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Offline SuperGeent

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Date & Time:28.02.2015 - 21:01:48
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Server:jb
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« Last Edit: March 01, 2015, 01:55:11 pm by Under~ »

Offline Big Bob

Unban Request
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2015, 09:43:02 pm »
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Online Andrew`

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2015, 09:54:38 pm »
There must be a screenshot in your cstrike folder taken during the ban, post it here please. If you have any problems finding it check out this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri0cFCabHIw

Waiting for admin @Jay to post his side of story and evidence as well.

Offline HuniePop

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2015, 10:00:11 pm »
Yes I want to see the demo. I do not believe supergeent is cheating like that.

Offline Pringles

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2015, 10:28:15 pm »
Yes I want to see the demo. I do not believe supergeent is cheating like that.

And I don't believe that the only member of the report panel would do such a mistake.

Anyway as Under said, you have to post the screenshot.

Offline Ultor

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2015, 10:32:42 pm »
Hello SuperGeent, Jay banned you since I have trial rights for using wallhack. Now, before we go into the demos, I would advice those non-jailbreak players to download the map jail_4ever and join the server to download the necessary models. Even you you have them already, join the server and play the demos.

Now, looking at Demo 1, it starts by having you watching over the prisoners constantly aiming at the needed cells. However, the wallhack bit starts once most of the prisoners are inside the cage. You had no idea where the hidden prisoner on the second floor was, you simply ran to his cell started pre aiming directly at him, and tried to walk hoping he makes noise. However, whats more weird was the way you double checked his cell hoping to spot his hands or legs so you can kill him- but as seen in the demo, you couldnt. Dont you see how dodgy that was, skipping all cells and running to that cell, while double-checking multiple times it? Edit: forgot to mention that once you failed to see the hidden prisoner, you kept shouting second floor second floor! How on earth did you know that?

Not only that, but it gets more dodgy suddenly just after you went down from the second floor. The prisoner fac3, and the officer, Gumball, were outside going to the Strafe Race. You had no idea about this, pre-aimed at the wall thinking that prisoner escaped- you looked directly at him even though you did not witness him escaping at all. Pure wallhack here.

Now we skip few seconds, however, I noticed another dodgy thing which may not be that important, but worth mentioning. It was the second you looked at the prisoner fac3 when he went down to that strafe race- you pre-aimed at the wall for like 2-3 seconds. Skip some time after that and you will notice that once SuperGeent ordered the remaining prisoners to follow him, he looked at the vent- he knew there was a T there and he kept aiming for like 4-5 seconds aswell, demo is self-explanatory. However, you were dissatisfied with your teammates for failing to find the prisoner (the prisoner changed his position from stairs to the first cell), so you decided to kill him with your own hands. Pretty much wallhack here, you had no idea, went directly to that cell and found him. Funny thing you gave him a chance to survive.

Now we move on to demo 2. This demo is much smaller. Just when the demo starts, you can see SuperGeent on top of a tower with an AWP- looking for prisoners. Around 2 seconds after, you can see him pre-aiming at a running prisoner (even tho he had no idea where he came from as we can see from the demo), killing him with a headshot. After that, you can also see abit of pre-aiming at the 2 prisoners. That was the useful bit for the second demo.

Don't forget to post the screenshot please, it shouldnt take you that long since you're experienced with this stuff  :)

Link for both demos in rar format: https://www.mediafire.com/?kabai4licwsayfd

Offline PAto.-

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2015, 10:56:46 pm »
I watched the demo , by my experience. I would give it 100% wallhacking, when fac3 tried to hide, he knew hes there and wouldnt show that he knows because he saw an admin with a different name in spec. so he decided to hide his cheat. and when fac3 moved to the cell he knew that hes there, there was no sound or anything to show/know thats hes there.
so yeah stay banned, idk why do u use wh on JB lol.

Offline Red Mist

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2015, 04:08:43 am »
Another retard banned from jb,good job admins

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Re: Unban Request
« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2015, 05:46:05 am »
the way he acted with fac3 and the pre-aiming Ts in 2nd demo is way too obvious i think

stay banned :)

Offline Noex'

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2015, 06:50:31 am »
Jay is actually one of the most experienced i know , i've watched the demo , it seems like too much pre-aiming , post a screenshot geent , it may help you .

Offline Jay

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2015, 08:15:19 am »
This ban was on behalf of Ultor who asked me to ban him because he only has trial rights. Ultor has the demo.

Edit: Oh wait nevermind. Ultor's already posted in the thread. Haha.

Offline HuniePop

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #11 on: March 01, 2015, 10:03:34 am »
I've seen the demos, here are my thoughts -
No wallhack at all. Let me tell you, why.

1st demo - ordinary cell check. Anyone would have spotted fac3 there. I spotted him as soon as Supeegeent did.
Besides, everybody checks that cell first, 2 reasons -
Nearest cell to check, and that's the cell with a breakable window. (Supergeent probably wanted to get outside through that window.)
2nd demo -
Kill on fearless - prediction. I told supergeent, that they were escaping from the window, and every single rebeller would rush towards awp or scout. Supergeent knew that, no need for wh to know it.
Prefire at ladder - nothing, but pure sound.
Do you, guys, even know, that people hear steps, ladders?
Tunnel fight between me and supergeent - lucky coinsidence.

Overall - ban made by a skillless Jailbreak hero ( no offense).
People sometimes don't know, how headphones work (Ultor is one of those speaker - echo players, so no surprise.)
UNBAN!

Last thing - the only thing Jay has to do with the ban is - amx_ban. Demo recorded by Ultor.
As for players agreeing to the WH - go play in dd2 or  public server, you will obviously make around 10 wh reports per day, while those reported players are just pure CS1.6 veterans.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2015, 10:12:51 am by Darw3n the Atheist »

Offline Koray

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2015, 10:34:18 am »
I've seen the demos, here are my thoughts -
No wallhack at all. Let me tell you, why.

1st demo - ordinary cell check. Anyone would have spotted fac3 there. I spotted him as soon as Supeegeent did.
Besides, everybody checks that cell first, 2 reasons -
Nearest cell to check, and that's the cell with a breakable window. (Supergeent probably wanted to get outside through that window.)
2nd demo -
Kill on fearless - prediction. I told supergeent, that they were escaping from the window, and every single rebeller would rush towards awp or scout. Supergeent knew that, no need for wh to know it.
Prefire at ladder - nothing, but pure sound.
Do you, guys, even know, that people hear steps, ladders?
Tunnel fight between me and supergeent - lucky coinsidence.

Overall - ban made by a skillless Jailbreak hero ( no offense).
People sometimes don't know, how headphones work (Ultor is one of those speaker - echo players, so no surprise.)
UNBAN!

Last thing - the only thing Jay has to do with the ban is - amx_ban. Demo recorded by Ultor.
As for players agreeing to the WH - go play in dd2 or  public server, you will obviously make around 10 wh reports per day, while those reported players are just pure CS1.6 veterans.
It's easier to detect hacks on DD2 then on Jailbreak, so dont compare those 2 servers please.

And dont yell 'skillless admin' towards ultor, he's by far the only admin from when he resigned and now aswell on Jailbreak who's serious and acts to his job.

Ill check the demos when im on my pc.
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Re: Unban Request
« Reply #13 on: March 01, 2015, 10:34:45 am »
I've seen the demos, here are my thoughts -
No wallhack at all. Let me tell you, why.

1st demo - ordinary cell check. Anyone would have spotted fac3 there. I spotted him as soon as Supeegeent did.
Besides, everybody checks that cell first, 2 reasons -
Nearest cell to check, and that's the cell with a breakable window. (Supergeent probably wanted to get outside through that window.)
2nd demo -
Kill on fearless - prediction. I told supergeent, that they were escaping from the window, and every single rebeller would rush towards awp or scout. Supergeent knew that, no need for wh to know it.
Prefire at ladder - nothing, but pure sound.
Do you, guys, even know, that people hear steps, ladders?
Tunnel fight between me and supergeent - lucky coinsidence.

Overall - ban made by a skillless Jailbreak hero ( no offense).
People sometimes don't know, how headphones work (Ultor is one of those speaker - echo players, so no surprise.)
UNBAN!

Last thing - the only thing Jay has to do with the ban is - amx_ban. Demo recorded by Ultor.
As for players agreeing to the WH - go play in dd2 or  public server, you will obviously make around 10 wh reports per day, while those reported players are just pure CS1.6 veterans.

the thing u said in the start might be true but if u look at the guy at the ladder.. he was pre-aiming before that guy was even near the ladder

cant believe in too many coincidences, can we?

Offline HuniePop

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #14 on: March 01, 2015, 10:41:40 am »
Dude, the guy was simply predictable, as he just went upwards.
It's obvious, that Supergeent would prefire there. Every smart shooter would do that.
Jesus christ, we need to start teaching combat techniques to some of Jailbreak players here, I guess.
Preaim does.not equal to WH, if sound is heard, and a common sense of prediction is done.

Offline Koray

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2015, 11:16:49 am »
Demo 1, you pre-aimed at the cell beneath him and you also aimed up towards him, when you went up you started walking hoping he wouldn't hear you but as you started running he started to show himself and you also saw him but didnt kill him.

You knew he was there but if you killed him you'd be more suspicious because you 'knew in an instant' where he was without checking the other cells on that floor.

Also, when you started running he jumped off something and you could hear that noise, but that was when you already passed the other cells. Weird that you didnt check inside while you saw him tho.

Demo 2, what I noticed is that you scanned the roof of the prison to look where the players were but after you saw the escaped prisonner you immeadiatly changed your direction and pre-aimed and shot him, this makes it really weird since you couldnt hear him from there as you were way too far up.

Thats what I noticed atleast, I wouldnt notice these things tho since I'm not experienced with Jailbreak as I used to be.
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Offline HuniePop

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2015, 11:37:22 am »
Demo 1, you pre-aimed at the cell beneath him and you also aimed up towards him, when you went up you started walking hoping he wouldn't hear you but as you started running he started to show himself and you also saw him but didnt kill him.

You knew he was there but if you killed him you'd be more suspicious because you 'knew in an instant' where he was without checking the other cells on that floor.

Also, when you started running he jumped off something and you could hear that noise, but that was when you already passed the other cells. Weird that you didnt check inside while you saw him tho.

Demo 2, what I noticed is that you scanned the roof of the prison to look where the players were but after you saw the escaped prisonner you immeadiatly changed your direction and pre-aimed and shot him, this makes it really weird since you couldnt hear him from there as you were way too far up.

Thats what I noticed atleast, I wouldnt notice these things tho since I'm not experienced with Jailbreak as I used to be.
Demo 1- I already explained the situation.
As were we using mics, I told him, that me and fac3 were in the race, he predicted, that fac3 was with me in the race, and he knew, where I was, because radar shows teammates.
Supergeent knows, that there is a vent in that race floor, and as he saw me coming out without fac3, he again predicted, that fac3 was in the vent.
As he came to the same cell, where fac3 was, it was only a lucky coinsidence. I actually did the same thing as supergeent  by going to the same.cell.
2nd demo - again, I told him, that prisoner is escaping through the window with a mic, and he,.knowing the map,.knew, in which side was the window.
Preaim on fearless was a common sense.
Preaim on ladders was sound and common sense.


I will not stop critisising every complaint about wh, because I fight for the rights of justice of everyone, that I think, doesn't cheat.

However, if the screenshot shows, that supergeent has wh, or if he will give fake excuses, why is he not available to post it, I will stop judging and reconsider my thoughts.
But what I've seen in demo and what I remember from the time I played in there, I say - NO WH!

Online Andrew`

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2015, 12:36:20 pm »
Alright SuperGeent's laywer aka Gumball, can you please answer these questions to me?

1ST DEMO: 1)how did he know that that afk guy(his nick was Just4Fun) was in that specific upper cell that he went there, saw him behind the wall and stopped looking?
2)how did he know fac3 was behind that "ladder" or whatever it was when the Ts were following him crouching? Or when he went in the cell that he immediately found him, you're saying it was an easy prediction, we all say it wasn't. In the first 2 situations it seems to me like he saw both of them behind objects and then pretended to not having seen them not to get caught.

2ND DEMO: 1)According to you, some Ts were escaping and heading to the AWP. Now why did he check that way only once, and exactly the moment fearless was coming? I guess most of us if we heard some Ts are rebelling we would keep our eyes there 24/7 instead of jumping around(after making sure nobody else was there through walls).
2)An answer to your words about the tunnel fight, well, when someone is accused of cheating there aren't coincidences, really.
Your word is against 3 good admins and mine, are you really so sure he's not cheating? And please leave the "fighting for justice" stuff, I haven't seen you defend others, this is personal, let's admit it.
I am only asking you these questions out of curiosity, I've already taken my decision.

Last but not least, the ScreenShot is not posted yet, the player has 24 hours to do so or this will probably go to denied.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2015, 12:42:12 pm by Under~ »

Offline Ultor

Re: Unban Request
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2015, 12:52:34 pm »
I've seen the demos, here are my thoughts -
No wallhack at all. Let me tell you, why.

1st demo - ordinary cell check. Anyone would have spotted fac3 there. I spotted him as soon as Supeegeent did.
Besides, everybody checks that cell first, 2 reasons -
Nearest cell to check, and that's the cell with a breakable window. (Supergeent probably wanted to get outside through that window.)
2nd demo -
Kill on fearless - prediction. I told supergeent, that they were escaping from the window, and every single rebeller would rush towards awp or scout. Supergeent knew that, no need for wh to know it.
Prefire at ladder - nothing, but pure sound.
Do you, guys, even know, that people hear steps, ladders?
Tunnel fight between me and supergeent - lucky coinsidence.

Overall - ban made by a skillless Jailbreak hero ( no offense).
People sometimes don't know, how headphones work (Ultor is one of those speaker - echo players, so no surprise.)
UNBAN!

Last thing - the only thing Jay has to do with the ban is - amx_ban. Demo recorded by Ultor.
As for players agreeing to the WH - go play in dd2 or  public server, you will obviously make around 10 wh reports per day, while those reported players are just pure CS1.6 veterans.

I'm sorry, but most of your analysis is wrong and you skipped alot of vital points. First of all, this "ordinary cell check" that you speak of, how is skipping all cells in the first floor (not even checking the first cell where the vent is), skipping the first cell in the second floor on the right, and going directly to the second cell after that, double checking it, spotting the prisoner and  not killing him (as Koray mentioned, he would knew this would be very strange) "ordinary"?

When you say "Anyone would have spotted fac3 there. I spotted him as soon as Supeegeent did", I dont really know which bit u talking about: the one when he went to the race with you, or when he came out from the vent? If you talking about the second option then if you watch the demo carefully, you would see that he was pre-aiming at the vent, stairs (even tho you can still see the prisoner hiding behind the stairs, yet he didnt kill him). It is true that you noticed fac3, but you did not inform SuperGeent about his location as I told you to not kill him.

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Besides, everybody checks that cell first, 2 reasons - Nearest cell to check, and that's the cell with a breakable window. (Supergeent probably wanted to get outside through that window.)

It is true that everybody checks the vent cell first, its a logical human behavior, however, why did he not check the vent cell at the beginning of demo 1, when that T was hidding the second floor? That's because it would be a logical wallhacker behavior. You say that SuperGeent wanted to get outside through the window, now that is completetly invalid, I've never seen a CT taking the prisoners out through a tiny hole. Moreover, why did he tell the prisoners to wait outside (even tho they were OUTSIDE) so he can go to the vent cell and kill that T?  :)

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2nd demo -
Kill on fearless - prediction. I told supergeent, that they were escaping from the window, and every single rebeller would rush towards awp or scout. Supergeent knew that, no need for wh to know it.
Prefire at ladder - nothing, but pure sound.

As Koray mentioned, the immediate change of direction was extremely weird. No sound can be heard from that distance. Let me add another point for ya, it is known that the vent cell contains 2-3 prisoners inside, why did he not keep his aim there for few more seconds after killing Fearless, as it is common that the next prisoner would follow? The pre-aiming at the ladder would for few seconds was without sound, it was only when he went down the ladder.

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Overall - ban made by a skillless Jailbreak hero ( no offense).
People sometimes don't know, how headphones work (Ultor is one of those speaker - echo players, so no surprise.)
UNBAN!

I'm not gonna make any comment about that, it was just arrogant of you. I'm an expert when it comes to sound, and that is proven by everyone in the server. Sometimes you notice that I'm not using headphones when commanding, however, it was only because my roommate was using them. When I was spectating SuperGeent, I was well-aware of his surroundings, including sound and radar. I was using Deluxe Stereo Headphones.

Offline EM0RTAL

Re: [CS] Unban Request - SuperGeent (Jailbreak) [Judge: Under~]
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2015, 12:58:13 pm »
got nothing to do with jb but you guys maybe can stop this bs and wait for his screenshot? Oh wait... Wait for his excuse not to have the screenshot. sryyyyyyy