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Offline Ed

Undercover in the cheating scene
« on: November 25, 2014, 07:28:02 pm »
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Interview: Undercover in the cheating scene - Earnings in the 5-digit region25.11.2014, 16:00

Former cheat-coder says it all

In the last couple of days there were VAC-bans given to some professional players which exposed a never seen scandal. We had the chance to talk with a former cheat-coder who wants to stay anonym though. Nevertheless he came up with some details how the structure of the cheating-scene looks like and how much money a cheat-coder earns for his coding. The result is an exciting interview with answers you would have never imagined.

How can we envision the cheating scene? Do the world’s best cheat-coders know each other, or is everyone doing his own thing, trying to develop the best hack? How many guys out there are offering private hacks?

All the people in this scene are connected to each other. Two of the best cheat-coders, ko1n and supex0, are from Germany. There's supposed to be a really good coder in Russia, but I didn't see any source code from him yet, so I can’t say much about him. But there is also a damn good one in Denmark called Tobys who can be compared to ko1n. Organner on the other hand is not a good hack, there is a big difference between our private hacks and x22, Organner, or Yunosolution.

Read the whole interview here.
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Offline Rubix

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2014, 07:29:00 pm »
Read this earlier in college, saw it in reddit and I found it to be quite an interesting read. Would suggest it :)
If only TS3 was like this all the time <3




Offline Ed

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2014, 07:31:50 pm »
Read this earlier in college, saw it in reddit and I found it to be quite an interesting read. Would suggest it :)

You mean today? As it is only posted by today :D
25.11.2014, 16:00
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Offline Rubix

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2014, 07:33:39 pm »
Read this earlier in college, saw it in reddit and I found it to be quite an interesting read. Would suggest it :)

You mean today? As it is only posted by today :D
25.11.2014, 16:00
Ya I mean today, said earlier in college which was today :D
If only TS3 was like this all the time <3




Offline Ed

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2014, 07:37:54 pm »
Read this earlier in college, saw it in reddit and I found it to be quite an interesting read. Would suggest it :)

You mean today? As it is only posted by today :D
25.11.2014, 16:00
Ya I mean today, said earlier in college which was today :D

Yeah haha, was a good read. I found it through this topic http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=29674.0;topicseen
I was searching what RayW provided http://www.d3scene.com/forum/members/blauman.html
Through that guys posts actually.
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Offline Mister

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2014, 07:39:57 pm »
Well i can say that tobys is damn good :D Leis.exe FTW!   :D
Interesting interview tho

Offline Zizu~

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2014, 08:59:44 pm »
Well i can say that tobys is damn good :D Leis.exe FTW!   :D
Interesting interview tho

Hacker. xD

Offline Duke Devlin

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2014, 09:53:52 pm »
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Offline Razzi

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2014, 10:04:44 pm »
oh leis ma good old friend
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Hahaha

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Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2014, 10:47:47 pm »
Great material. Helped me get a better picture on cheats... Thank you for the info :)

Offline thEnd

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2014, 06:34:57 am »
Germans talking about German coders sure will call them top guys on the market. I'd suggest you dig more into east..

However the first step is freelancer dot com. Check there the market (Csgo league hacks) and that would lead you futher..

But I will not spoil much more, too many rich kids around :D

Offline Rawrplus

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2014, 09:25:22 am »
Germans talking about German coders sure will call them top guys on the market. I'd suggest you dig more into east..

However the first step is freelancer dot com. Check there the market (Csgo league hacks) and that would lead you futher..

But I will not spoil much more, too many rich kids around :D

Trust me, coders are not divided by geography,  most in fact cooperate and share sources with each other behind the scenes


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Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 09:44:02 am »
Germans talking about German coders sure will call them top guys on the market. I'd suggest you dig more into east..

However the first step is freelancer dot com. Check there the market (Csgo league hacks) and that would lead you futher..

But I will not spoil much more, too many rich kids around :D

Trust me, coders are not divided by geography,  most in fact cooperate and share sources with each other behind the scenes

Thats what I'm talking about, if you wanna talk about this very discrete thing, Europeans are not the best.. Wink wink.. It's not geography but it's not Germans who are raping esea..

Offline Rawrplus

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2014, 12:45:00 pm »
Germans talking about German coders sure will call them top guys on the market. I'd suggest you dig more into east..

However the first step is freelancer dot com. Check there the market (Csgo league hacks) and that would lead you futher..

But I will not spoil much more, too many rich kids around :D

Trust me, coders are not divided by geography,  most in fact cooperate and share sources with each other behind the scenes

Thats what I'm talking about, if you wanna talk about this very discrete thing, Europeans are not the best.. Wink wink.. It's not geography but it's not Germans who are raping esea..

Yup. I do have a cheating history back in the days I used to play cod4, there were the public hacks with open source that were detectable and then there were private under-ground communities that like only 100 people knew of that provided undetectable services, where the best coders exchanged their codes and co-operated. I had my contacts back then (and you'd be surprised what a greedy 14 year old kid would do to be the undoubted best), so I got to know them. I won't share any names (of the coders or hacks) but I can speak from experience then yeah.. Most hacks, although mainly put together by one author are more often that not collective work of many big-time names in the hacking industry. Uhm yes, the most deadly usually originate from small Asia (Russia), but that is a generalization.. and yeah Germany is quite associable with hacking, so is Poland. Those are 2 biggest cheater nations in gaming I know of.


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Offline Alves

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2014, 01:04:10 pm »
Cheating on cod4? :(
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I'm eagerly waiting for upcoming vac bans but it seems to me it'll only damage the professional scene even further.
Will surely make sponsors think twice about associating their brand to an individual player or team.

Offline Rawrplus

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2014, 01:08:34 pm »
Cheating on cod4? :(
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I'm eagerly waiting for upcoming vac bans but it seems to me it'll only damage the professional scene even further.
Will surely make sponsors think twice about associating their brand to an individual player or team.

Hey don't judge, I was a kid back then. And the last year before cod4 promod scene died I played clean as I matured up :D



And well, honestly, I don't see future in eSports in FPS genre, as long as a game is FPS oriented, there will always be cheaters in it, professional scene included. I mean heck, there are hackers in almost any popular game, it just only goes twice as far, as far as shooters go

If I were a sponsor, I would never look for a cod/bf/cs/quake etc team, the chance of a) my players cheating b) enemy team cheating making my players unable to win is just too high. Not to mention, you have to manage unstable angsty teens living under one roof which I can't think of one story of  a team that lasted longer than 3 years without internal issues. It will take good 10 years before eSports scene is no longer that fragile and becomes properly organized and becomes a respected sport in modern society.

The only place I can think of which has professionally integrated scene is South Korea for SC II and League of Legends (They never were into Shooters). But at the moment, other games, be it in Europe, North America or any other place are too unstable to invest in, unless you are a serious esports enthusiast and got money to throw around.

I mean, in Korea, it's big corporations like SK Telecom, Samsung, Jin Air, KT Rolster behind teams, not small shady organizations founded over night and western e-sports got hell of a chasing to do, to even get remotely close to stable and functioning infrastructure in gaming.
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Offline Alves

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2014, 01:46:36 pm »
Cod4 is the only cod I bought and I played it untill it bored me. Never cheated though, but I understand your point :D

People cheat on all sorts of games, hey I used to play PES 2010 online and I was stunned to see people cheating to get + rep on a football game. It was ludicrous. Heard the same thing still happens in the latest installment of the game, yet I only played a couple of games offline with friends.

Offline 'PL'

Re: Undercover in the cheating scene
« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2014, 01:54:44 pm »
That's why, build up your APM.

When AoE2Hd came out, you wouldn't believe how many ppl came back to the pro scene, and their age groups.