[JB] Selfing for admins and oldies

[Andrew`]

I suggest that admins and oldies(just because admins know them) should not be allowed to self to CT, I'm tired of seeing the same CTs over and over again and others begging for a chance and never get it. I think admins should make a vote each time for the first 4 to say "me" faster and include themselves in the vote even without having to say "me" as they're admins, but I guess that's more than enough. Some admins consider their rights just a way to have fun and going CT, no offence for the High Staff(especially H.A. and H.A.A) but some of them consider their rights only a privilege, not a duty.

Also, for the common excuse "there was no admin online", I personally(and I think everyone should do it) ask every player in Ts if they want me to be CT, and if most of them(at least 2/3) say yes, then I self.

Please do not post things such as "you suggest that because you're not admin there" as I applied for JB already so I lose too and "you're saying this so you get more chances to be CT" as I never ask to be CT so new players get more chances.

Regards.

[Red Wolf]

Well, some admins make vote for CT. Maybe a question or random. But what I see here is "NO ADMIN ONLINE". Yes, many players self. Maybe (if possible) try to make/find/edit any CT vote plugin. Like rtv. Where Ts type @command@ and random Ts are choosen to be in vote.

[D00M]

The rules state that people can self if there's no admins online. Why admins should not self? It is like taking the selfing rule away. I personally wouldn't change anything. Just because admins go ct I bet they do not think it is a priviledge, I guess admins can play too in server which they like am I right? And admins chooses the way how they choose ct's, some of admins choose straight away and some admins make a vote.

Please don't make stupid suggestions.

[NexT]

I do not think we have admins who let people self like that no matter who he is, Its either they talked on steam or on TeamSpeak3 or somewhere before selfing, And then people think that they selfed without asking but for real they did ..

Selfing for admins is fine since they are administrating the server and its ok if they go CT for a map i mean they deserve having the permission of going CT i guess.

But for oldies if they didn't ask any admin they go back T oldie or not rules are rules.

There you go , you got my opinion.

[Andrew`]

The rules state that people can self if there's no admins online. Why admins should not self? It is like taking the selfing rule away. I personally wouldn't change anything. Just because admins go ct I bet they do not think it is a priviledge, I guess admins can play too in server which they like am I right? And admins chooses the way how they choose ct's, some of admins choose straight away and some admins make a vote.

Please don't make stupid suggestions.

First of all, I got every single right to make a suggestion so I would appreciate if you watched your tone dear "admin". Secondly, how is "choosing a CT" by selfing the moment they join the server? How's that "choosing" anyway?

I do not think we have admins who let people self like that no matter who he is, Its either they talked on steam or on TeamSpeak3 or somewhere before selfing, And then people think that they selfed without asking but for real they did ..

Selfing for admins is fine since they are administrating the server and its ok if they go CT for a map i mean they deserve having the permission of going CT i guess.

But for oldies if they didn't ask any admin they go back T oldie or not rules are rules.

There you go , you got my opinion.

That's what I'm wondering, I had been admin in JB servers before, WHY do they deserve the privilege to self? But even if they do, let's forget that part, I've seen many oldies self with people reporting it in server and NO, nothing happened, and I'm pretty sure it was not because of TS3, but still, why should I be able to self everytime because I talk to you on TS3(example)?

['PL']

Well oldies get to have that freedom because they PLAYED HERE BEFORE
and for a community in aspiration should reward them with those small benefits because they know who they are.

Same goes for administrators, if sami didn't lost his marbles when he accepted a guy, it's probably because he is fulfilling in the quota of a consistent and pleasant ct to administer a friendly atmosphere. Right now, those candidates are quite rare because many oldies left which carry the title oldies because they were great to play with and against, so maybe you'll see some administrator that is not quite capable in multiple points of view, but it's just somebody that is active for the moment so other admins don't have to be bothered as they are few and less.


That's why u see that, so called "unfairness". People know the guy can withstand pressure and be bothered to speak for 40 mins on the microphone and make games. Repetitive stuff is never anything to make out a community for, but it does the job.

[Pringles]

So according to your suggestion, we should let random people to go to the CT team and not allow Oldies nor Admins to do it.

Please, could you at least explain in what this will help the Jailbreak Server?

You cannot please everyone by trying to make something good so there will always be people who won't be given the chance to be in the Officer Team.

I often make a vote when I need to choose CT's even if that's not always the case but you cannot discriminate Oldies and Jailbreak Admins only because you see them quite often in the CT Team.

Admins are free to choose whoever they want to join the CT team, everyone has the same chances and there should not be rules about it.

[Red Wolf]

Well oldies get to have that freedom because they PLAYED HERE BEFORE
and for a community in aspiration should reward them with those small benefits because they know who they are.

Same goes for administrators, if sami didn't lost his marbles when he accepted a guy, it's probably because he is fulfilling in the quota of a consistent and pleasant ct to administer a friendly atmosphere. Right now, those candidates are quite rare because many oldies left which carry the title oldies because they were great to play with and against, so maybe you'll see some administrator that is not quite capable in multiple points of view, but it's just somebody that is active for the moment so other admins don't have to be bothered as they are few and less.


That's why u see that, so called "unfairness". People know the guy can withstand pressure and be bothered to speak for 40 mins on the microphone and make games. Repetitive stuff is never anything to make out a community for, but it does the job.

I think you are right. TBH Jb was funnier before and I  think that bringing those days back for a while would be great. There are only a few oldies which rarely join JB, and when they join, they get CT. I agree, if they come very rearly, why not, but if he (oldies) comes every day then its not called LEFT anymore. I dont think that oldies are problem here.

[NexT]

If you talk to any admin on teamspeak3 or steam or in server or anywhere and ask for the permission to self , Yes you're allowed because asking permission to be a CT on server or outside the server is the same thing ...

And i repeat Oldies should also follow the rules if he's an Oldie doesn't mean he can break them mate, He either asked an admin somewhere you didn't see or selfed and that admin i don't know why he didn't put him back thats why we have the report section which isn't worth such thing but if you see such thing you can pm the Head admin or Head admin assistant of the server and name the admin with some proves and they can have a little chat with the admin.

[Andrew`]

Well oldies get to have that freedom because they PLAYED HERE BEFORE
and for a community in aspiration should reward them with those small benefits because they know who they are.

Same goes for administrators, if sami didn't lost his marbles when he accepted a guy, it's probably because he is fulfilling in the quota of a consistent and pleasant ct to administer a friendly atmosphere. Right now, those candidates are quite rare because many oldies left which carry the title oldies because they were great to play with and against, so maybe you'll see some administrator that is not quite capable in multiple points of view, but it's just somebody that is active for the moment so other admins don't have to be bothered as they are few and less.


That's why u see that, so called "unfairness". People know the guy can withstand pressure and be bothered to speak for 40 mins on the microphone and make games. Repetitive stuff is never anything to make out a community for, but it does the job.

I quite get what you mean, but don't misunderstand me, by saying oldies I don't mean people that have always been here, as they're few. What I really mean is exactly what you said with repetitive ideas. There are some people that seem to know the rules and beg to be once CT and they don't get the chance and all we see are repetitive games from the same people. What if someone else has better ideas? I personally almost never go CT because I know I'd make the game boring(haven't played for years until I started again a month ago so I've lost all the ideas I had the past years). This also combines with let's call it "justice" of how players should be treated and how admins treat them, by ignoring them.

Anyway, I guess it's not working out, so you could deny it, my opinion still holds though..

['PL']

Well justice, but would you prefer to experiment with new people and have 1/2 of the server angry and bored with intention to leave, or keep it repetitive so people will just play and whine for normal things like fd.


When ambrosia experiments, it happens once per year. And to get a experiment going you either need to have a highstaff that shares your idea or tons of supports for it.
Why you also think I don't want to go ct often, because it will not be great on my reputation page
15 years on the game and still can't bloody shot. But that's what you get for being a jailbreak player.

[CoiNNN]

I personally tend to ask for who wants CT,

and pick the ones which I know are good CT's and that have a good mic.

Whereas some people say "me" but do not have a mic / know rules.

So picking oldies is not always bad since they know rules and usually have good mic:P

[Red Wolf]

I think that admins should choose 2 CTs that they think are good and 1 CT who is new. So he can learn from them.

[Andrew`]

Well justice, but would you prefer to experiment with new people and have 1/2 of the server angry and bored with intention to leave, or keep it repetitive so people will just play and whine for normal things like fd.


When ambrosia experiments, it happens once per year. And to get a experiment going you either need to have a highstaff that shares your idea or tons of supports for it.
Why you also think I don't want to go ct often, because it will not be great on my reputation page
15 years on the game and still can't bloody shot. But that's what you get for being a jailbreak player.

Same here, everyday I wake up and think "time to kill some people", I open CS, and try to aim at enemies, my next reaction is "oh god".

I personally tend to ask for who wants CT,

and pick the ones which I know are good CT's and that have a good mic.

Whereas some people say "me" but do not have a mic / know rules.

So picking oldies is not always bad since they know rules and usually have good mic:P

Indeed, and I'm not talking about you as I know you and how good an admin you are, but some don't even bother see if there's any player that might know the rules and have mic.

I think that admins should choose 2 CTs that they think are good and 1 CT who is new. So he can learn from them.

That would also be a great idea, "learning the rules", the sentence some admins keep spamming all over the server gets easier with practice.

Anyway, I'm sure it won't be considered(as Replica also suggested) so let's end this here.

[Duke Devlin]

lol why the hell would you make a suggestion topic and then get super pissed when someone gives negative feedback
lol.

[P o p a y]

I will only ask one question:

Why changing something which is not bad/broken?

No one complained about it, and it is always solved in a couple of minutes (making the CT team).

Regards,
Popay

[Andrew`]

lol why the hell would you make a suggestion topic and then get super pissed when someone gives negative feedback
lol.

And where exactly did I get super pissed off? o.O Please do show me, because all I remember is saying that seems like it won't be approved so I guess it could end here. Still, if you don't have a point about my suggestion/complaint then why post here in the first place dude?

I will only ask one question:

Why changing something which is not bad/broken?

No one complained about it, and it is always solved in a couple of minutes (making the CT team).

Regards,
Popay

First of, I have seen people complaining about it in server, and also, this is sort of complain isn't it? I'm complaining about something which is bad, according to me at least.

Anyway, according to most feedback I'm wrong, so I guess this could be trashed..

[Zizu~]

I think that admins should choose 2 CTs that they think are good and 1 CT who is new. So he can learn from them.

Thats a great idea! +1

[Noex']

Tbh i'm not an oldie but i get picked "most" of the time since i learned to command and all that after 10 months and all.

Anyways i say give some new people a chance not gonna name anyone but still would be nice to have more new people who will learn from their mistakes while being a CT .

[Cowboy]

I know theres many new players want to be CT and giving them a chance is great but most of them dont know how to command dont know the rules or they dont want to command just going CT and let others command whole the map..this is not good too ,so admins cant pick these guys or maybe admins cant pick them as ct because we got hard maps like JB_snow with +20 T's its hard for them to control the game?

Selfing for admins is fine since they are administrating the server and its ok if they go CT for a map i mean they deserve having the permission of going CT i guess.

+1
if theres no one wants to be ct and theres an admin online he must go ct "old rules".