November Abusing his rights

[Smaj Lee]

Admin:NovemberRain
Server:Jailbreak
Date & Time:17.6  18:30
Complaint: Banned me from counter terrorist team because he got killed.I was commanding and it was cell day and i said freeze on bed in jb_snow.There 2 guys in tmp cell and 1 rushed out and i killed him and he didnt have a gun(tmp).So there is 1 terrorist in tmp cell and its NovemberRain.I tell him to drop the gun and count 5 seconds(also he was moving on bed and clearly command was to freeze on the bed, i repeat 2 times).And he started talking on microphone about me killing him and i said i didnt move and he banned me from ct team in 5seconds after he died. For me that is clear scene of abusing his rights just because he didnt like it and he was mad.Also he is interrupting cts with mic while they command(alot).
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):Lady J,fabbbyyy and Fisu were cts and there was about 18terrorist in the server and they can confirm what happened.Other than that i dont have ss or demo (not really needed)

[NovemberRaiN`]

You just needed an excuse to kill me, to be honest. You CTs messed up so many rounds, then you panicked, and got worried that you might lose even more, so you decided to kill for no reason. Just because the other T died, doesn't mean I had the tmp. It was on the bench, but not on me, and also I was frozen the entire time, apart from using my mic. To be honest, killing me was the last straw, I've had it with you and your terrible commanding. I've been killed many times, by many people, and I don't mind, even if its for fun, or trolling me, but with you its just genuine professionalism and I acted the same way I would act to everyone else.
Also, as mentioned in my report of the CT ban, you never EVER give warning shots.

[Fisu]

If you get banned, you normally do a unban request, don't you?

But I agree to november. You killed him straight, even tho you gave the gun-cell an extra command. After you killed him you used the 2nd excuse saying: You didnt follow the command anyways.

Wrong like that.

[Smaj Lee]

You are admin, you shouldnt lie u know? Tmp wasnt on the bed or the bench where it spawns, and other guy didnt have it so you had it because i was watching entire time that cell.If am banned because we couldnt handle 3rounds and i wasnt fun than this is ridiculous ban.To be honest u are not funny always I havent seen you getting banned from ct.

[Ḏ℮ηїαł]

Smaj, I like you as a player and a friend but I saw clearly what happened as I was at the top row of the cells and had a good view.

Yes a guy ran out and got killed then November was doing the exact command, he wasn't moving at all and he isn't stupid to get killed that early.

Also, you do need proof for reports just to let you know unless it's something like chat logs but you can take a SS then anyway.

TIP: Always /record every map u play incase anything happens then delete them later

['PL']

Alrighty, I can make a statement because smaj lee is an oldie first of all and as a person I don't think he would lie.
We turn our attention to the aforementioned people of: Lady J, Fabby and Fisu(He already gave his testimony), if would also be of help those who were T's.

So I want to question to this:
Did NovemberRain dropped the gun after death, only that proves that NovemberRain decided to reject the order and categorize as rebelling. Otherwise, you acted on mare suspicion, and if NR what said is true you acquired a status of: Panic and Drastic urge to make everything successful.
Again he can use the microphone if he spotted something wrong with the ct's, if he used the microphone for something offtopic and not related to the sitation that happened right there, it means he "abused" his microphone rights. But then again you don't have a demo of him doing that so your scenario only happened if other conform it.

Then again, you have a problem of position.
Little ol NovemberRain is a moderator for the ctbans, and already an admin. Plus he has more supporters then you so you might find it difficult to make a report right away. The best thing to do is what tasha did. Get some space of screenshots and demos, and keep them just in case. I'm really sorry if I acted a bit hostile to both Smaj and NovemberRain, it's honestly no other way how i could have approach this. (would you believe..., I scraped this comment 4x )

I also want to address NovemberRain, don't you think a CT Ban is too much for a person who has been a regular in the past 2 years? It could be the result of you not being in the mood but that is not professional. Any administrator should go through the checkup of warn/slay/kick/ctban/ban. If you and Smaj didn't had great diplomacy in the past it doesn't mean you have to sharpen your relations with him so much to just ctban him if his suspicion wasn't correct. it's quite untypical for a community to treat an oldie as such.

And as a ctban moderator, that doesn't give you any right to use the ctban more frequently. Just please be careful, if the logs of you becoming admin till now prove that in the slightest term you have used the ctban command too much it's considered as "abuse".

Also I don't have any knowledge of Smaj having a Liar Attitude in the past, but let's say he wasn't a flower too.

[NovemberRaiN`]

Replica, thank you for your honest opinion, and not taking any sides, its appreciated.

I do know smaj is an oldie, and an experienced CT. I will kindly request sami or Jason to remove his CT ban whenever they have the chance to. It was a bit harsh of me, but take it into consideration Smaj, please. Also, please try and be a bit more forgiving to Ts, and give warning shots from time to time.
Sometimes to be honest, I do act a bit fast, and in the heat of the moment, but that doesn't mean that most of my CT bans are unjustified, but I have made some mistakes.
Thanks.

[Smaj Lee]

To answer this (So I want to question to this:
Did NovemberRain dropped the gun after death, only that proves that NovemberRain decided to reject the order and categorize as rebelling.) When i killed November i rushed to cell to check the body and i saw a tmp on his body and in my experience terrorist with a gun equals rebel am I am allowed to kill you.And all the things were pointed that u had a gun. CTban wasnt even needed, because i didnt do any mistakes ( in my humble opinion). And u typed in reply " It was on the bench, but not on me, and also I was frozen the entire time, apart from using my mic" and i just proved u lied in forum, and i saw u moving on the bed while i was counting down.

[NovemberRaiN`]

I never lied about anything.
Being frozen and being AFK frozen are different things. If I am standing still without moving or jumping or crouching - Frozen.
Not touching anything on my keyboard - AFK Frozen. I can tell you that I was freezing the entire time, and saw you staring at me, and suddenly I died. You are in the wrong, because you should guncheck me always, or if you think I moved, you should give warning shots.
The tmp didn't drop from me, yes I did have it, and I dropped it on the bed, because I could pick it up eventually, and shoot people. But no, when you killed me, it wasn't on me, yet behind me, and your logic where you say "If there are 2 people there, and 1 dies, that means the other one HAS THE TMP" is completely illogical - many people actually drop the tmp somewhere in the cell, because if they get gunchecked, they can pick it up afterwards, when the CT leaves.
All in all, you guys were losing terribly, and you panicked, and you were so obsessed with winning 1 round, you did anything it takes to secure the TMP cell, even if it means freekilling.
Now, I said drop it this, you may be unbanned, but if you wanna keep on lying and making me seem like a liar, we can keep on arguing here.

[Smaj Lee]

In cell day Its not really obligation to give warning shots.
Logically if ur going to hide tmp u will hide it in toilet. How could you drop the gun when I killed you? The tmp dropped after you died, Its coincidence for person to drop a gun in exact second when you got killed.
And its logical If there is two terrorists in the tmp cell that 1 terrorist has the tmp

[Noex']

In cell days you have to give warning shots before execution in punishment day you are allowed to kill them plus smaj the reason he banned u is not giving any warning shots and i can agree with that and ask anyone else who played then i never saw you give a warning shot if someone jumped or misclicked something yo would kill them.

[Khaludi~~]

November doesnt even do such bad things. Iknow him since i started playing on ambrosia, since it was a cell day u have to give some warning shots before u pull the trigger on his head..but everysingle person actually do mistakes... "No One Is Perfect".

[Card Clasher]

Well November has a point but banning you from CT was harsh.

Contact somebody to unban you from CT, on the other hand report is invalid tho.