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Ban in mix for leaving
« on: November 07, 2013, 07:59:55 pm »
Right now I am so annoyed about leavers in ambrosias mix, I say we implement a banning system, I have no idea what it is called but I play in these 2 mix servers alot and they have a banning system, you leave during mix=ban, simple, this will mean people will not leave as often, I say the ban should be for 1/5 days (your choice) so if people decide to leave, they will think again!
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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 08:32:51 pm »
Baning them for 5 days is to long tho, I suggest at least to ban them for 1 hour. Cuz it's really annoiyng, if they do want to mix, they should mix and not leave, no matter if teams are to unfair

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 08:33:47 pm »
I think this would a great option, I support for adding it if possible. ;)

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 09:06:14 pm »
Are you guys kidding me ? :) Seriously :D Think about it..

Counter strike - MIX is the LAST thing I will think off or care about.. I have my family, friends, obligations, work, WC ( taking poop ).. And you want to say that I won't leave just coz you will ban me.. With that plug-in you definitely won't get any payer to come and play mix.

For example something bad happens or I have to go, what then ? I won't leave it? Pff.. What if my electricity goes off? Ban because of that ?

Think twice before messing with bans guys.. It's not that simple thing to ban someone just because he had some obligation.

You should try to understand people why they left mix, not judge fast.

Sorry but no support at all, other opinions ?

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 09:23:18 pm »
No support at all, due to obvious reasons.

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 09:34:55 pm »
Hmm, every time when I play, I got disconnected due to steam message, and I don't this that this ban will be fair for a lot of people, no need for it.

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 10:06:21 pm »
Are you guys kidding me ? :) Seriously :D Think about it..

Counter strike - MIX is the LAST thing I will think off or care about.. I have my family, friends, obligations, work, WC ( taking poop ).. And you want to say that I won't leave just coz you will ban me.. With that plug-in you definitely won't get any payer to come and play mix.

For example something bad happens or I have to go, what then ? I won't leave it? Pff.. What if my electricity goes off? Ban because of that ?

Think twice before messing with bans guys.. It's not that simple thing to ban someone just because he had some obligation.

You should try to understand people why they left mix, not judge fast.

Sorry but no support at all, other opinions ?

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Yes popay but if its.very important.it takes longer then 1 Hour. But this is obviously for rage quitters

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2013, 10:22:17 pm »
I wouldn't like to be banned coz of this plug-in, when I am not rage quitting, but have something more valuable going on. Simple as that :)

Another thing: I get disconnected or lose connection and in 1 min I want to get back so I don't disappoint you, but the plug-in banned me? That is automatic chaos..

Some other opinions? Thy for suggesting but I will tell you that this will be rejected, however opened for some more opinions about these situations. :)

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2013, 11:19:56 pm »
No, the plugin gives you a certain amount of time to come back, it will say (example): p o p a y has left the game, if the player does not return within 10 minutes he will be banned. And ok, maybe 5 days ban is quite lengthy, banning for a few hours would be a good decision though, and if you're likely to be going off somewhere like work, going out with friends, then you shouldn't be mixing... it is unfair if you leave halfway saying 'gotta go work, cya!' I mean sure there are a few things that can come unexpected but mostly you shouldn't be mixing if you have plans. To me it makes sense to add this, this will make players think twice before joining, 'Will I be able to stay for the mix?' 'Do I have plans?' then people can have a proper 5v5 mix in ambrosia rather than being invited to find out that 5 minutes later they have to leave because the mix has been abandoned, I mean I do not mind if this is not implemented but I think it will convince players to stay, or not join because they have plans. As I said, I play mainly on 5 lithuanian mix servers, 3 from 1 site 2 from other, the site with 3 servers has not implemented this system and has many leavers, whereas the 2 servers with the plugin have wayyy less leavers...

I think this would a great option, I support for adding it if possible. ;)

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Baning them for 5 days is to long tho, I suggest at least to ban them for 1 hour. Cuz it's really annoiyng, if they do want to mix, they should mix and not leave, no matter if teams are to unfair

Yeah 5 days is a long time, a few hours is better.

Counter strike - MIX is the LAST thing I will think off or care about.. I have my family, friends, obligations, work, WC ( taking poop )..

Mhm, the thing is, if we have a system like this implemented this means more serious players will come, I mean a mix is a place where I like to play against good and competitive players, if you do not care about the mix then you should just play public imo, if you're a busy person it is unfair for 9 others to be left hanging because you felt like you want to go out with friends or w/e.

EDIT: I just want to put emphasis on the 10 minutes or so you have to return, it will mean if your power goes out or internet or w/e, or if you have to take a p00 then you have the time.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2013, 11:35:14 pm by rapt0r »
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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2013, 11:23:28 pm »
I recommend taking a look at League of Legends "queue dodging" banning system, both normal and ranked. Obviously no LP included but we can twitch about with the times that players get banned for.

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2013, 11:29:42 pm »
I recommend taking a look at League of Legends "queue dodging" banning system, both normal and ranked. Obviously no LP included but we can twitch about with the times that players get banned for.

Very interesting suggestion, I don't know if there is a plugin like that for cs though, I just know that the plugin I am talking about (no idea about the name) has a standard ban time :). To anyone interested this is the link to the queue-dodging system in LoL: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Queue_dodging - really interesting.

Just to add on: I know that sometimes people get unexpected things in their life, but the thing is no plug-in is perfect, the fact is it will affect that 1 person negatively maybe, but it will help alot too :)
« Last Edit: November 07, 2013, 11:36:10 pm by rapt0r »
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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2013, 11:46:28 pm »
Its plain and simple in a mix.
And especially a automix server.
If someone leaves someone else comes in. Point.

Doesnt need a ban for it. And if he reconnects !voteban ftw. Or when a admin is online just a temp ban.

Doesnt need any extra plugin for it. As many could dc which could give them a temp ban aswell. Which is unnecessary.

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2013, 11:53:15 pm »
Its plain and simple in a mix.
And especially a automix server.
If someone leaves someone else comes in. Point.

Doesnt need a ban for it. And if he reconnects !voteban ftw. Or when a admin is online just a temp ban.

Doesnt need any extra plugin for it. As many could dc which could give them a temp ban aswell. Which is unnecessary.

The problem comes in when someone does not fill in, the major problem with leavers, if for every leaver came in someone else there would be no problem, the time limit to return means people won't necessarily be banned, if the plug-in is found I am sure that can be configured, there ain't much problem with someone reconnecting, its someone leaving. Down to the mods I guess :)
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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2013, 11:56:55 pm »
I really don't understand why do you see mix as very important thing.. There are a lot of other problems that need solution..

It's mix - people come, people go ( you can't tell someone whether to stay or not in server, its their free time )..

I advise you to get a clan and start some CWs, no need for advising me to stay at public. ;) :)

Think about it mate..

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2013, 12:03:00 am »
I really don't understand why do you see mix as very important thing.. There are a lot of other problems that need solution..

It's mix - people come, people go ( you can't tell someone whether to stay or not in server, its their free time )..

I advise you to get a clan and start some CWs, no need for advising me to stay at public. ;) :)

Think about it mate..

Not saying a mix is a very important thing, but it is not like public, in a mix you leave you basically ruin the game for 9 others, when you join a server you should stay even if you don't want to just to show consideration, the 9 others joined and may want to play a proper mix not just join the server wait for like 10 minutes for people to come and then find out the mix is over because of leavers. Yes it is your free time, but if you are not prepared to play a full game then don't play imo, this is the whole point of the plugin, to stop players from leaving when they just feel like it, you come to mix you play a full game, full stop. If you want to just play for a few minutes jump in public or dd2, you won't ruin it for anyone else when leaving and the way you are talking 'people come, people go' is the way dd2 and public works, not the way a mix should work, and yes I am in a clan and have played cws. I am not suggesting you to go to public offensively btw, I am just saying it is unfair on people like me who like to stay in for a full game.
« Last Edit: November 08, 2013, 12:08:14 am by rapt0r »
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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2013, 12:03:41 am »
What i also dont get.

There are many other issues that are way more important in CW server then this.
I know its just a suggestion. But maybe we should get the server more popular first and active so we can have more rotation in players?

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2013, 12:05:26 am »
What i also dont get.

There are many other issues that are way more important in CW server then this.
I know its just a suggestion. But maybe we should get the server more popular first and active so we can have more rotation in players?

THIS IS THE PROBLEM. Once the server is sorted, ok we removed all the nonsense like /me, but then you have leavers, I personally would stop coming to a mix server after 1/2 games if I can only play like 5 rounds per mix. And yes, we do prioritise the important things, but we must also consider things like these that will make games a more enjoyable experience for people. I am saying keep things like this at the back of your head so once things are sorted, we know what we need to do.
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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2013, 01:14:24 am »
Too harsh  :D  but i know what you mean it can get on your nerves sometimes .

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2013, 01:18:02 am »
Are you guys kidding me ? :) Seriously :D Think about it..

Counter strike - MIX is the LAST thing I will think off or care about.. I have my family, friends, obligations, work, WC ( taking poop ).. And you want to say that I won't leave just coz you will ban me.. With that plug-in you definitely won't get any payer to come and play mix.

For example something bad happens or I have to go, what then ? I won't leave it? Pff.. What if my electricity goes off? Ban because of that ?

Think twice before messing with bans guys.. It's not that simple thing to ban someone just because he had some obligation.

You should try to understand people why they left mix, not judge fast.

Sorry but no support at all, other opinions ?

Regards,
popay

You do know that there is a difference between manually disconnecting/quitting, and losing connection right? Those are are two different things...

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Re: Ban in mix for leaving
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2013, 05:17:16 am »
What i also dont get.

There are many other issues that are way more important in CW server then this.
I know its just a suggestion. But maybe we should get the server more popular first and active so we can have more rotation in players?

THIS IS THE PROBLEM. Once the server is sorted, ok we removed all the nonsense like /me, but then you have leavers, I personally would stop coming to a mix server after 1/2 games if I can only play like 5 rounds per mix. And yes, we do prioritise the important things, but we must also consider things like these that will make games a more enjoyable experience for people. I am saying keep things like this at the back of your head so once things are sorted, we know what we need to do.

Are all your fingers the same ? No.

You have to understand that not everyone here is the same, you have no lifers, kids, people with life. So basicalaly sometimes people have the urge to leave because most probably something came up, or some ragequit and there's nothing we really can do about it.

So if you're seriously that bothered then don't play.