Scottish Independence

[tajski]

It has got to be posted, one of the biggest "elections" in United Kingdom. Something that can't be re-done after five years. It's something that will change Scotland forever! I'm a #YES voter as I think that Scots should get what they truly want and that is freedom from the Tories and David Cameron. They want to have their own government and control over it. They're getting told that by being together they're stronger and they have the power to control certain things which is a total lie. It's Cameron and his lads that have got it all, not the Scots. That's all this is basically about. I'm talking briefly here but a good point is being made by someone that I'll be honest, I don't like. Yup, it's Russell Brand but here is one reason why dispite my dislike I do respect the guy!

[Timmer|Lv]

[terraboN]

UK just wants to stay with Scotland due to the amount of oil they have, i don't care myself if scotland separates.

[sMiT]

Tbh i havnt even followed anything to do with the Scottish independence. I only know that its plastered all over the news, hundreds of documentaries, retards jumping onto the bandwagon every 20 seconds. Personally i couldn't care less if Scotland stays in the UK or not.

[Dr.Richtofen]

I'm someone who goes for #NOTHANKS although I'm under age and therefore cannot vote. Scotland is fine as it is, separating from Britain would most likely do bad for it. Considering the fact they'll have to either use the Euro or make their new currency -- Meanwhile the Pound is one of the best currencies standing today, from what I hear. They'd loose the NHS sooner or later, because the oil they have is not infinite.

The sad thing is, most 16 year olds around here, are retarded and just scream "YES SCOTLAND FREEDOM" like a bunch of patriotic idiots who simply can't think about the facts before they yell bullshit.

[Ḏ℮ηїαł]

Meh, bad for Scotland imo but what do I know 

idc tbh, just curious to whats going to happen 

[SilverQuick]

If Scotland says yes for independence then it will be the same case with Northern Ireland and the Wales and there will be no longer UK.

[tajski]

If Scotland says yes for independence then it will be the same case with Northern Ireland and the Wales and there will be no longer UK.

United Kingdom is made of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland at this moment and time.

[SilverQuick]

If Scotland says yes for independence then it will be the same case with Northern Ireland and the Wales and there will be no longer UK.

United Kingdom is made of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland at this moment and time.

Yes I know.

[Pim]

Seperating means they are out of the euro and can no longer use it anymore, they will need to ask whether they can be in the EU again..

[Dr.Richtofen]

Seperating means they are out of the euro and can no longer use it anymore, they will need to ask whether they can be in the EU again..

Wrong.

[Alves]

Seperating means they are out of the euro and can no longer use it anymore, they will need to ask whether they can be in the EU again..

Wrong.

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They might not need to reapply to EU again. Apparently, EU officials have changed their position concerning this.

[Dr.Richtofen]

Seperating means they are out of the euro and can no longer use it anymore, they will need to ask whether they can be in the EU again..

Wrong.

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They might not need to reapply to EU again. Apparently, EU officials have changed their position concerning this.

http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/will-scotland-be-european-union

[Pim]

Seperating means they are out of the euro and can no longer use it anymore, they will need to ask whether they can be in the EU again..

Wrong.

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They might not need to reapply to EU again. Apparently, EU officials have changed their position concerning this.

Oh well, i might be a bit outdated... -.-
It started off with them needing to have to reapply though

Not sure what is better for them then, not sure what is better at all. Oh well decision day is tomorrow anyways

[Raven E II R]

I find it a lot of rubbish to even consider such an option when the very basics haven't been clarified.

- They intend to keep the £. The argument saying it's Scotland's pound as rest of the UK's pound, well it says the Bank of England on the notes so I don't agree with that one, even though you have Scottish notes aswell, it's still controlled by the Bank of England. What independence is using a currency that will be controlled by the Bank of England? (Interest rates etc..)

- If they did keep the pound without a currency union, you cannot join the European Union.

- The threat of if we cannot have a currency union, we will default on our share of the debt. What a silly thing to say, what message does that send to borrowers about an independent Scotland? No one will lend to someone who defaults on their debts and if they do you will have high interest rates.

- What's the point in independence from the UK, if you just want to join the EU and give power to Brussels?

- What of the armed forces? You cannot build an army overnight and the cheek that they ask for frigates and other ships from the Royal Navy, they won't get them, you will have no navy or, at least a navy with proper warships.

- British Nuclear weapons, Trident will be impossible to move in the time allowed by the SNP.

- I don't agree allowing 16-17 year olds to vote. The legal age to vote is 18 and I think that was a very sly tactic to brainwash younger people with such things as 'if you vote yes, you will be £x richer' and younger people believe all this nonsense.

- You will lose being part of a permanent member of the UN security council, and have to rejoin all things such the UN, NATO, EU(unlikely if you keep the £ unofficially and it seems all new members must join the € and we all know that disasters that gives), the commonwealth and countless other treaties. = no global influence.

- Do they still want to use the BBC even tho they don't want to be part of the British State? SBC?

- How will you raise enough revenue for all the costs to establish this new "state" and keep it running? Oil? It's peak was over 15 years ago and going down, relying on oil? I don't think so.


The excuse to break up the British state for the excuse of the tory/labour party is silly, you think Scottish politicians are any different? No. Politicians are politicians and care about themselves and their career. Mr Alex seems to want the title Prime Minister of Scotland.

This union, this little country, is the most successful union in the world, our global influence and legacy is massive, I cannot think of one corner of the globe we haven't touched, our industrial history, business.

SNP saying independence will solve everything just magically I am fed up of hearing.

Scotland has their own government and a lot of devolved powers with even more to come.. It has the best of both worlds.. I think England actually has a raw deal in this when I think of it.. It has no devolved powers of its own.

I have sworn my allegiance to the Queen and this UNITED KINGDOM. Along with other members of my family who have or serve in the armed forces. My grandparents fought in WWII for this union, for the British state to continue and I feel quite sad for those who want to break up this country of countries.

I believe and hope it will be a no vote, and that most do come to their senses. There is no going back if it all goes wrong.

[X-KilleR]

Scot independance will be a green light to others in Europe to seek their own independance like catalan in spain

[tajski]

I find it a lot of rubbish to even consider such an option when the very basics haven't been clarified.

- They intend to keep the £. The argument saying it's Scotland's pound as rest of the UK's pound, well it says the Bank of England on the notes so I don't agree with that one, even though you have Scottish notes aswell, it's still controlled by the Bank of England. What independence is using a currency that will be controlled by the Bank of England? (Interest rates etc..)

- If they did keep the pound without a currency union, you cannot join the European Union.

- The threat of if we cannot have a currency union, we will default on our share of the debt. What a silly thing to say, what message does that send to borrowers about an independent Scotland? No one will lend to someone who defaults on their debts and if they do you will have high interest rates.

- What's the point in independence from the UK, if you just want to join the EU and give power to Brussels?

- What of the armed forces? You cannot build an army overnight and the cheek that they ask for frigates and other ships from the Royal Navy, they won't get them, you will have no navy or, at least a navy with proper warships.

- British Nuclear weapons, Trident will be impossible to move in the time allowed by the SNP.

- I don't agree allowing 16-17 year olds to vote. The legal age to vote is 18 and I think that was a very sly tactic to brainwash younger people with such things as 'if you vote yes, you will be £x richer' and younger people believe all this nonsense.

- You will lose being part of a permanent member of the UN security council, and have to rejoin all things such the UN, NATO, EU(unlikely if you keep the £ unofficially and it seems all new members must join the € and we all know that disasters that gives), the commonwealth and countless other treaties. = no global influence.

- Do they still want to use the BBC even tho they don't want to be part of the British State? SBC?

- How will you raise enough revenue for all the costs to establish this new "state" and keep it running? Oil? It's peak was over 15 years ago and going down, relying on oil? I don't think so.


The excuse to break up the British state for the excuse of the tory/labour party is silly, you think Scottish politicians are any different? No. Politicians are politicians and care about themselves and their career. Mr Alex seems to want the title Prime Minister of Scotland.

This union, this little country, is the most successful union in the world, our global influence and legacy is massive, I cannot think of one corner of the globe we haven't touched, our industrial history, business.

SNP saying independence will solve everything just magically I am fed up of hearing.

Scotland has their own government and a lot of devolved powers with even more to come.. It has the best of both worlds.. I think England actually has a raw deal in this when I think of it.. It has no devolved powers of its own.

I have sworn my allegiance to the Queen and this UNITED KINGDOM. Along with other members of my family who have or serve in the armed forces. My grandparents fought in WWII for this union, for the British state to continue and I feel quite sad for those who want to break up this country of countries.

I believe and hope it will be a no vote, and that most do come to their senses. There is no going back if it all goes wrong.

First of all, welcome back! Nice to see you wake up from the hibernation.

Coming back to voting, us, Poles have fought for 120 years in order to regain our own independence and peace in the country. I just think that if the Scots are willing to go ahead with their plans they should be allowed to do so. After all they'll be suffering and not the English. Of course England wants to stay together as a huge part of United Kingdom is about to leave but as far as I heard, (we) do have various natural resources that we can live off. Whether they will last for centuries or not I think if they have at least one or two income sources they should be fine. I'm not saying that England and the English are greedy but obviously they don't want to separate as a huge source of money is about to leave.

I apologize straight-away but I'm not into politics and I can't hold a proper debate about my point of view although I do believe that Scots should be capable of being independent. Sure, it will be a shame leaving after all the years but (we) are sick of being controlled by Cameron and I do know that politicians are politicians, they do things which will provide enough money for them and their families.

I'm Polish and this is about Scottish Independence not Polish. I do live in Scotland but I'm not going to vote. I am with the rest of the YES voters but it's up to the Scots what they decide to do. It will definitely affect them but in what way, we'll find out tomorrow.

Hopefully they'll get a result that will make them happy. For me, independence would be an exciting prospect. It's going to be a huge change and something new.

[Ed]

What Is Politics?

A little boy goes to his dad and asks, "What is politics?"

Dad says, "Well son, let me try to explain it this way: I'm the breadwinner of the family, so let's call me capitalism. Your Mom, she's the administrator of the money, so we'll call her the Government. We're here to take care of your needs, so we'll call you the people. The nanny, we'll consider her the Working Class. And your baby brother, we'll call him the Future. Now, think about that and see if that makes sense,"

So the little boy goes off to bed thinking about what dad had said.

Later that night, he hears his baby brother crying, so he gets up to check on him. He finds that the baby has severely soiled his diaper. So the little boy goes to his parents' room and finds his mother sound asleep. Not wanting to wake her, he goes to the nanny's room. Finding the door locked, he peeks in the keyhole and sees his father in bed with the nanny. He gives up and goes back to bed. The next morning, the little boy says to his father, "Dad, I think I understand the concept of politics now."

The father says, "Good son, tell me in your own words what you think politics is all about."

The little boy replies, "Well, while Capitalism is screwing the Working Class, the Government is sound asleep, the People are being ignored and the Future is in deep poo."

Don't be mad on Cameron, Tony blare and all other predecessors in major roles, be mad on yourself and the people who live in UK, but just let this ridicule keep on going!

If Scotland wants to break free, well they will face a dumpster. I understand that the situation aint the nicest, but if they split, imagine how worse it will get for them. Not to mention greed and power is why this has been put up as a question.

[SilverQuick]

Scot independance will be a green light to others in Europe to seek their own independance like catalan in spain

True, but not just catalan there are other nations that want to be free.

[Alves]

Politicians are politicians and care about themselves and their career.

In the end of the day this is the one and only truth. Doesn't matter which party takes the power.

Here, there's a channel broadcasting everytime a debate takes place at the parliament. I assume there's something similar in the UK. I've watched it a couple of times and the only thing politicians do is dissing/insulting each other or putting the blame on the previous prime minister when they fail to achieve their goals (which they proposed) or when things don't turn out the way they were expecting to. It has been like this for years.

Abstention (in Portugal) is always on the high 60's % due to the fact that people understood there are no solid and competent parties that could improve our current situation. They are delusional and promise things they know, in first hand, they can't keep.

I haven't vote in our last elections (local elections) and I'll do the same next year, when the legislative elections take place.