[solved] [JB] frANNNNk (Freekiller)

[Kay]

Playername: fraNNNNk
Steam-ID (If Possible): STEAM_0:1:59231499
Server: Jailbreak
Date & Time: Yesterday in the night i didnt remember exactly the time
Complaint: He didnt respect the following rule :
18. Warning shots must always be given. This however does not apply if a prisoner is rebelling or lost a game. Do not kill prisoners for slightest mistake or a misstep (moving an inch, slashing a knife by accident, etc.)!
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):
http://www.mediafire.com/download/s2lx1193bt7wiyv/fraNNNNk.dem
http://www.mediafire.com/download/co6p255lamoh4t9/frank2.dem

[Andrew`]

I was there when he showed up today. No warning shots, no afk check, killing the FD guy for no reason..

[[P.A.L]^ Nova]

i was there too
he is a freekiller
hope to ban him!

[Frank]

I'm suprised that admin would say something like that "killing fd guy for no reason". I apologized to the guy like 3 times and gave him an another freeday the day after.
And you're butthurt because i didn't give you warningshots for a couple o' rounds? You're acting like I opened the cells and just shot whoever i wanted. I mean, what the ****?!

Anyways, i think that my reasons were justified and i've already talked to refresh about this.

[Kiricocom]

I'm suprised that admin would say something like that "killing fd guy for no reason". I apologized to the guy like 3 times and gave him an another freeday the day after.
And you're butthurt because i didn't give you warningshots for a couple o' rounds? You're acting like I opened the cells and just shot whoever i wanted. I mean, what the ****?!

Anyways, i think that my reasons were justified and i've already talked to refresh about this.

Let me tell you this, your problem isn't just freekilling it's also disrespecting. Earn some manners before even thinking about posting again please,also don't go around saying "do you want me to disrespect you?"

[Fisu]

I'm suprised that admin would say something like that "killing fd guy for no reason". I apologized to the guy like 3 times and gave him an another freeday the day after.
And you're butthurt because i didn't give you warningshots for a couple o' rounds? You're acting like I opened the cells and just shot whoever i wanted. I mean, what the ****?!

Anyways, i think that my reasons were justified and i've already talked to refresh about this.

Before I check into this, did we ever argued? I have you blocked on my steam xD. Don't remeber anything.

[Frank]

Must be some kind of a joke, probably on ts3, i don't remember arguing with you ever.

[Pringles]

I was not in the server when this happened but when I came and asked to him (a map later), he admitted that he was not giving warning shots. He was basically the only Officer and there were 12 prisoners. He was undergoing pressure and he thought he could stop giving warning shots. But I told him that warning shots must be given in all cases unless the player wins a game or tries to rebel. It was not totally his fault but also ratio's fault since nobody else than him went to the CT team at this time. Now he understands it and let's hope that he won't do it again.

Cheers.

[Koray]

Goddamnit Frank, again ??

[Frank]

Goddamnit Frank, again ??

Stop making it sound like i do this every time xD

[Bess]

I was online at that time. Thanks Tony for reporting him.. He doesn't respect the rules! Just standing is a reason for him to kill us.. Just unfair! Many people witnessed that he free killed.. If you guys ain't thinking of banning him.. CT ban him at least! BTW.. He also was like "Wanna disrespect you?" Is that even mature? Frank.. I warned you a lot.. 'Give ws in whatever case' But you never understood.. It's not our problem if the other CT is AFK.. you MUST give ws dude.. Read rules once more ffs! So, it's time you take a brake from Ambrosia servers, right guys?

[Frank]

I was online at that time. Thanks Tony for reporting him.. He doesn't respect the rules! Just standing is a reason for him to kill us.. Just unfair! Many people witnessed that he free killed.. If you guys ain't thinking of banning him.. CT ban him at least! BTW.. He also was like "Wanna disrespect you?" Is that even mature? Frank.. I warned you a lot.. 'Give ws in whatever case' But you never understood.. It's not our problem if the other CT is AFK.. you MUST give ws dude.. Read rules once more ffs! So, it's time you take a brake from Ambrosia servers, right guys?

sigh....
Do you NOT read before you post?

EDIT: Oh, i didn't see kiricom's post, let me bash your argument real quick
Go around disrespecting everyone? Let me remind you of the conversation:
You: Respect please
Me: I didn't disrespect anyone
You: Yea but try to respect everyone
Me: As i said i didn't disrespect anyone, but i might disrespecting you.

That's not letter-to-letter accurate conversation, but that's the general context (Logs can be checked if u desire so)
It was kind of a passive insult, it meant that throughout the conversation with you, you seemed less of importance for me. I apologize for not judging your mental capabilities more closely. Thought that you would understand it. (Oh P.S. , i didn't directly insult anyone with any kind of bad words or words that have a bad context, logs can be checked if neccessary. I may have thrown a bad word such as "shit, fuuck, cuunt",  at some point out of general frustration, but not directly at anyone)

And y'all seem to forget the fundementals of this, this all is for a couple of rounds without warningshots (Which in my personal opinion is justified)
You're all generally pissed off because i didn't kill you when you were trying to rebel? (Yes, escaping areas is rebelling, in which case you were permitted to not give warningshots) So instead of comming here, telling me to read rules more closely, you forget them yourself?
Demoes can be checked, i didn't even touch the prisoners that at least tried to complete the command (staying at the back wall, jumping and slashing even if i said that they should freeze and face the wall)
I killed the prisoners that were completely out of the areas that they should be in (All in demoes, folks)

Let me quote this

Warning shots must always be given. This however does not apply if a prisoner is rebelling or lost a game. Do not kill prisoners for slightest mistake or a misstep (moving an inch, slashing a knife by accident, etc.)!

Is completely being out of an area considered rebelling? The runners? (If you think not, just recall when someone straight-up murderers a missing terrorist, he's being out of an area, and killing missing t's is acceptable?)
If so, technically, i did not break any rules, but yet again, jailbreak rules can never be perfect, and it's an admin's job to decide what is right and what is not.
I'm done here, i won't post any longer, as i said, it's your job to judge.

[Andrew`]

I was not in the server when this happened but when I came and asked to him (a map later), he admitted that he was not giving warning shots. He was basically the only Officer and there were 12 prisoners. He was undergoing pressure and he thought he could stop giving warning shots. But I told him that warning shots must be given in all cases unless the player wins a game or tries to rebel. It was not totally his fault but also ratio's fault since nobody else than him went to the CT team at this time. Now he understands it and let's hope that he won't do it again.

Cheers.

We both know nothing is an excuse to break rules, secondly Siggy was CT with him too, thirdly if he CANNOT handle it he could easily leave, when I told him to give warning shots he said smth like "ofc not, you're too many", what's that supposed to mean? Last but not least, apologising 1 map later when eventually an admin comes and not correcting the mistake while we were constantly asking him to give WS is kinda late don't you think? I'm not accusing you ofc, but I find his reasoning lame tbh.

I'm suprised that admin would say something like that "killing fd guy for no reason". I apologized to the guy like 3 times and gave him an another freeday the day after.
And you're butthurt because i didn't give you warningshots for a couple o' rounds? You're acting like I opened the cells and just shot whoever i wanted. I mean, what the ****?!

Anyways, i think that my reasons were justified and i've already talked to refresh about this.

As an admin I am obligated to follow the rules, all I know is you shot a glowed guy on the head who could've survived if you had follow the warnings policy. Secondly, no, it wasn't for a couple of rounds. Thirdly even IF it was for a couple of rounds, you still broke the rules and didn't give a shit, opening the cells and shooting everyone is not the only way to brake the rules,  that's not reasoning either, if you have a serious excuse, please, share, but things like "they were too many" or "it was for a couple of rounds" doesn't cancel the rules, as far as I know.

Regards.

[Frank]

I have edited my previous post, i suggest you read it, all explained there

[Koray]

I was online at that time. Thanks Tony for reporting him.. He doesn't respect the rules! Just standing is a reason for him to kill us.. Just unfair! Many people witnessed that he free killed.. If you guys ain't thinking of banning him.. CT ban him at least! BTW.. He also was like "Wanna disrespect you?" Is that even mature? Frank.. I warned you a lot.. 'Give ws in whatever case' But you never understood.. It's not our problem if the other CT is AFK.. you MUST give ws dude.. Read rules once more ffs! So, it's time you take a brake from Ambrosia servers, right guys?

sigh....
Do you NOT read before you post?

EDIT: Oh, i didn't see kiricom's post, let me bash your argument real quick
Go around disrespecting everyone? Let me remind you of the conversation:
You: Respect please
Me: I didn't disrespect anyone
You: Yea but try to respect everyone
Me: As i said i didn't disrespect anyone, but i might disrespecting you.

That's not letter-to-letter accurate conversation, but that's the general context (Logs can be checked if u desire so)
It was kind of a passive insult, it meant that throughout the conversation with you, you seemed less of importance for me. I apologize for not judging your mental capabilities more closely. Thought that you would understand it. (Oh P.S. , i didn't directly insult anyone with any kind of bad words or words that have a bad context, logs can be checked if neccessary. I may have thrown a bad word such as "shit, fuuck, cuunt",  at some point out of general frustration, but not directly at anyone)

And y'all seem to forget the fundementals of this, this all is for a couple of rounds without warningshots (Which in my personal opinion is justified)
You're all generally pissed off because i didn't kill you when you were trying to rebel? (Yes, escaping areas is rebelling, in which case you were permitted to not give warningshots) So instead of comming here, telling me to read rules more closely, you forget them yourself?
Demoes can be checked, i didn't even touch the prisoners that at least tried to complete the command (staying at the back wall, jumping and slashing even if i said that they should freeze and face the wall)
I killed the prisoners that were completely out of the areas that they should be in (All in demoes, folks)

Let me quote this

Warning shots must always be given. This however does not apply if a prisoner is rebelling or lost a game. Do not kill prisoners for slightest mistake or a misstep (moving an inch, slashing a knife by accident, etc.)!

Is completely being out of an area considered rebelling? The runners? (If you think not, just recall when someone straight-up murderers a missing terrorist, he's being out of an area, and killing missing t's is acceptable?)
If so, technically, i did not break any rules, but yet again, jailbreak rules can never be perfect, and it's an admin's job to decide what is right and what is not.
I'm done here, i won't post any longer, as i said, it's your job to judge.

There is your story, #DontMessWithFrank.

[CoiNNN]

Koray according to the demo,
The guy was walking slow to cage and he just shot him while counting too,
clearly no warning shots were given throughout the days you were commanding...
Also it does look like you was ruining most of the servers moods, and your attitude is really bad against your other ct's swearing and telling them to be quite is not the right way to stop someone from speaking over you.

Now in-conclusion,
I do think a ban will be really harsh looking at other complaints which we warned...
Also what Refresh said it does look like he learnt from his mistake - but rules are rules.

You will be warned now, if you are reported for the same reason or breaking the rule you will be banned for couple hours or days depending on the rule...


-Thanks, learn your lesson please.

[WARNED]