Author Topic: [Discussion]"Racism" (Read 544 times)

fac3 · « **on:** February 16, 2015, 09:48:15 pm »

Okay so yeah, I want everybody's opinion on this case which you'll read about in the following. So of-course, I play JB everday and while commanding you joke around and stuff like that, cause the main reason is to have fun. Today I was commanding aswell and yeah things are going all smooth & stuff, while commanding MonsterCat was also in-game and you know kiddin round said: "get over there niggs" and not trying to offend anyone intentionally at all ( And the players didn't take it offensive aswell ) when all of a sudden, KABOOM outta nowhere I'm banned for 3 hours, for racism of-course by Monster. Your opinion if things should be handdled this seriously or....

Kiricocom · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2015, 09:51:59 pm »

you think it's a joke don't you, well guess what? it's not.
now that everyone is free to do what they do and shit they think they can use the word nigger again...
Just think about it, there's some butthurt people around..

BLooDReaPeR · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2015, 10:02:39 pm »

It is a joke. The reason why everybody is quittin Jailbreak is cause of there ain't no more fun in it anymore. If we say anything we get banned or slayed or reported... If you are on the internet, be ready to see people cussing and saying the n word. This ain't no elementary school, grow up.

BuddyTrollsten · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2015, 10:30:25 pm »

Lol.
This is probably the limit.
I've seen millions of people saying the "N" word and they never even received a warning for doing that , let's take Mumu as an example , also I can take one really famous guy in Ambrosia as an example but I rather not do that , both of them never get a warning and now look at this , this guy gets banned for 3 Hours with probably no warning at all assuming because it's monsterCAT who banned him.
You really can't say a word in Jailbreak.
Believe it or not I've gotten warned and gagged for saying "Go to CT Team" "Who wants to be CT" just because I AM not admin and apparently I'm acting like an admin..
Also I'm currently playing and there is one admin and a guy named "Ni*** is Mumu", admin isn't banning him.

What can you say in this server without getting banned , we need to make a list! They are probably only a few words..

Andrew` · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2015, 10:38:36 pm »

Although I'm strongly against racism, I think sometimes some admins are overdoing it. I see admins not banning their friends even saying worse words but when someone says a word they don't like "BADUM!", ban, I say we see some things with a more fair eye, not talking about MonsterCAT though, generally speaking. When we say a word that might not be pleasant to some people if noone complains it's better if we leave it. If the player keeps doing it then you could easily warn him, it wasn't a huge deal.

About this case, even if he thought it is racist, a warning was essential before the ban. Hell, I even kick after warning, I don't ban even the 2nd time a player does that.

HuniePop · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:58:13 pm »

Ni*** as a racism is a false stereotype believed by people, who can't make up a thought of their own. That's all I'm saying here.

'PL' · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2015, 12:16:45 am »

It's just a concept on any community

Don't use freely the N word, or better yet just use chocolate, chances are the admin might tell you: RACISM! But not ban you instantly.

Pringles · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2015, 12:21:14 am »

Well, most of you around here tend to blame monsterCAT for doing something that in your eyes was a "mistake" while actually he may have had the right to punish him for it.

The first point is that all admins don't adapt the same position/point of view regarding the same things. If I was an administrator in the server and saw you using that word, I would have probably not done anything as far as nobody complains nor feels offended about it (that's the most important thing in my eyes) because rude language is allowed in the server and because the N word can be considered as rude language in this case instead of racism since fac3's intentions were never to be racist towards anyone but rather to use a rude word to communicate with somebody. However, some administrators don't judge on intentions but rather on actions. That's monsterCAT's case for example. The N word can also be considered as a racist remark and he had the right to punish you for it since there is actually an ambiguity regarding this case. As I said, this only depends on how an admin judges and you will have to adapt to this and learn how to act with each administrator. Maybe monsterCAT should have not punished fac3 for this reason but this is only your opinion and if you want to be fair, you can see that monsterCAT cannot be punished for it since he is like this and because he is that kind of people.

The second point is that administrators are obliged to warn players before taking such actions. This case is a perfect example and I believe that monsterCAT issued a warning on you either by communicating with you or by kicking you. If he basically issued a warning on you and you disrespected his warning then he had the right to issue a ban on you since you were disrespecting a command coming from admin which basically gave him the right to ban you. If he didn't issue a warning on you and decided to issue a ban instead of a warning, then he didn't have the right to ban you and if it was the case, then I think that a warning should be issued on monsterCAT or that you should rather try to discuss with him regarding this issue.

Cheers.

P o p a y · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2015, 12:53:33 am »

Will I be reported if I lock and trash this topic right away or should I act like a stupid kid and leave it open so you can all hate on each other and "discuss" something "VITAL" for the server (NOT)?

Sometimes, I, myself am really surprised when someone asks something OBVIOUS -.-

It's like going to a party and asking if you can dance? Same as this topic. N - word is not allowed it is insultive, what opinions do you need? Your ban probably expired by now.. I think I will write a rule about people who are writing useless topics to be warned.

I leave this topic opened so I can see where you will find your own end to stop this topic.

Good luck with it,
Popay (Forum Moderator)

ps Next time you need an opinion, post at General off Topic not this section, but I leave it like that. Suit yourself.

Pringles · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2015, 01:12:33 am »

Popay, why would you lock/trash this topic ? We are in the Ambrosia General board and as far as I know this board is reserved for discussions regarding the servers. He could have posted this topic in the Jailbreak corner but he felt like this was a general discussion instead and that's why he posted it in this board. He could have started a report against monsterCAT and we would have been in the same case. But his intention was not to get monsterCAT's rights stripped nor to take an action on monsterCAT but rather to understand the reason of monsterCAT's act. That's basically why some people decided to post in this topic, in order to give their opinion regarding the original poster's case. I reckon that some people went off-topic and said some things that had nothing to do with the topic and seem a bit provocative but you should not make a generality out of their case. Issue a warning on people who might have broken a forums rule and let the topic open until the issue is solved.

P o p a y · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2015, 01:35:52 am »

I won't lock it as I said. The thing is that this "discussion" is about something obvious. Nothing special..

BuddyTrollsten · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2015, 05:25:14 am »

Quote from: P o p a y on February 17, 2015, 01:35:52 am

I won't lock it as I said. The thing is that this "discussion" is about something obvious. Nothing special..

So It's obvious for the admin to ban a player for 3 hours without warnings for "racism" even though he said the N word as a joke.
I see now.
To all the admins , if you cannot differentiate between a JOKE and a SERIOUS INSULT then please , come to me I will be giving free lessons on TS3 at 10:00GMT+3 to 14:00GMT+3.

This topic SHOULD NOT be locked , it's meant for a discussing and should remain. He is no reporting the admin he's discussing it with people if they think it was right to do or not.
Let this topic be.

fac3 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 17, 2015, 06:21:38 am »

Popay, here's the thing I posted this topic hours after, when I was unbanned and I didn't really care about the ban you see? Thing is that the annoying part that happened was I got banned for THAT even though Monster knew I was joking. Anyways Popay I'm so so sorry, hope ya can forgive me for starting this childish topic

And as for the definition of racism here ya go men.

1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

HuniePop · « **Reply #13 on:** February 17, 2015, 11:48:15 am »

Well as I said, ni*** is a false stereotype. It's a new word, that sadly turned into a violence by those mindless false thoughts, probably because it's a word thought off by a black dude.
So personally I would not mind anyone saying NI because of that, instead I would instantly ban anyone insulting someo ne's mom or sister or such, even if it's told by joke. Ban for a week, at least. ( I ain't admin, BTW.)

Andrew` · « **Reply #14 on:** February 17, 2015, 11:52:54 am »

Quote from: P o p a y on February 17, 2015, 01:35:52 am

I won't lock it as I said. The thing is that this "discussion" is about something obvious. Nothing special..

"Your" obvious and my obvious are different. I don't think such topics are useless, everyone has a different opinion, not everyone's includes fights, this guy is wondering if he's wrong because according to his obvious and mine as well, if it is not used to insult someone a direct ban is overreaction, a warning at first would be much better.

Some people here think he's being racist or that his topic is useless, some others think it's not a deal to ban someone for hours. I see people calling everyone a retard(example) in JB server, if racism is(in a way) an insult towards a group or race of people, isn't "retards" one as well? However, that can be taken as a joke by admins, for some reason, but other words can't.

Red Mist · « **Reply #15 on:** February 17, 2015, 12:43:40 pm »

Quote from: fac3 on February 16, 2015, 09:48:15 pm

Okay so yeah, I want everybody's opinion on this case which you'll read about in the following. So of-course, I play JB everday and while commanding you joke around and stuff like that, cause the main reason is to have fun. Today I was commanding aswell and yeah things are going all smooth & stuff, while commanding MonsterCat was also in-game and you know kiddin round said: "get over there niggs" and not trying to offend anyone intentionally at all ( And the players didn't take it offensive aswell ) when all of a sudden, KABOOM outta nowhere I'm banned for 3 hours, for racism of-course by Monster. Your opinion if things should be handdled this seriously or....

What about making fun of Indian and Pakistani accent?

Pim · « **Reply #16 on:** February 17, 2015, 12:53:09 pm »

Quote from: ReFresh on February 17, 2015, 12:21:14 am

Well, most of you around here tend to blame monsterCAT for doing something that in your eyes was a "mistake" while actually he may have had the right to punish him for it.

The first point is that all admins don't adapt the same position/point of view regarding the same things. If I was an administrator in the server and saw you using that word, I would have probably not done anything as far as nobody complains nor feels offended about it (that's the most important thing in my eyes) because rude language is allowed in the server and because the N word can be considered as rude language in this case instead of racism since fac3's intentions were never to be racist towards anyone but rather to use a rude word to communicate with somebody. However, some administrators don't judge on intentions but rather on actions. That's monsterCAT's case for example. The N word can also be considered as a racist remark and he had the right to punish you for it since there is actually an ambiguity regarding this case. As I said, this only depends on how an admin judges and you will have to adapt to this and learn how to act with each administrator. Maybe monsterCAT should have not punished fac3 for this reason but this is only your opinion and if you want to be fair, you can see that monsterCAT cannot be punished for it since he is like this and because he is that kind of people.

The second point is that administrators are obliged to warn players before taking such actions. This case is a perfect example and I believe that monsterCAT issued a warning on you either by communicating with you or by kicking you. If he basically issued a warning on you and you disrespected his warning then he had the right to issue a ban on you since you were disrespecting a command coming from admin which basically gave him the right to ban you. If he didn't issue a warning on you and decided to issue a ban instead of a warning, then he didn't have the right to ban you and if it was the case, then I think that a warning should be issued on monsterCAT or that you should rather try to discuss with him regarding this issue.

Cheers.

You are actually always spot on

, why did you leave

fac3 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 17, 2015, 01:05:54 pm »

Quote from: FOODY on February 17, 2015, 12:43:40 pm

What about making fun of Indian and Pakistani accent?
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Hmm? I already said the whole purpose is to have fun. Not trying to be offensive to anyone.

supertomi · « **Reply #18 on:** February 17, 2015, 01:41:47 pm »

I really don't find this racist at all... Everybody says this word now even i.. I have some black friends and i call them niggas but they don't take anything serious actually no one is they just got used to it!

Ray · « **Reply #19 on:** February 17, 2015, 01:53:15 pm »

Quote from: Pim on February 17, 2015, 12:53:09 pm

Quote from: ReFresh on February 17, 2015, 12:21:14 am
Well, most of you around here tend to blame monsterCAT for doing something that in your eyes was a "mistake" while actually he may have had the right to punish him for it.

The first point is that all admins don't adapt the same position/point of view regarding the same things. If I was an administrator in the server and saw you using that word, I would have probably not done anything as far as nobody complains nor feels offended about it (that's the most important thing in my eyes) because rude language is allowed in the server and because the N word can be considered as rude language in this case instead of racism since fac3's intentions were never to be racist towards anyone but rather to use a rude word to communicate with somebody. However, some administrators don't judge on intentions but rather on actions. That's monsterCAT's case for example. The N word can also be considered as a racist remark and he had the right to punish you for it since there is actually an ambiguity regarding this case. As I said, this only depends on how an admin judges and you will have to adapt to this and learn how to act with each administrator. Maybe monsterCAT should have not punished fac3 for this reason but this is only your opinion and if you want to be fair, you can see that monsterCAT cannot be punished for it since he is like this and because he is that kind of people.

The second point is that administrators are obliged to warn players before taking such actions. This case is a perfect example and I believe that monsterCAT issued a warning on you either by communicating with you or by kicking you. If he basically issued a warning on you and you disrespected his warning then he had the right to issue a ban on you since you were disrespecting a command coming from admin which basically gave him the right to ban you. If he didn't issue a warning on you and decided to issue a ban instead of a warning, then he didn't have the right to ban you and if it was the case, then I think that a warning should be issued on monsterCAT or that you should rather try to discuss with him regarding this issue.

Cheers.

You are actually always spot on , why did you leave

He's my minion. He goes where his master tells him to.

Considering that there's a rule allowing "rude words" and swearing on Jailbreak, and looking at the fact there it's the admin's job to judge which guy is offending or not, it's also admin's job to find out if it's offensive racist or not. And therefore, the admin should take the right action by determining the amount of offence done.
"Racism" is a reason only when you actually mean it as an insult and not as a joke. But after all, it's the admin who controls the server. And if admins are not able to determine racism from joke, i would be very disappointed for the choice of admins to administrate jailbreak. (*Pokes ReFresh*)