Reasoning behind domain change. and the future

[Rawrplus]

Oh dear. However pira got his lil revenge.. I would not call him a coward since many other guys here who were co op with him left him, traded, etc..

He is not saint, but are you?

We have never taken anything from him, nor did anything he would have reason to get revenge on us.

You do not really know what happened to Demolition mate or how it even influenced Ambrosia. But maybe, it's time to come out clean. We left out Piranchas on the Demolition matters in our stories, because we didn't want to trashtalk him and ruin his influence if he ever wishes to start a community again, because we actually liked him as a person, even after he left Ambrosia and almost destroyed the whole community with that move, we didn't feel the need to get our revenge on him or anything. So.. why didn't we mention Piranchas in the Demolition matter? Because we didn't want to ruin his reputation as the sole reason Demolition got closed was the fact, that it was poorly managed - but as I said, we didn't opt for mentioning it because we felt like hindering his chances of creating another community by ruining his reputation (even if rightfully deserved) would be an asshole move to do, to somebody who founded the community we are currently in, although he abandoned us..See what I'm saying? We actually were trying to be the good guys in this matter and wanted to help Piranchas in his future, as we felt sorry for him and wanted to support him and not say that the Demoition closed because of the poor management - and let's be real, who would want to join a community with an owner, that has been publicly denounced for poor management. Not too many people eh? See, that's why we left him out as we didn't want to hurt him in any way.. Either way, here's what happened with Demolition and was kept behind the scenes for so long.

 So, as you all may know, Piranchas decided to start his own community for no apparent reason. Piranchas is a businessman, as matter of fact, he never worked on servers, forums or anything. What he was doing was providing money, wether you liked it or not was your problem. After he decided to create Demolition, Ambrosia was left behind with no source of income and not even a warning that we will need to get a new owner, which is when Casper came into play. He basically saved a community that would die thanks to Piranchas abandoning it for reasons to this day none of us understands. And with all honesty, it actually prospered us, as Casper is a lot more caring and willing to co-operate, but that's not my point. So as Demolition was there, it got the sudden boost of popularity - that happens with every newly founded community - but, as the time progressed it began to die, as there wasn't anybody to pay the bills as Piranchas mysteriously went inactive and didn't bother replying to other highstaff voices in Demolition. With them being pissed because they've been working on the community while Piranchas was happy with another temporary Trademark secured not even realising the community is dying, they've decided to leave. Now here comes the trickier part I want you to understand. Demolition was closed on behalf of Emperors, they have left and said they want nothing more to do with Demolition - it is perfectly fine choice that is related to freedom of choice and Piranchas has no word to say wether somebody must stay in his community or not, being in good terms with them and after a brief discussion, they decided to join us - Ambrosia. Now, please understand - we never taken over Demolition, nor own anything from it - Demolition is still registered under Piranchas and Ambrosia has no influence over it whatsoever, but as the word spread out, if you are a reasonable human being, what would you chose from these two options - Join Ambrosia which is a well estabilished community with now even your Demolition friends playing there, or stay in Demolition where was pretty much only Piranchas left since every other Highstaff there was unpleased with how the things were run there. I think it's naturally easy choice what members had to make. Now, I hope you see what I'm trying to point out, in case you didn't, here's a sentence to sum it up: We do not own Demolition and Piranchas is completely free to and alegible to start community again - we never reserved the rights to influence Demolition in any way, the only reason why Ambrosia was ever mentioned in context with Demolition, is the fact, that the Demolition High-staff team decided to join us - which was freely their choice, we never bribed them to leave Demolition or anything, they joined because they wanted to and same applies to members. If they wanted to stay in Demolition they very well could, but as I mentioned, why would they when there was no reason for it. You can't blame Ambrosia for people deciding to join it when the Demolition community was flat out dead and abandoned. We asked Piranchas if he wants to even join Ambrosia as we were willing to forgive what he had done and wanted to help him out (naturally we didn't provide him Emperor rank straight out) but we were willing to give him a chance to work his way back. Even if we wished to see him back, as once again, I'm repeating like I'm stuck in some cycle, he was a friend of ours and we wanted to help him out, putting even what he had done to us aside, well.. he refused the offer. After that we decided to part our ways and neither side really cared about each other. Occasionally we mentioned him in our topics (eg. the History topic that me and PL crafted) and made sure to mention him always in the good light. We were trying to do that up to this day, because let's be honest, all of us have our flaws, but sometimes if you have mutual respect for one-another, you do not mention them for a bloody good reason - it isn't not in sociable norms. So.. Why he really decided to do this? We don't know, we never really did anything shady to him, nor ever had intentions of hurting Demolition, it was just small events and circumstances that all fitted together like a jigsaw and lead to the Demolition -> Ambrosia community hopping. If he feels that we bought out or even stolen Demolition from him, we are sorry, we really didn't. All we did was that we talked with the Demolition Emperors, after they decided to leave the community and provided them (and also Demolition admins) some ranks, for an easier transition - with all honesty - a really good way to attract members, so I hope you understand why we did it. Naturally we want more members, but we never went overboard with it and have stolen members from Demolition . If they wanted to stay there, they could very welll do so, but once again, who would want to stay in a dead community which is not taken care of, because it's only taken as one big business and not a passionate hobby, such community has no chance of improving and it was clearly displayed even in the succesful days of Demolition.  I really didn't want to bring this up, as I personally hate to do this and I still respect Piranchas as a person, but I regret that I had to see the day where he decided to screw us over for no reason (once again). I am sincerely dissapointed., but least I hope this brings some light to the case and makes you understand, that we infact were only doing things within our rights and never really screwed him over (or on purpose if you may like), while he did it twice to us. We still do not feel the need of any revenge, but the sole reason why we even mentioned him in the topic is, that we needed to provide a reasonable explanation and our nerves finally cracked and instead of bringing up the generic "oh the hosts are not working properly" excuse, we've had enough of it and decided to bring up what really happened. Now that I think about it, it's kinda sad that we even wanted to help him after he managed to almost destory the community by leaving it behind with no warnings only to get dissapointed by him once again. Makes me wonder, what were we thinking..

Well, either way, now that you got your light into what has really happened, I hope we can let this case rest, stop sharpening our pitchforks and simply look forward to better times

[Apologies for the long post]

[Ray]

 

Such .. a long ... post ....

[Burzum]

forum works better and faster now, at least in my potatoe pc

[Deathknife]

Oh dear. However pira got his lil revenge.. I would not call him a coward since many other guys here who were co op with him left him, traded, etc..

He is not saint, but are you?

We have never taken anything from him, nor did anything he would have reason to get revenge on us.

You do not really know what happened to Demolition mate or how it even influenced Ambrosia. But maybe, it's tiem to come out clean. We left our Piranchas on the Demolition matters in our stories, because we didn't want to trashtalk him and ruin his influence if he ever wishes to start a community again, because we actually liked him as a person, even after he left Ambrosia and almost destroyed the whole community with that move, we didn't feel the need to get our revenge on him or anything. So.. why didn't we mention Piranchas in the Demolition matter? Because we didn't want to ruin his reputation as the sole reason Demolition got closed was the fact, that it was poorly managed - but as I said, we didn't opt for mentioning it because we felt like hindering his chances of creating another community by ruining his reputation (even if rightfully deserved) would be an asshole move to do, to somebody who founded the community we are currently in, although he abandoned us..See what I'm saying? We actually were trying to be the good guys in this matter and wanted to help Piranchas in his future, as we felt sorry for him and wanted to support him and not say that the Demoition closed because of the poor management - and let's be real, who would want to join a community with an owner, that has been publicly denounced for poor management. Not too many people eh? See, that's why we left him out as we didn't want to hurt him in any way.. Either way, here's what happened with Demolition and was kept behind the scenes for so long.

 So, as you all may know, Piranchas decided to start his own community for no apparent reason. Piranchas is a businessman, as matter of fact, he never worked on servers, forums or anything. What he was doing was providing money, wether you liked it or not was your problem. After he decided to create Demolition, Ambrosia was left behind with no source of income and not even a warning that we will need to get a new owner, which is when Casper came into play. He basically saved a community that would die thanks to Piranchas abandoning it for reasons to this day none of us understands. And with all honesty, it actually prospered us, as Casper is a lot more caring and willing to co-operate, but that's not my point. So as Demolition was there, it got the sudden boost of popularity - that happens with every newly founded community - but, as the time progressed it began to die, as there wasn't anybody to pay the bills as Piranchas mysteriously went inactive and didn't bother replying to other highstaff voices in Demolition. With them being pissed because they've been working on the community while Piranchas was happy with another temporary Trademark secured not even realising the community is dying, they've decided to leave. Now here comes the trickier part I want you to understand. Demolition was closed on behalf of Emperors, they have left and said they want nothing more to do with Demolition - it is perfectly fine choice that is related to freedom of choice and Piranchas has no word to say wether somebody must stay in his community or not, being in good terms with them and after a brief discussion, they decided to join us - Ambrosia. Now, please understand - we never taken over Demolition, nor own anything from it - Demolition is still registered under Piranchas and Ambrosia has no influence over it whatsoever, but as the word spread out, if you are a reasonable human being, what would you chose from these two options - Join Ambrosia which is a well estabilished community with now even your Demolition friends playing there, or stay in Demolition where was pretty much only Piranchas left since every other Highstaff there was unpleased with how the things were run there. I think it's naturally easy choice what members had to make. Now, I hope you see what I'm trying to point out, in case you didn't, here's a sentence to sum it up: We do not own Demolition and Piranchas is completely free to and alegible to start community again - we never reserved the rights to influence Demolition in any way, the only reason why Ambrosia was ever mentioned in context with Demolition, is the fact, that the Demolition High-staff team decided to join us - which was freely their choice, we never bribed them to leave Demolition or anything, they joined because they wanted to and same applies to members. If they wanted to stay in Demolition they very well could, but as I mentioned, why would they when there was no reason for it. You can't blame Ambrosia for people deciding to join it when the Demolition community was flat out dead and abandoned. We asked Piranchas if he wants to even join Ambrosia as we were willing to forgive what he had done and wanted to help him out (naturally we didn't provide him Emperor rank straight out) but we were willing to give him a chance to work his way back. Even if we wished to see him back, as once again, I'm repeating like I'm stuck in some cycle, he was a friend of ours and we wanted to help him out, putting even what he had done to us aside, well.. he refused the offer. After that we decided to part our ways and neither side really cared about each other. Occasionally we mentioned him in our topics (eg. the History topic that me and PL crafted) and made sure to mention him always in the good light. We were trying to do that up to this day, because let's be honest, all of us have our flaws, but sometimes if you have mutual respect for one-another, you do not mention them for a bloody good reason - it isn't not in sociable norms. So.. Why he really decided to do this? We don't know, we never really did anything shady to him, nor ever had intentions of hurting Demolition, it was just small events and circumstances that all fitted together like a jigsaw and lead to the Demolition -> Ambrosia community hopping. If he feels that we bought out or even stolen Demolition from him, we are sorry, we really didn't. All we did was that we talked with the Demolition Emperors, after they decided to leave the community and provided them (and also Demolition admins) some ranks, for an easier transition - with all honesty - a really good way to attract members, so I hope you understand why we did it. Naturally we want more members, but we never went overboard with it and have stolen members from Demolition . If they wanted to stay there, they could very welll do so, but once again, who would want to stay in a dead community which is not taken care of, because it's only taken as one big business and not a passionate hobby, such community has no chance of improving and it was clearly displayed even in the succesful days of Demolition.  I really didn't want to bring this up, as I personally hate to do this and I still respect Piranchas as a person, but I regret that I had to see the day where he decided to screw us over for no reason (once again). I am sincerely dissapointed., but least I hope this brings some light to the case and makes you understand, that we infact were only doing things within our rights and never really screwed him over (or on purpose if you may like), while he did it twice to us. We still do not feel the need of any revenge, but the sole reason why we even mentioned him in the topic is, that we needed to provide a reasonable explanation and our nerves finally cracked and instead of bringing up the generic "oh the hosts are not working properly" excuse, we've had enough of it and decided to bring up what really happened. Now that I think about it, it's kinda sad that we even wanted to help him after he managed to almost destory the community by leaving it behind with no warnings only to get dissapointed by him once again. Makes me wonder, what were we thinking..

Well, either way, now that you got your light into what has really happened, I hope we can let this case rest, stop sharpening our pitchforks and simply look forward to better times

[Apologies for the long post]

Break it down into more paragraphs, annoying to read.

[Nutella]

Btw when u get in the forums home page u can still see the old ambrosia-servers.com link. Can u change it?

[Rawrplus]

Btw when u get in the forums home page u can still see the old ambrosia-servers.com link. Can u change it?

Yeah, will do it, most likely with other forum overhauls

[Koray]

#CasperForAmbrosiaPresident2013/2016

Anyway for piranches its only the money that matters and people like that wont come far in life..  Atleast thats what i learned.

[P o p a y]

I didn't want to involve here with my opinion, but I have to write something since many of us over here are still children (including me no matter if I work or how many years I have).

Guys and girls, actually people whose matters are only money, those DO go very far in life. This world has became very cruel, no matter how much you want to share your love and stuff like that.. Don't get me wrong, I really understand you all, and understand what you say, but you all just haven't accepted the real world. Everything goes down to money. If someone doesn't have any profit, he leaves that area and thats it, like it or not.

There is a saying in Macedonia: Brother for brother , but cheese for money. You should all really understand Piranchas and his profit logic. He wants to make money from the forum, he didn't make any so he left. But he has the main key, which will earn him profit, if we don't buy it from him he won't make any money. It's simple as that..

Money makes the world go round.. Most of you are still young, but once you reach your late 20s, get a job and a family, you have to make profit out of everything in order to make existence for yourself, family and the beloved ones.

Advice from me: Enjoy your friendships you have while you are young, when you grow up, you will only have 2,3 real friends, or none. Money = power.

No hard feelings, but, I kind of approve Piranchas. He sees an opportunity to make money he strikes for it.

Hope I was clear.

Regards,
Popay

[Koray]

I didn't want to involve here with my opinion, but I have to write something since many of us over here are still children (including me no matter if I work or how many years I have).

Guys and girls, actually people whose matters are only money, those DO go very far in life. This world has became very cruel, no matter how much you want to share your love and stuff like that.. Don't get me wrong, I really understand you all, and understand what you say, but you all just haven't accepted the real world. Everything goes down to money. If someone doesn't have any profit, he leaves that area and thats it, like it or not.

There is a saying in Macedonia: Brother for brother , but cheese for money. You should all really understand Piranchas and his profit logic. He wants to make money from the forum, he didn't make any so he left. But he has the main key, which will earn him profit, if we don't buy it from him he won't make any money. It's simple as that..

Money makes the world go round.. Most of you are still young, but once you reach your late 20s, get a job and a family, you have to make profit out of everything in order to make existence for yourself, family and the beloved ones.

Advice from me: Enjoy your friendships you have while you are young, when you grow up, you will only have 2,3 real friends, or none. Money = power.

No hard feelings, but, I kind of approve Piranchas. He sees an opportunity to make money he strikes for it.

Hope I was clear.

Regards,
Popay

Not really, the real succes is actually to do what your religion says if you do that you will come far or else not if you know what im talking about you will understand the real meaninf of 'life'

[Pim]

I didn't want to involve here with my opinion, but I have to write something since many of us over here are still children (including me no matter if I work or how many years I have).

Guys and girls, actually people whose matters are only money, those DO go very far in life. This world has became very cruel, no matter how much you want to share your love and stuff like that.. Don't get me wrong, I really understand you all, and understand what you say, but you all just haven't accepted the real world. Everything goes down to money. If someone doesn't have any profit, he leaves that area and thats it, like it or not.

There is a saying in Macedonia: Brother for brother , but cheese for money. You should all really understand Piranchas and his profit logic. He wants to make money from the forum, he didn't make any so he left. But he has the main key, which will earn him profit, if we don't buy it from him he won't make any money. It's simple as that..

Money makes the world go round.. Most of you are still young, but once you reach your late 20s, get a job and a family, you have to make profit out of everything in order to make existence for yourself, family and the beloved ones.

Advice from me: Enjoy your friendships you have while you are young, when you grow up, you will only have 2,3 real friends, or none. Money = power.

No hard feelings, but, I kind of approve Piranchas. He sees an opportunity to make money he strikes for it.

Hope I was clear.

Regards,
Popay

Not really, the real succes is actually to do what your religion says if you do that you will come far or else not if you know what im talking about you will understand the real meaninf of 'life'

let's not get into subjective arguments please,

not everyone is part of a religion and religions differ.

[Ed]

Rawrplus explained it pitch perfect. We were in a dumb found situation when Piranchas did screw us, I mean most of us knew it even if it wasn't said publicly.

Also an advice for the masses - never trust rumors (in this case Demolition).

It is sad that he could of done such a thing and screwed us twice. Even if the money is the power of most things, friendships, love, family comes first no matter what. Life is cruel and people do screw you over, that makes you a stronger person, but that doesn't mean you have to do exact same thing to someone else.

I am glad that Casper helped us out. Piranchas did a good job, but it didn't mean nothing to him.

[RAMBATEN]

It's easy to complain about Piranchas decision..I understand him very well because he has put plenty of his own money to run the communities..What have you done? Yea yeah you have gave your free time developing the community...

I respect Piranchas much for his efforts from past several years, even he has step of while ago from ambrosia..I shouldnt so publicly trash Piranchas if he asked some paypack for his money he has invest running this community.

But seems you dont respect his efforts for whole community..

[Rawrplus]

It's easy to complain about Piranchas decision..I understand him very well because he has put plenty of his own money to run the communities..What have you done? Yea yeah you have gave your free time developing the community...

I respect Piranchas much for his efforts from past several years, even he has step of while ago from ambrosia..I shouldnt so publicly trash Piranchas if he asked some paypack for his money he has invest running this community.

But seems you dont respect his efforts for whole community..

Could you please stop with the shitposting and actually read what I've written before posting and making pre-amptive conclusions?

[thEnd]

Much nice reply from you rawr, took 10 mins to get it (re read)
Anyways I havent called anyone particularly from ambro, but just some cowards, who might try to come here and continue to make it one way blame. Guys who fled pira gave him a cancer as he (the pira) spent a fortune on his project. Apparently greediness made it as you said - poor managed as most of the staff just bought their ranks.


However you might know the jurisdiction rules in a virtual world. If pira owns the domain, he owns it no matter how much effort have been put in the traffic attraction. I dont adore him, nor wish to dig up the history of the merge. Its sad to see how the ex emperor and creator of ambro destroyed such an oldie domain.

Much wow.


Life is hard, but I still wouldnt blame pira, just would stop call him a friend thats all. No cowards. Peace.

['PL']

Rawr, for my sake. Please add a section for this in the history topic.
Thanks.
(Somebody need to write the 2013 part ;3)

As a demolition staff(forum moderator):
I cannot remember why I left demolition, but it wasn't because everybody was moving back to ambrosia.
Piranchas gave a fortune for ambrosia and he just wanted his invested money back. So you really don't need be all that aggressive to him. Least he kept both ambrosia and demolition backed with money for years. I still wonder why are you interpreting demolition had bad management, piranchas by nature didn't quite pay attention to what was happening on the forums but he collaborated with header to open servers and opportunities. Most of the management was in headers and ronis hands.

As popay said, money makes the world go around

[Rawrplus]

Much nice reply from you rawr, took 10 mins to get it (re read)
Anyways I havent called anyone particularly from ambro, but just some cowards, who might try to come here and continue to make it one way blame. Guys who fled pira gave him a cancer as he (the pira) spent a fortune on his project. Apparently greediness made it as you said - poor managed as most of the staff just bought their ranks.


However you might know the jurisdiction rules in a virtual world. If pira owns the domain, he owns it no matter how much effort have been put in the traffic attraction. I dont adore him, nor wish to dig up the history of the merge. Its sad to see how the ex emperor and creator of ambro destroyed such an oldie domain.

Much wow.


Life is hard, but I still wouldnt blame pira, just would stop call him a friend thats all. No cowards. Peace.

Exactly. And that's the entire point of the topic, even though many missunderstood it. We don't need to cal Piranchas names or anything, if he owns a domain he owns it and we can't do anything about it, although it's an asshole thing to do - in fact even attempting to turn cloud savings off.. Well, we don't blame Piranchas by any kind, we do not want any revenge or blackmailing towards him, all we did was say the coldhearted truth, nothing less nothing more and we don't expect anything out of it, just only understanding of our members for the current situation.

[Rawrplus]

Let me explain PL, if you didn't get the idea from my long post, I'll break it down a little.

So you really don't need be all that aggressive to him. Least he kept both ambrosia and demolition backed with money for years.

We are not being agressive towards him. In fact, we hope not to mention his name in bad light after this event, but we needed to provide explanation for a domain change and while I understand your disaproval of lacking sugartalk, on the other hand, I hope you understand our frustration and just will to tell out the truth, because it wasn't particularly nice of him.

still wonder why are you interpreting demolition had bad management, piranchas by nature didn't quite pay attention to what was happening on the forums but he collaborated with header to open servers and opportunities. Most of the management was in headers and ronis hands.

I don't know, maybe if all your highstaff positions openly admitted they were unhappy with how things are run and that they got no support what-so-ever in times they needed, then it very well may be a bad management. Also, you can have a all-star set up of qualified community managers, yet if they don't gel together well, then you can have your potentially best team on paper as much as you'd like, it simply won't work out. Got what I'm saying?

Piranchas gave a fortune for ambrosia and he just wanted his invested money back.

Everybody and not only PL, Please pay attention to this answer, I think it also justifies our thinking behind this and explains why we don't owe Piranchas anything at all

This is the last quote that I want to touch on and foremost most important one as well. We do not own Piranchas anything, yes he invsted money in Ambrosia at the beginning, but then he officially left us. We had no debts to pay to him whatsoever. So, please explain, how do we own him anything and what exactly do we own him? He didn't have to pay for the domain of ambrosia-servers.com, it was us. He didn't pay / was involved in Ambrosia since the very first day he started Demolition. It was his decision to start Demolition and at the very moment when he OFFICIALLY LEFT AMBROSIA, he lost all influence he had over the community. The community has went through an actual transaction to Casper. That means, we no longer owe anything to Piranchas and that's also why I find it highly unmorale to demand money for something you abandonded and left to die and seeing it is more succesful without you, suddenly be jealous and ask for cut on it's success.

Let me set a real-life esque example, perhaps it will sound more reasonable to you this way.

Imagine if for what-ever-reason Bill Gates sold Microsoft company. Then after 2 years he'd realise he did a stupid thing and would want his share on the things. Is the new microsoft owner bound to give him any financial compensation for his stupid decision? Of course not and that's where common sense applies to this case as well. See the connection between this fictional story and the Piranchas incident? I'm pretty sure you do. It's against logic to demand money, no matter what your history with the product is. In other words: ONCE YOU SELL SOMETHING, YOU NO LONGER HAVE OWNERSHIP OF IT. Pretty logical, eh? So yeah, after all, we don't owe Piranchas anything.

[P o p a y]

Let's not enlarge this whole post.

Thanks to Rawr, now you all know what was hidden.


I didn't include any religion so please do not include religion yourself (General reminder) coz it will inspire a lot of quarrels.

Like it or not , money makes the world turn around and that's it.

Let's all of us help Ambrosia to get even bigger. New Year, new steps !

[Deathknife]

I didn't want to involve here with my opinion, but I have to write something since many of us over here are still children (including me no matter if I work or how many years I have).

Guys and girls, actually people whose matters are only money, those DO go very far in life. This world has became very cruel, no matter how much you want to share your love and stuff like that.. Don't get me wrong, I really understand you all, and understand what you say, but you all just haven't accepted the real world. Everything goes down to money. If someone doesn't have any profit, he leaves that area and thats it, like it or not.

There is a saying in Macedonia: Brother for brother , but cheese for money. You should all really understand Piranchas and his profit logic. He wants to make money from the forum, he didn't make any so he left. But he has the main key, which will earn him profit, if we don't buy it from him he won't make any money. It's simple as that..

Money makes the world go round.. Most of you are still young, but once you reach your late 20s, get a job and a family, you have to make profit out of everything in order to make existence for yourself, family and the beloved ones.

Advice from me: Enjoy your friendships you have while you are young, when you grow up, you will only have 2,3 real friends, or none. Money = power.

No hard feelings, but, I kind of approve Piranchas. He sees an opportunity to make money he strikes for it.

Hope I was clear.

Regards,
Popay

Not really, the real succes is actually to do what your religion says if you do that you will come far or else not if you know what im talking about you will understand the real meaninf of 'life'

And award of the stupidest comment of the year goes to you!

No one who follows religion goes far in life.

[spekbinder]

Actually I did not read the whole post. But if you guys are interested in ambrosiaservers.com just gimme a shout.. I registered that back in the DDoS days.

Since there's a lot of African activity I think .eu will scare them