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Offline wong

3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« on: June 18, 2015, 01:59:29 pm »
Hi,

Here is my suggestion regarding the Ambrosia forum:

So as a normal ambrosia player it is not just very easy to report cheaters on this forum. you have to read all these rules and then copy and paste a written text that acts like a form (while in most cases the players will already have the steam ID of the cheater in the their copy/paste button). Then they have to search on google for an online solution to upload their demos.

http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=47.0

Code: [Select]
Playername:
Steam-ID (If Possible):
Server:
Date & Time:
Complaint:
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):

Ofcource some of the die hard reporters (like myself) will actually take the efford to upload the demo somewhere and post it on this forum using your rules and your form. But most people will just think: Wow all I was trying to do is report a cheater to help Ambrosia but what Ambrosia is asking me to do is just too much work for me.

And to be honest. I dont blame them. The system should be designed so that even a new and total noob player (for example ur grandma) can report a cheater with a few simple clicks without having having some room for making errors. Looking at the current system: there is simply too much room for making mistakes. And all mistakes made while reporting a cheater should not be the fault of the player, but is the fault of ambrosia. Ambrosia should make the "report a cheater" option as user friendly as possible.

Suggestion 1:
So why not use an actual form (u know, like an registration form or a feedback form)? This way people can never make any mistakes. And the ambrosia admins will always receive the cheat reports in the same format (saves u a lot of time). I noticed that Ambrosia uses simplemachines. I googled it, looked at it and saw there is an option to make a customised form.

http://custom.simplemachines.org/mods/

And even if this dont work, there are many ways to make forms for websites.

Suggestion 2:
Ambrosia should encourage people to report cheaters. So I suggest rewarding players who report cheaters with a point system. In some other communities they solved this by giving a player x poins for reporting a cheater (and is actually banned). So if the player reports like 10 cheaters he will gets x points. The points can be swapped for a x slots private server for x hours.

Suggestion 3:
When a player wants to upload a demo he has to google for an online solution (probably even have to registrate himself somewhere). This will result in the fact that most players will think : "ok way too much work for me, i'll let this one slide and not report the cheater". I assume this is not what ambrosia wants. SO I suggest ambrosia make a SELECT FILE AND UPLOAD button on the new form (as suggested at suggestion 1). This will make uploading demos much much much easier.

Offline Raven E II R

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2015, 05:10:40 pm »
Looking into your suggestion, you've said what I already thought. We tried to get a type of automatic form in the report a player board and unban board that you could simply fill in without the need to go to one topic and copy and paste it into a new topic but the mod there and if I remember correctly, the only one of it's kind on the SMF mod site wasn't working correctly with this theme.

However we are in the planning stages of some changes to the website, and this is actually one thing I will be trying once we start those changes as I do want to have it on here, I'm sure it'll make it a lot easier for our users to report or post unban requests.

And for the upload part I will see what we can do but it won't be a direct upload to our servers.
"I am an Ambrosian"

Offline wong

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2015, 06:01:40 pm »
Looking into your suggestion, you've said what I already thought. We tried to get a type of automatic form in the report a player board and unban board that you could simply fill in without the need to go to one topic and copy and paste it into a new topic but the mod there and if I remember correctly, the only one of it's kind on the SMF mod site wasn't working correctly with this theme.

However we are in the planning stages of some changes to the website, and this is actually one thing I will be trying once we start those changes as I do want to have it on here, I'm sure it'll make it a lot easier for our users to report or post unban requests.

And for the upload part I will see what we can do but it won't be a direct upload to our servers.

use a different server for that and make .zip mandatory. Maybe ur sponsors can help u get some extra webspace?

Offline X-KilleR

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2015, 06:23:09 pm »
I already suggested that for unban request section

Offline Red Wolf

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2015, 07:50:49 pm »
after all, demos wont be saved forever. Maybe just a couple of days.
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Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2015, 08:32:22 pm »
i think that's not possible... you have that function for Vbulletin but i don't think a new forum would be setted up just for this function :p

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Offline 'PL'

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2015, 11:17:01 pm »
Now, having a personal server for uploading demos isn't particularly good as it will clog up space and memory, and the reporters receiving some rewards because they reported somebody is something far-fetched for me... It's up to you if you want to report cheaters or not, administrators will surely home on those people. Most serious reports come from jailbreak as it involves people being drama queens and flaming each other to prove a point, therefore it would be rather exploitative for everybody that reported somebody and was right about the assumption receives a reward. Maybe a Award system can be implemented to vote off the best cheater catcher, but i don't vouch for points and advantages.

On the other hand, I support you fully for the automated forms :3

Offline CoiNNN

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2015, 12:41:42 am »
About the automated form, good idea.

But the points, im sure people will report eachother for points. Report for the most minor things. Also the points may get out of hand when someone just gets loads of points.



Offline wong

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2015, 02:11:26 pm »
its all so simple

Just set this example rules:

*If a player gets banned he will can ask for an unban on the forum within 10 days. After that there is no chance of getting an unban EVER.

(this way the server only have to hold on to a few demos, old demos can be removed, I think 200mb webspace should do the trick)

@Coin: I really hope they will report each other, even for the minor things. + you can always punish people who abuse the system

Ambrosia can decide for themselves if they allow: "Points getting out of hand" because ambrosia can determine the point system and its rewards

Offline JustGo

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2015, 02:32:59 pm »
also you can make it that the point is given only when the report is legit and gets aprroved.

Offline CoiNNN

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2015, 02:47:31 pm »
its all so simple

Just set this example rules:

*If a player gets banned he will can ask for an unban on the forum within 10 days. After that there is no chance of getting an unban EVER.

(this way the server only have to hold on to a few demos, old demos can be removed, I think 200mb webspace should do the trick)

@Coin: I really hope they will report each other, even for the minor things. + you can always punish people who abuse the system

Ambrosia can decide for themselves if they allow: "Points getting out of hand" because ambrosia can determine the point system and its rewards


I meant this: Imagine people reporting someone for a really small thing, then the person does not get banned or so. There will be a negativity between the two people from the report onwards. If someone reports you, its the human nature, you will not like them or have a negative though of them, this can cause arguments.



Offline wong

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2015, 02:57:30 pm »
well U have to decide whats more important. Its a choise :)

my experience with this system is that is does not cause extra argues that werent already there

Offline Red Wolf

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2015, 05:38:09 pm »
If report is dropped, then -x points.
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Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2015, 07:50:48 pm »
automatic forms are not possible on smf........ stop discussing about it... you would rather need a full html forum,mybb or vbulletin.........

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Offline P o p a y

Re: 3 good improvements for the "report a cheater" form
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2015, 06:51:53 pm »
Looking into your suggestion, you've said what I already thought. We tried to get a type of automatic form in the report a player board and unban board that you could simply fill in without the need to go to one topic and copy and paste it into a new topic but the mod there and if I remember correctly, the only one of it's kind on the SMF mod site wasn't working correctly with this theme.

However we are in the planning stages of some changes to the website, and this is actually one thing I will be trying once we start those changes as I do want to have it on here, I'm sure it'll make it a lot easier for our users to report or post unban requests.

And for the upload part I will see what we can do but it won't be a direct upload to our servers.

Moved to accepted suggestions.