Wanna show that hes harsh

[liaN]

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[AMXBans] Banned by Admin: ElmErIaChI*VII*
[AMXBans] You can complain about your ban @ www.ambrosia-servers.eu
[AMXBans] Reason: 'Swearing'
[AMXBans] Duration: '3 hours'
[AMXBans] Your SteamID: 'STEAM_0:0:573449040'
[AMXBans] Your IP:
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Kicked by Console:  You are BANNED. Check your console.
Kicked : You are BANNED. Check you
I didnt do anything wrong, all what i did, is that 2 players kept saying i cheat, i told them f*ck off, this guy ElmErIaChI*VII* asked if im talking to him, i said no, he kicked me first time, then i entered back, on admin chat i told him, they kept saying i cheat, i told them f*ck off, thats all, and f*ck off isnt a swear, it means go away, then he banned for 3 hours ..

[Pim]

Checked logs, his story kind of makes sense in there. Bit harsh indeed, you didn't quite deserve a 3 hour ban as you actually got spammed for being a hacker.

Although it is still a swear word though

[Red Wolf]

Then, why u are saying f*ck off and not the whole word wothout *? U said its no swear huh? 

[liaN]

Then, why u are saying f*ck off and not the whole word wothout *? U said its no swear huh? 

Because it doesnt show on the forums lol it shows like that fuck

[Red Wolf]

Then, why u are saying f*ck off and not the whole word wothout *? U said its no swear huh? 

Because it doesnt show on the forums lol it shows like that ****

Then, why shows it **** and not whole word?

[liaN]

Then, why u are saying f*ck off and not the whole word wothout *? U said its no swear huh? 

Because it doesnt show on the forums lol it shows like that ****

Then, why shows it **** and not whole word?

When i tell you f*ck off, do i swear on you? like f*ck you for example..
It means just go away.

Checked logs, his story kind of makes sense in there. Bit harsh indeed, you didn't quite deserve a 3 hour ban as you actually got spammed for being a hacker.

Although it is still a swear word though

No problem ill wait, it was just too harsh, he was going to do the same thing witn another player, he warmed a player with 1 week ban for one word swear, like he never swore, what a player.

[Pim]

I would strongly advice you to not use f*ck as it is considered a swearing word by the majority, just because you don't think it's a swearing word doesn't mean others won't take it as one, therefore it's best to just avoid it

[Andrew`]

Then, why u are saying f*ck off and not the whole word wothout *? U said its no swear huh? 

Because it doesnt show on the forums lol it shows like that ****

Then, why shows it **** and not whole word?

I would strongly advice you to not use f*ck as it is considered a swearing word by the majority, just because you don't think it's a swearing word doesn't mean others won't take it as one, therefore it's best to just avoid it

I don't know about you guys, but I still wouldn't ban a player for 3 hours for just saying "f*ck off" or even "f*ck you" just once.

[Pim]

Read my first post please, i said i think itm's way too harsh as well, even though we don't know the story behind them. But i wouldn't say fuck isn't a swear word nor should you use it as a normal word

[Red Wolf]

Then, why u are saying f*ck off and not the whole word wothout *? U said its no swear huh? 

Because it doesnt show on the forums lol it shows like that ****

Then, why shows it **** and not whole word?

I would strongly advice you to not use f*ck as it is considered a swearing word by the majority, just because you don't think it's a swearing word doesn't mean others won't take it as one, therefore it's best to just avoid it

I don't know about you guys, but I still wouldn't ban a player for 3 hours for just saying "f*ck off" or even "f*ck you" just once.

He kicked him once. read the topic.

[Pim]

Then, why u are saying f*ck off and not the whole word wothout *? U said its no swear huh? 

Because it doesnt show on the forums lol it shows like that ****

Then, why shows it **** and not whole word?

I would strongly advice you to not use f*ck as it is considered a swearing word by the majority, just because you don't think it's a swearing word doesn't mean others won't take it as one, therefore it's best to just avoid it

I don't know about you guys, but I still wouldn't ban a player for 3 hours for just saying "f*ck off" or even "f*ck you" just once.

He kicked him once. read the topic.

And i checked logs and he didn't actually repeat it except for saying that he thinks it is not a swear word.

Anyways, i wonder who this admin is as i can't find him in staff list. @presto ?

[X-KilleR]

it is @elmeriachi501 , he banned him for swearing,  fu**k off is a clear swear and according to rule of dd2, and more important ambrosia general rule , swearing is direct ban, now 3 hours isnt a big deal imho 

[Burzum]

sry for interfere here, but i would like to share my opinion

f*** off is not a big swear, but its punishable. admin did fine, 1st a warning kick, and after that a short ban. im totally agree

but ALSO admins should kick/mute those guys spamming about lian cheating too, and not only ban lian for defending himself

if admins dont handle these kind of situations, players will do by theirselves, and then, troubles are coming

[P o p a y]

I must write my opinion..

Why do you say "F*ck off" if you can say "Go away" - You said it means the same so it is your fault. If someone says you are a cheater, it's the admin job to take care of it. To find whether you cheat or not. But if you break rule because of someone else (and you got nervous of it), it's not their fault it's your Fault.

I agree with the 3 Hour Ban. Plus it has expired already, and I recommend dropping this Complaint.

Regards,
Popay

[Ed]

sry for interfere here, but i would like to share my opinion

f*** off is not a big swear, but its punishable. admin did fine, 1st a warning kick, and after that a short ban. im totally agree

but ALSO admins should kick/mute those guys spamming about lian cheating too, and not only ban lian for defending himself

if admins dont handle these kind of situations, players will do by theirselves, and then, troubles are coming

I agree completely on this. Admins should stop that kind a behaviour from others. So it goes vice versa.
I do believe DD2 and Public admins need to be reminded of this.

[anyo]

sry for interfere here, but i would like to share my opinion

f*** off is not a big swear, but its punishable. admin did fine, 1st a warning kick, and after that a short ban. im totally agree

but ALSO admins should kick/mute those guys spamming about lian cheating too, and not only ban lian for defending himself

if admins dont handle these kind of situations, players will do by theirselves, and then, troubles are coming

I agree completely on this. Admins should stop that kind a behaviour from others. So it goes vice versa.
I do believe DD2 and Public admins need to be reminded of this.

f**k off is not a big swear word? Sorry guys but I beg to differ.. if you're going to disallow swear words... this should include all swear words....

What words do you guys class as bannable then? sigh

[Ed]

@anyo I do believe you should read what Burzum said. It is punishable. It's not a big deal, since there are worse ways to insult someone.
A lot of people say things like "f*** off" when they are pissed off etc. The reasons why this particular player got pissed off was because of the constant abuse he gets from other players.

Admins are there for stopping such occurrences as well, specially if they have checked the player and have acknowledged them as clean player.

[Santa]

Let me make this clear from my opinion,
When saying the words "fuck" "whats the fuck" "fuckoff" yet your are not directly swearing agains somebody, but when you say like " fuck you" yet you are directly swearing agains someone which is called insulting which deserve a ban. I would rather keep punishing someone who keeps swearing indirectly than using the ban command,,  and when it comes to insulting yet banning are completely justified! Because insulting is completely strictly disallowed

In conclusion both direct swears and indirect swears are not allowed and admins should balance their punishing types between both sides !

[WILLIE]

think you should consider the story before the ban not start talking about classing fkoff as a swear word or w/e lol
the guy was accused by random players and he was just defending himself, maybe the admin should ve thought of calming down the players who wereaccusing lian, instead of acting big like "u talking to me?" lol...really thats wtf..

3 hours is a big deal for someone who didnt deserve it.

[presto]

Context is key here when it comes to swearing/cursing.

Is there a difference between saying 'f***' when say you've been killed and telling someone to 'f*** off', yes. Is it still the Admin's job to caution/warn the player for said word, yes.

In a perfect world every Admin would behave exactly the same, going through the correct steps before taking drastic action (banning a player is drastic in my eyes no matter what the length). However, we are not all robots and so whether an Admin tackles the hecklers first, or @liaN first, only the Admin can answer to.

All that aside, I won't dispute @elmeriachi501 actions, even if a little on the harsh side because technically the rule was broken and warnings ignored.

I personally would have gagged the player for 5 minutes then un-gagged as opposed to banning but that just goes back to how individuals tend to wave there wand.

There is a small but valuable lesson to this and I hope all that read it pick up those lessons:

• Stick to the rules as breaking or trying to bend them do not go unpunished. There is at times players of a young age that join the server and language needs to be kept clean for a good reason.
• Admins have a lesson to learn too - try to keep your Admin powers at bay if possible. Communicate with the player(s), it really helps and I have resolved a lot of tension simply by talking. Banning someone is very serious so make sure it's the absolute last resort because there is always a better way to solve the problem.

On a minor note to end this message, do not see this thread as a negative discussion. It's a healthy debate and a great way to have everyones input. There is still much we can learn from each other and evolve with the times. This will help the community grow and become stronger.