[Cleared JB]Yet another uncleared rule.

[Jake]

Today on jb_xmf, I killed FNN Cause he were wielding a nade in teh cells ( A flashbang ) And from the cage, i see he holding it & i headshot him ( killin him ) Cause he were wieldin a weapon ~ Which he disagree'd too, Saying " Its a Flashbang "
As i understood, I as a ct can kill anyone wieldin a nade due to it being a weapon
NB: nAb will probaly reply with " Tell me to hide it / warn me about " and i replied to him, On xmf where theres so many macs, I cannot risk taking damage from a grenade,-
Now is this, Included Flash & Smoke?
Or doesnt flash & smoke count as a " Weapon " ?

[Phenomenal]

Ok now tell me do you have some kind of way to see what kind of nade it is? No? Then in that case you have to warn the Ts that if I see any nade in your hand you die because if you make your own rules then how do we spend our points? /donate infinite jake ? You have to be smarter to find a way avoiding rebellers rather than just killing people without warning to have a successful yet unfair round. Now you say that flashbang is a weapon, ok so let me clarify A FLASHBANG does not do DIRECT DAMAGE which means it cannot be classified as a weapon but as a ct, however, you can restrict the Ts to not hold a nade in hand. Then when I try to explain you say shush and blame me for your failure to manage commanding before 8:00. Well played jake.
P.S. I did not attack you nor did I demand fd for myself or a punishment for you, I said that is not fair.

[P o p a y]

If you are feeling that you will be damaged anyhow by Ts, be sure to warn them: If I see you with a grenades in your hands you will be shot.

Simple. Then, kill prisoners who are not obeying your command, and don't kill prisoners who are obeying your command.

[Red Wolf]

Actually, CS is made of WEAPONS. I wouldnt kill someone holding a knife and aiming at me. Actually I can, he is holding a knife (weapon) and rules do state that "If a T is holding a weapon and aiming at a CT, CT is allowed to kill the T". You could have given a warning AT LEAST. Or any command not to hold nades.

[Florian]

Well the flash grenade is classified as a weapon, and as Popay and Red Wolf said if you see a prisoner holding any kind of weapon on his hands, you are allowed to kill him. But, you could have given him a warning first to not throw or hold a grenade, that's how most of the commanders deal with a prisoner holding a grenade.

[Pringles]

Same shit goes for HNS. Some admins punish prisoners who use smokes and flashes before 4:00 because they consider it as a weapon while others don't.

[WILLIE]

Today on jb_xmf, I killed FNN Cause he were wielding a nade in teh cells ( A flashbang ) And from the cage, i see he holding it & i headshot him ( killin him ) Cause he were wieldin a weapon ~ Which he disagree'd too, Saying " Its a Flashbang "
As i understood, I as a ct can kill anyone wieldin a nade due to it being a weapon
NB: nAb will probaly reply with " Tell me to hide it / warn me about " and i replied to him, On xmf where theres so many macs, I cannot risk taking damage from a grenade,-
Now is this, Included Flash & Smoke?
Or doesnt flash & smoke count as a " Weapon " ?

you might have rights to kill someone holding guns without warnings but for holding a grenade you should give a warning as long as it's not as much of a threat as guns.

[Jake]

Well the flash grenade is classified as a weapon, and as Popay and Red Wolf said if you see a prisoner holding any kind of weapon on his hands, you are allowed to kill him. But, you could have given him a warning first to not throw or hold a grenade, that's how most of the commanders deal with a prisoner holding a grenade.

This is what i told nAb
i CAN Kill because it is a weapon, So i werent wrong..
That some Cts choose to give chances like that, I understand & I would do too on another map - Other than XMF Which is THE Rebel map with the dang mac-10s
I'm probaly a bad ct who cant controll a map like xmf due to the mac 10's, But i try & by doin that, I kill peeeps who carry nades ~ Because It is NOT Against the rules, So i am an asshole like that.. lol

[-FROSTY-]

If prisoner is inside the cell holding a nade u should warn him if i see nade in ur hand u ll die, because it cannot damage u when he is in the closed cell.
If u see them throwing the nade or holding a nade after warning you should be allowed to kill him imo

[Phenomenal]

If prisoner is inside the cell holding a nade u should warn him if i see nade in ur hand u ll die, because it cannot damage u when he is in the closed cell.
If u see them throwing the nade or holding a nade after warning you should be allowed to kill him imo

That is what I tried to explain jake but he continued with his statement that nade(s) is/are weapon so he can kill me. Like how can I do harm when the cells are closed? Or you could have asked me to throw it inside the cell but you killed me and then refuse to accept your mistake, that's it.
P.S. I don't mind for a single freekill jake but consider yourself in that situation, you rage and leave for a silly reason.. You did this with me now lets consider you do it with other player and you will obviously ignore him until he stops arguing or simply leaves the server.. like seriously how can I damage you when cells are closed. You are probably the first CT killing somebody holding a nade even without a warning. And do consider this people the problem isn't only that if flash / smoke nade is weapon but it is also that the CT should first warn the T if he is holding a nade because you are gonna piss people off with that as jailbreak isn't really about your kill and success in the rounds.. it's about having fun not ruining it.

[Jason Bourne]

If you clearly say something like, "If I see a nade in your hand, you die!" or "Throw that nade you die" then you may kill them immediately without warning
If you haven't said that and they throw a nade you can kill them if and only if they damage you with it

*At least that was how it worked before

[supertomi]

now lets consider you do it with other player and you will obviously ignore him until he stops arguing or simply leaves the server..

I honestly couldn't agree more.

['PL']

Since the new rule about flashbang and smoke was introduced for hns, You are aware that flashbang and smoke can be looked upon as not damage weapons (like shield and nightvision is). So it would mean that they are not weapons but equipment. I support the position that flashbang falls under the category of grenades which in commands can be filtered as a grenade and a command should be given to restrict grenades being thrown. Flashbang is never a weapon, but just a temporary advantage to give you ample time to disguise your actions(there was a old concept where visual contact had to be established with the rebel if he was to kill your teammate so you could kill him, and flashbangs acted as necessities if you wanted to get away with your kill). Even smokes were considered something similar if you were part of the smoke range.

Anyway enough of those old concepts and regulations, Now you two can take this non-teamworking atmosphere in your administrator boards. Awaiting Andrew to give the final say.

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Trial admins these days

[Pim]

in my handbook: anything that can inflict damage is considered a weapon. I would not call smokes/flashes weapons.

In cells there is not much chaos for the commanders, I would suggest to give warnings in these situations, however in a cage and all. There is not always time to give a warning.

[Red Wolf]

in my handbook: anything that can inflict damage is considered a weapon. I would not call smokes/flashes weapons.

In cells there is not much chaos for the commanders, I would suggest to give warnings in these situations, however in a cage and all. There is not always time to give a warning.

Actually, knife is a weapon, but I wouldnt kill anyone for holding knife, I dont go to jail for holding my fists 

[Phenomenal]

Since the new rule about flashbang and smoke was introduced for hns, You are aware that flashbang and smoke can be looked upon as not damage weapons (like shield and nightvision is). So it would mean that they are not weapons but equipment. I support the position that flashbang falls under the category of grenades which in commands can be filtered as a grenade and a command should be given to restrict grenades being thrown. Flashbang is never a weapon, but just a temporary advantage to give you ample time to disguise your actions(there was a old concept where visual contact had to be established with the rebel if he was to kill your teammate so you could kill him, and flashbangs acted as necessities if you wanted to get away with your kill). Even smokes were considered something similar if you were part of the smoke range.

Anyway enough of those old concepts and regulations, Now you two can take this non-teamworking atmosphere in your administrator boards. Awaiting Andrew to give the final say.

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Trial admins these days

Actually if you will re-read the title, the issue is classification of flashbang / smoke as a weapon and not a complaint topic as I said before that I never asked him to give freeday neither did I ask him to kill himself. Thank you. And replica another thing is that I respect you, but you think you were the boss in old days? Like you never had these situations and were a perfect and shining player of the jailbreak server? Remember please because I do not think it is even possible. The argument however is not a freekill causing teamwork issues among the admin team but something else as I mentioned previously.

[Andrew`]

in my handbook: anything that can inflict damage is considered a weapon. I would not call smokes/flashes weapons.

In cells there is not much chaos for the commanders, I would suggest to give warnings in these situations, however in a cage and all. There is not always time to give a warning.

Exactly. As I mentioned in the new HNS rule, flashbangs and smokes are NOT classified as weapons, as they cannot cause any direct damage. However, the CT CAN disallow Ts to hold any nades while commanding, remember, the Commander can set some regulations of his, if we had to specify every single thing there would be 100 rules now.

So, a warning must be given first for any T holding any kind of nade, however if you don't specify it and a prisoner throws a flashbang, you're not allowed to kill him.


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