warningshots GG". But guess what? I was kicked instantaneously for writing this statement. I know that I was probably wrong as the players might have gone AFK but does that mean that he had the right to kick me for writing a statement that was not even wrong? My intention wasn't to get toxic nor to whine as this didn't concern me at all even if you might believe that like you have shown in the conversation that we had in private.

Furthermore, your action wasn't reasonable at all. There were better ways to solve an "issue" like that one by communicating for example or by contradicting my statement but you decided to take an action unreasonably as it was easier and faster. And aren't you supposed to issue warnings before taking actions or has the administration policy changed drastically since I resigned? Let's not forget that this was the only time that you saw me in the server as I was having a different nickname and that you didn't recognize me at all. Is this how one is supposed to threaten players when he doesn't know them? Moreover, I don't understand why you decided to take an action on me while the officer who was concerned by this statement is an administrator himself. Aren't you supposed to evaluate your administrator's potential and work while being in the server or is it better to do everything in their place?


As I said at the beginning, I'm not reporting anyone nor willing to create drama as I'm not a regular player anymore and that I'm not really into the server.

My intention was to express myself regarding 2 situations in which we can perfectly see that trying to communicate with the administration team has become difficult.

It just saddens me to see this kind of things happen while 2 of the most experienced Jailbreak players are managing the server and that's why I started this thread, in order to have your opinions regarding these situations.

Cheers.

[P o p a y]

Thanks for expressing yourself.

Cheers,
Popay

['PL']

Hmmm...

What about evidence?

Otherwise this makes a nice bedtime story, like I see in this post accusations and serious rule breach if your testimony was to be true.


Now here is vitality to your stand from what I gather that your point of view happened.

Even if you were to volunteer, capon did not state any advantageous backdrop to begin with. Unless it's not stated, it's can be exploited. Capon in that case pulled a evil trick to get somebody killed easily by just "volunteering" to get killed. Couple of primitive ways used to exist before like "get in the gunroom" to be the most used trick. The question he came up was to be answered by him only as e^x cross x=0 doesn't make sense because it a mathematical contradiction. e^x is the first mathematical expression, euler's number on x degree "cross" x=0. What is this cross? if anything we know that x equals 0, which any number on exponential degree that is zero is 1 always.
Again if you summarized his question, it's not a question but a partial reference.

By Alcapon choosing to ignore you, an additional interference was required as the chat was probably filled (having the idea that the server is peaking at 12 players, meaning no responsive chat) by your messages from another administrator. In his choice to assign a censorial attribute for sake of keeping the flow positive, he is pretty innocent. You are disturbing their atmosphere, how was that disturbance caused is unknown but it's a disturbance nevertheless. Usually administrators don't ignore for no reason, unless the question is "stupid" or wasteful of "efficient" energy management. Or far fetched that he was engaged into something else(again impossible because the workforce=players are pretty static and low since is 2015).

So to favor your view, nab caused a misunderstanding and ripball took it off(Factoring a discussion that did occur in the admin chat which takes time). If anything, nab could have messily said sorry if your honor or goodwill was broken that triggered you to voice your problem.

 Third paragraph:
Not really much to say, but that response anywhere if it's not supplemented with a obvious sign that is sarcastic or careless will lead to a kick.
As the delivery falls short and by knowing that you did cause problems beforehand, roni decided you are a plain ol troublemaker. So for future terms, always be careful with delivery of one's set of ideas. If jake did commit instant elimination of player numbers, some evidence can support this, otherwise it's a double edge sword.

[Ray]

Replica, no proof actually needed, this isn't a report.

[~RoN]

I have talked to 3 of my administration members. Remember one thing I have said if you want to have a discussion with me I have no problem to talk to you in ts3 whats bothering you but you kept on going while I asked this discussion to end. I said the same to my administration you can ask them. They stopped they even were willing to give you à free day. As ex Head Admin you should know that this kind of discussion disturbs the server. And nobody was ignoring you I joined in good time. They were handling à cage day so i think they were waiting until the next round. And about the statement you made got you kicked how you are supposed to know for what they killed these 2 guys when you didnt see. So you made à fals statement just to have another argument with the admins that were online. I dont understand whats wrong with you these days dont you have anything else to do ?  Me and popay are managing the server and we know what we are doing this is not my first day in Ambrosia managing jailbreak server. And dont forget one thing I see what happens in the server everyday and i see who is abusing and who is not. And I know everything whats going on in the server. 2 days ago one guy didnt say anything in the server just to avoid arguing in server he came to me and simple as that the case was solved but you decided to continue. I stated clearly in members meeting i said stay Professional and if you have a problem with one admin that is doing something wrong then please contact me. Because I can not run behind you all and ask you whats the problem so please next time avoid to start such discussion in server since its not the place to have a discussion. Its à server where people want to enjoy playing and not see an admin arguing with a player. I do not have a problem you expressing your self but do it in the right place.

[Alberto]

these situations are really trivials. If we had a """expressing my opinion""" topics like this we should have 4 HA and 3 HAA to deal with it. As far as i can see you were annoying them with a trivial situation and in the second you wanted to fight and they didnt let you and you tried to continue the fight here and  this topic didnt help you, just showed your real me.

It is the first time that you play after 3 months and you fight with 3 admins and make a topic complaining about it, bad idea. Try to defend yourself evne when there is nothing left to say. Try to defend yourself even when there is nothing left to say oh yes, wait some hours to think a good answer to try make see ourselves as idiots/saying idiotics things and you as the one who is the only good as you are usually doing.

[Pringles]

I have talked to 3 of my administration members. Remember one thing I have said if you want to have a discussion with me I have no problem to talk to you in ts3 whats bothering you but you kept on going while I asked this discussion to end. I said the same to my administration you can ask them. They stopped they even were willing to give you à free day. As ex Head Admin you should know that this kind of discussion disturbs the server. And nobody was ignoring you I joined in good time. They were handling à cage day so i think they were waiting until the next round. And about the statement you made got you kicked how you are supposed to know for what they killed these 2 guys when you didnt see. So you made à fals statement just to have another argument with the admins that were online. I dont understand whats wrong with you these days dont you have anything else to do ?  Me and popay are managing the server and we know what we are doing this is not my first day in Ambrosia managing jailbreak server. And dont forget one thing I see what happens in the server everyday and i see who is abusing and who is not. And I know everything whats going on in the server. 2 days ago one guy didnt say anything in the server just to avoid arguing in server he came to me and simple as that the case was solved but you decided to continue. I stated clearly in members meeting i said stay Professional and if you have a problem with one admin that is doing something wrong then please contact me. Because I can not run behind you all and ask you whats the problem so please next time avoid to start such discussion in server since its not the place to have a discussion. Its à server where people want to enjoy playing and not see an admin arguing with a player. I do not have a problem you expressing your self but do it in the right place.

The problem was that nobody bothered to let me know that communicating regarding some issues in the server must be avoided. As I was used to the previous mentality in the server and to the previous administration team, I decided to express myself regarding some issues and to let the administrators know that they were committing some mistakes. But instead of having an immediate answer regarding the issue or a warning at least, I was gagged unreasonably by an administrator and some time later, you came to the server and you kicked me for making an ironical statement.

I understand that you are not willing people to communicate regarding some issues in the server as it may be a source of useless conflicts between players and that you want people to do that in private instead but the problem is that this wasn't the case when I was managing the server. As a manager, my intention was to promote communication between administrators and normal players in order to make the administration team autonomous and to let them learn about their possible mistakes and about how to act in a professional way. But as you have a different mentality regarding this issue which I totally understand, I guess that I should have not bothered to communicate with the administration team but to let you know about the issue in private instead of making it public.

But as I said previously, the problem is that I wasn't aware of that until now. It was basically the first time that I play in the server by having Popay and you as managers. I also know that Popay used to do the same thing as you and tried to avoid some communications between members in forum for example regarding some issues in order to avoid useless debates, but I managed to understand his point of view. I also managed to let him know that communication and expression doesn't always lead to arguments or fights and that if one is willing to lead an appropriate communication then I don't see any reason of why this should not be allowed in the server nor in the forum.

But well, I guess that you still fail to comprehend my point of view since you are still thinking that everything you are doing is somehow right which makes you unable to interpret my opinion. All I can say is that we have a different point of view regarding professionalism and that in my eyes I wasn't lacking of professionalism as my intention was to let them know about these problems. I'm also pretty sure that if I would have joined the server with my real nickname, they would have shown more respect towards my opinion and would have probably understood my point of view but as I was just a random player in their eyes, they took the decision to ignore my point of view and to promote theirs while they were being wrong.

As I said several times in this post, the only reason I decided to continue was because I had no idea regarding the mentality of the administration team and because I was not issued a warning. But anyway, is there really a difference whether I decide to make some issues public or private? I know that some particular cases shouldn't be made public as they may involve some personal aspects or some conflicts that should be restricted to a small audience (High Staff corner) but I always tried to show transparency when I was managing the server and I'm still trying to do it while expressing my opinion regarding some issues. Some people may believe that I tend to complain or to whine for useless things very often only because I tend to make my issues public instead of private but do you really believe that it's the case? Should I always have the feeling that I'll get this kind of feedback while making an opinion public instead of private?

The only reason why I tend to make my issues public is to let a maximum amount of people know about the issue and to make some of these people express themselves regarding the issue. That allows me to evaluate their opinions and to consider whether my opinion regarding the issue is wrong or right and to reconsider some parts of it if needed. But to be honest, I don't have that feeling while reading your opinion because I know that you are being biased by your point of view and that you aren't really able to open your mind and to understand my opinion as I understood yours.

Cheers.

[RAMBATEN]

Thanks for expressing yourself.

Cheers,
Popay

LOL..why don't you post something negative towards Refresh..IT IS CRITIC towards AMBROSIA!!

['PL']

Thanks for expressing yourself.

Cheers,
Popay

LOL..why don't you post something negative towards Refresh..IT IS CRITIC towards AMBROSIA!!

Least he doesn't erupt like you do rambi boi.
Anyways would seem refresh elaborated his thoughts on the matter, I don't see more room what else is to be talked about here.

His advice and suggestions are critically positively accepted as he doesn't have a vulgar approach to a confrontation, so popay seeing him as a former head admin gives him a ideal red carpet.

[Pringles]

Anyways would seem refresh elaborated his thoughts on the matter, I don't see more room what else is to be talked about here.

An answer from RoN's part (and the rest of the concerned administrators) would still be appreciated.

['PL']

Anyways would seem refresh elaborated his thoughts on the matter, I don't see more room what else is to be talked about here.

An answer from RoN's part (and the rest of the concerned administrators) would still be appreciated.

Well I think roni has the right to decide if he wants furthermore additional feedback from the related admins. So I'll let him decide what he wants to do with this topic.

[Alberto]

these situations are really trivials. If we had a """expressing my opinion""" topics like this we should have 4 HA and 3 HAA to deal with it. As far as i can see you were annoying them with a trivial situation and in the second you wanted to fight and they didnt let you and you tried to continue the fight here and  this topic didnt help you, just showed your real me.

It is the first time that you play after 3 months and you fight with 3 admins and make a topic complaining about it, bad idea. Try to defend yourself evne when there is nothing left to say. Try to defend yourself even when there is nothing left to say oh yes, wait some hours to think a good answer to try make see ourselves as idiots/saying idiotics things and you as the one who is the only good as you are usually doing.

and happened exactly what i said at the second parragraph

[Nutella]

Fak , this shit still goes on ,old JB was a bit biased , new comers have crossed the limit tho. Peace , keep on going with the good work guys, hope the server gets back on its tracks.

[bucK]

Fak , this shit still goes on ,old JB was a bit biased , new comers have crossed the limit tho. Peace , keep on going with the good work guys, hope the server gets back on its tracks.

when was the last time you played jb  oh wait ! long time ago 

[BuddyTrollsten]

Nab does have a weird bossy attitude, I was hiding in HNS day, and Nab came to the same place and it was too small for both of us so it was sticking out, I first asked him to leave, he  ignored me and I asked him again he ignored me, when I finally said gtfo this place he goes out says "k" then slays me, then tells me to show respect?
I have the demo and screenshot, but I'll have to look for it since It was just about less than a month ago, and I have no intentions to actually report in the staff complaint section.
Just telling you all that Refresh is right on this one (when is he ever wrong? )

[JustGo]

its like 100% if your tag was refresh you wouldn't get a kick 

[Ray]

Basically you guys do not like Jailbreak as much as you like to play with your friends in Jailbreak.
When people whine about how jailbreak turned to shit and that the old jailbreak is better and those newbies are bad or something, you simply just miss your friends on ambrosia who moved on and don't play jailbreak anymore.
Of course i would prefer playing on the old jailbreak rather on the current jailbreak and of course i miss all the "oldies" such as MonsteR, Adrian, Regan, etc...
But sometimes you have to move on and make new friends in the current jailbreak.
Some people think the problem comes from the server itself and the changes in it (Replica) and decide to change plugins and the system that jailbreak uses (Replica)
But that would be useless if the old players don't play anymore because jailbreak is made by players and not by plugin.

ReFresh, the problem isn't in the admins or the players, it's the environment that contains them.
The admins nowadays have the picture of superiority over players yes, simply because they were players during the "card-tony" admin period and we all know how lebaneses can act.
And when card-tony left, they applied to act like them and so they did, but they actually forgot their position here.
It's the evolution of all players:  *joins ambrosia* > *nice guy* > *applies admin* > *nice and active admin for 1-2-3 months* > *abusing starts* > *demotion/resignation* > *Arrogance/Rule breaking*

The admins needed Popay-RoNi combination to learn how to administrate since both of them are strict and mature so basically it will be an easy job to make admins act FAIRLY towards everyone.

Cheers,
Ray

[~RoN]

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I have talked to 3 of my administration members. Remember one thing I have said if you want to have a discussion with me I have no problem to talk to you in ts3 whats bothering you but you kept on going while I asked this discussion to end. I said the same to my administration you can ask them. They stopped they even were willing to give you à free day. As ex Head Admin you should know that this kind of discussion disturbs the server. And nobody was ignoring you I joined in good time. They were handling à cage day so i think they were waiting until the next round. And about the statement you made got you kicked how you are supposed to know for what they killed these 2 guys when you didnt see. So you made à fals statement just to have another argument with the admins that were online. I dont understand whats wrong with you these days dont you have anything else to do ?  Me and popay are managing the server and we know what we are doing this is not my first day in Ambrosia managing jailbreak server. And dont forget one thing I see what happens in the server everyday and i see who is abusing and who is not. And I know everything whats going on in the server. 2 days ago one guy didnt say anything in the server just to avoid arguing in server he came to me and simple as that the case was solved but you decided to continue. I stated clearly in members meeting i said stay Professional and if you have a problem with one admin that is doing something wrong then please contact me. Because I can not run behind you all and ask you whats the problem so please next time avoid to start such discussion in server since its not the place to have a discussion. Its à server where people want to enjoy playing and not see an admin arguing with a player. I do not have a problem you expressing your self but do it in the right place.

The problem was that nobody bothered to let me know that communicating regarding some issues in the server must be avoided. As I was used to the previous mentality in the server and to the previous administration team, I decided to express myself regarding some issues and to let the administrators know that they were committing some mistakes. But instead of having an immediate answer regarding the issue or a warning at least, I was gagged unreasonably by an administrator and some time later, you came to the server and you kicked me for making an ironical statement.

I understand that you are not willing people to communicate regarding some issues in the server as it may be a source of useless conflicts between players and that you want people to do that in private instead but the problem is that this wasn't the case when I was managing the server. As a manager, my intention was to promote communication between administrators and normal players in order to make the administration team autonomous and to let them learn about their possible mistakes and about how to act in a professional way. But as you have a different mentality regarding this issue which I totally understand, I guess that I should have not bothered to communicate with the administration team but to let you know about the issue in private instead of making it public.

But as I said previously, the problem is that I wasn't aware of that until now. It was basically the first time that I play in the server by having Popay and you as managers. I also know that Popay used to do the same thing as you and tried to avoid some communications between members in forum for example regarding some issues in order to avoid useless debates, but I managed to understand his point of view. I also managed to let him know that communication and expression doesn't always lead to arguments or fights and that if one is willing to lead an appropriate communication then I don't see any reason of why this should not be allowed in the server nor in the forum.

But well, I guess that you still fail to comprehend my point of view since you are still thinking that everything you are doing is somehow right which makes you unable to interpret my opinion. All I can say is that we have a different point of view regarding professionalism and that in my eyes I wasn't lacking of professionalism as my intention was to let them know about these problems. I'm also pretty sure that if I would have joined the server with my real nickname, they would have shown more respect towards my opinion and would have probably understood my point of view but as I was just a random player in their eyes, they took the decision to ignore my point of view and to promote theirs while they were being wrong.

As I said several times in this post, the only reason I decided to continue was because I had no idea regarding the mentality of the administration team and because I was not issued a warning. But anyway, is there really a difference whether I decide to make some issues public or private? I know that some particular cases shouldn't be made public as they may involve some personal aspects or some conflicts that should be restricted to a small audience (High Staff corner) but I always tried to show transparency when I was managing the server and I'm still trying to do it while expressing my opinion regarding some issues. Some people may believe that I tend to complain or to whine for useless things very often only because I tend to make my issues public instead of private but do you really believe that it's the case? Should I always have the feeling that I'll get this kind of feedback while making an opinion public instead of private?

The only reason why I tend to make my issues public is to let a maximum amount of people know about the issue and to make some of these people express themselves regarding the issue. That allows me to evaluate their opinions and to consider whether my opinion regarding the issue is wrong or right and to reconsider some parts of it if needed. But to be honest, I don't have that feeling while reading your opinion because I know that you are being biased by your point of view and that you aren't really able to open your mind and to understand my opinion as I understood yours.

Cheers.

Hey again,

That's why i am gone do meetings with members at least 1 time 2 months.
When i did get my rights in here i did that and some members were there and i was clear and said i don't want you guys to fight into the server to see who is right and who is wrong. Admins are there to help and ready to listen but if you guys start to have a long discussion i think its not the right place to start and talk into the server.

I do get your point of view i have a different manner of managing the server and you know very good since its not my first time that i manage jailbreak server. You were here as admin when me and sami were in charge before. I didn't say that i want to restrict to talk in jailbreak server the only thing i want is if there is a long discussion to be done like yesterday to be done in forums or privat.

I am gone tell you how do i manage jailbreak server and my administration team :

1) I do check their activity in the server usually.

2) I do not follow them if they make mistakes or abuse, but if they get reported with enough proves then they will get in trouble.

3) I do not check logs daily because i don't want my administration team to feel unconfortable, they are enough grown up to take their responsability's. (until somebody proves me wrong)

4) The administration team have green light, to do what they think its right. But again if they do not follow the administration regulation there will be a problem.

5) I am their friend when it comes in enjoying the game and playing but if they do something wrong then i will obviously step up and tell them what's wrong and whats right.

6) I do always tell them, they are not god's they are players same as eveyone else the only difference its that they need to take care of the server and keep it playable.

7) I do listen to members if they wish to talk to me. Eveybody has their own/different opinion, i do accept that but that dosen't mean that i always need to agree with them since i am a human being too and i have my opinion too.

8 ) I like to solve problems privatly mostly when it comes to problems btw admins/players, since i think that jailbreak server has more drama then all other servers together. So to avoid this i ask everybody to not have a long discussion in server because its not the right place to do that. Because some people want to enjoy and play the game not listen to what you have to say that's why there is a forum mostly to make a public discussion.

9) If you report somebody to me i make sure to listen both side's and that's what i did when the problem occured yesterday in the server i asked al capon and nab to explain me what happen they did. And i said ok. But after it i asked you v_1 i said whats the problem? and we talked for some time i am not an asshole you had a different opinion so did i have my own. That's why i asked those things to stop in that time because the discussion wasen't going anywere.

10) I do not tolerate when somebody who has been here for more then a year to tell others to break the rules. Because they simply will get their self in trouble.

11) I do not tolerate favoritism in server. Even if there is a friend of yours you do have to give everybody equal chance's to arrive in the end of the round.

12) I do not respond to people who start whining in the server for stupid reasons.

13) I make sure everyday that admins follow the rules. (a small example here : one of my admins yesterday said to everybody freeze and people started pressing E. So he said that he has great headphones and that he can hear who is pressing E so he killed half of the terroriste's but he got punished for that same as a normal player. Since you can kill somebody because he can't see people in real life what button they are pressing. Killing without no proves = freekill)

14) I can be a very good with everybody but when it comes to rules and community i am not your friend anymore that's how it works. Frienship and professional life its 2 different things that can't be connected together.

15) I make sure that new people feel welcomed in our server, but to be warm welcomed i welcome them mostly with a link of jailbreak rules.

16) i can be a very good guy, but remember that i can be strict to.


so in conclusion there are much more things i could add here.

So i will say a last thing : maybe some of the admins do not have the best attitude in the server. But until now i am very happy with the team i have. They do respect everyone at least what i see and they never respond back when they get warned because they do admit straight away that they were wrong.

And refresh, i do accept your opinion but that dosen't make me to agree with it, i have a different point of view and you have yours but for the moment please let me manage the server in the way me and popay want. Because if there is everytime people who will interfer on how we shall manage jailbreak then we have nothing to do here. That's why we are here to do thing's how we think its right. And obviously we listen members every day but remember one thing we can not please everybody. And another thing even if your name was Refresh you would have get kicked by me i am not a guy to put anybody in my white list and that he should not be kicked because he was and old member or a new. I have banned my own friends in ambrosia. You are my friend too but remember one thing if you will make wrong steps in jailbreak i will kick not only kick but i will even ban you. Me i do not consider if you are new or old or my friend here, everybody will be threated the same way. If you wish to test me you can. (at least by me).

And i do not wish anymore to continue in this topic because i can not see it going anywere more so i do not wish that al capon and nab reply's on this topic for a simple reason because you will have to answer them back and they will do the same thing. So i don't think its the best idea to do so. i can not see this topic going further anymore.

But if Popay wishe's to continue then he can. But i am done here i said my opinion i said what i had to say.
So please Refresh do not make me reply here anymore thank you.

~RoN

[Pringles]

Anyway, I'd like to thank you for expressing yourself regarding the matter and for showing some patience while doing it. Those weren't really some important issues but they allowed me to understand your point of view regarding some matters and I'll make sure to respect it next time that I decide to play in the server.

As PL said, you can either lock the thread or let the rest of the concerned administrators express themselves as I don't have anything else to say.

[~RoN]

Young jeezy message was removed because it has nothing to do with this topic.

Thanks for understanding refresh. Since you have nothing to say anymore i prefer to lock this topic.

~RoN