can this rule be added?

[Colombia]

hello all,

after some complains about been kicking i want to find a solution about this.

some reason why you have been kicked.

1 because you said to the admin the next things (see the examples)
2 you had a wrong name as your nick and the admin kicked you.
 
                 (examples)
1 I will repport you if you do it again  (after he kicked you because you had a wrong name like. iliketofuck).
2 I will repport you. You abuse your rights. (after he kicked you, and because of this words he kicks you again)


So i wanted to find a solution for this, why? because after a kick, comes a ban so i think that this is very important for the comunnity if we (like i always say) put this rule on a paper so we can be sure about the right of the admin and the right of the player in such situations.

why should to be this in the rules? Because of the following situation:

I will repport you if you do it again. Can be interpretate as a warning for the admin or as a right of the player, that is why this should to be in the rules in ambrosia. Some of the admins see this as a provocation. The players see this as a right of the player, why should the admin kick a player (for such words) if the player have the right to repport the admin, and to tell the admin, that he will repport him right? the player have also the right to give a warning/ to an admin or repport the admin if the player think that the admin is wrong in what the admin is doing against the player. So that means that an admin can't kick a player for using this words.

in real life the person have the following rights if a police man wants to do something against you but if you read good you can see that the police man should do everything before accion is taked. I know that some of you wants to say yeah but its a game not real life... its a game but there are some universal (in real life, and in games)rules in the world, the universal rules are needed if we want to life as people and not like ''animals'' (with respect for the animals).

REAL LIFE
(When can police use force against me?

 The use of force is a last resort.  Police should attempt all other options before using force!!!. 
They have guidelines on other options they should use.
(a) Police can use reasonable force to arrest you,
(b) Police can use reasonable force to stop you from committing an indictable offence.
(c) Police can use reasonable force to obtain your fingerprints.
(d) Police can use reasonable force as self-defence.
(e) Police must consider other options before using force against you, such as communication, negotiation and containment!!!!!.)


so if we see good here above you will notice that in this case the admin, should first consider other options before using force against you, such as communication, negotiation and containment.) before he kicks you. So that means that he should change your nick in place of kicking you (because you had a wrong name). Or the admin should warning you before the kick. that means that the admin give you a warning and you should listen to the warning.



so what i want to ask is  if option 1 and 2 can be a right of the players in ambrosia without been kicked because they say (option 1 and 2 )  that to an admin. that means that it would be better for the players if the high staffs of ambrosia this option in the ambrosian rules put.

That the player the right have to say the following words (see option 1 and 2)to an admin, why? Because the player have the right to repport the admin. Because the player have the right to tell the admin that he will be repported in forum.

 (option 1 and 2)
1 I will repport you if you do it again
2 I will repport you. You abuse your rights

There are many complains about admins who kicked players because of this words, in forum no one take this serious because this options don't exist in the rules of ambrosia. In my opinion and the normal rules in real life, an admin can't kick some who say those words to an admin (the options).

Thank you all and sorry for my English,

Colombia

[thEnd]

Say this on server and you might be kicked. You are in the game for playing not to remind admins their job and consequences. If I receive some information from a trusted source in game I do listen and answer to them, but for instance you - spamming all the time I doubt that any admin would pay attention to your whatever you have to say.


Kicking rules ingame are different as we have harsh guys, we have nice guys and everyone deals with this differently.
But the main goal is achieved always and ambro sv are full of fun, chatty and funny admins who keep their maturity high and dont run to report some others for the smallest issues. 

[DonTodo #]

Tbh i dont get what u want with this.

U are suggesting that after we kick someone that tells us im gonna report u! Should be a rule that it aint alowed to do?
Actually if u say those kinda things u are provoking us.
If u provoke a police man what u think he's gonna say? Something like oh sorry wasnt ment to happen? Not really.

If u walk up a policeman and tell him with indirect words go do your job what do u think that happens?
He has 2 options:
- he will say: mind your own business
- he will give u some kinda fine for offending.

Just another thing to add towards u.
We dont need to reply on everything. We are aware in any situation whats going on.
75% of the time we already saw the cheater u are complaining about. And if we need to reply on everything we could better just sit 24/7 in spec.

Just tell us once and we keep an eye open.
Dont provoke us in any kind of way or expect that we will deal with u.

[Colombia]

thend please don't go offtopic this a very important topic stay prof.. I would to have some replys from high staffs, this is a really big problem here in ambrosia.. kickings without warnings... there are many complains from players about kicking without a warning there warnings for a ban but not for a kick... We all know that from a kick to a ban only one little step is needed...  you can see in the following link  that kellys eye give that tip too, to an admin http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=21752.msg278201#new and it is not the first time that a high staff ask this to an admin... it would be great if the rule that an admin should to warn first before he kicks someone, and that the admin like i said, change the name of the player first before he kicks someone who has a forbidden name.

but dontodo the 2 examples don't say go do your job... and a police man don't will arrest me if i say i will repport you if you keep doing like that.. because i did that many times in real life without been arrested or something like that.. what the police man said to me was.. if you think that you can repport me for this you are free to do that if you want... i have seen many times a police man saying that because someone said that in real to him.. so that is not provocation, that is just giving a warning (all people and players have the right to warn an admin/policeman if he is acting not like he should to act) so don't do other examples, and if the admin/policeman take those examples (1 and 2) as a provocation then is that the foult of the admin because the player have the right to use those words and no matter if you see that as provocation.. you think that if you use those words to a policeman he wiill arrest you? and do you think that the policeman can say in the court that he arrested that person because he taked those words as a provocation? The jugde will say.. you taked that in that way but he have the right to use those words if he think that you don't do your job like you should to do..

(i know that because my brother in law is a jugde from the court in Utrecht holland so i have learned some thing from him too)

dontodo i'm not provoking you or someone else i don't like your attitud.. i know the most admins of dust2 and they are my friends too so if you say ''you are provoking us that means that you are talking for the whole team from dust2 so please talk for your self and the only admins that i don't know in dust2 is you and tek and another admins who i have never seen, and the rest i know them longer then 2 years so i never provoc my mates i was admin too so i know how it works... you can ask embrace, just me, mohawk, shahra and shark, and old admins, cersei, lacoste, they play the most of the time with me in dust2 so please if you say something would you pleace talk for your self? And that is why i created this topic in this section because it is an idea in the order to avoid problems about kicking.

[thEnd]

1st - you are not the one tell me about going offtopic 
2nd - really I cant read what you are saying, mby try to be a bit more exact

[DonTodo #]

Do u even read what im saying or what?

Indirect words <---

A fine aka a ticket aka for u because it seems your english need some extra (een boete).

Read before typing a whole story again.

[Cap$0l is the real KAWAIII]

same i didnt get it cba to read all of it since i didnt understand the beginning

[Colombia]

i'm asking for a new rule.. i'm asking and trying to do something for the rights of the players.. what i'm asking is that we need the rule of first warning and then kick, when a player use those words to an admin, (like example 1 and 2) and dontodo do you know that you descriminate me because of my English? I hope you realise that,that is not allowed in ambrosia.

[P o p a y]

Me and Sami were the makers of JB rules, so let me easy that up for you.

Thy for suggesting but your rule is rejected.

If a small rule is broken no one will kick/ban you they will just warn, but if you made a bigger mistake ( and you made) you won't be warned or tolerated for it.

Servers along with administration team has been proven to work perfect and in order.

If you think that an admin has abused their rights against you, you have complaint area, but don't forget to get strong evidence.

Regards,
popay

[Raven E II R]

VII. You should always be kind, calm and patient with Players and to the ones who are new to Ambrosia as they might not know the Server Rules. Do not take any action as soon as they break a rule like, not speaking English. Explain the Rules to them and get them to know the Server and the Game. Remember - talking is better than using admin commands.

Is already in the regulations for new players. If you are speaking from your experiences then you are not a new player and should know better. Also if you want to include real life situations if I was new for example to another member state of the EU with no knowledge of the laws of the land and broke one of them, am I going to get off because of that (not knowing)? There should be equal consideration for both admins and players and from the player perspective they should know and acknowledge rules if they want to play here.

If a player is breaking a rule then it is equally enforceable at the admins pleasure (Within the boundaries of common sense & logic). There is nothing written as regards to what action is taken when a rule is broken, apart from Section II of the International Rules (Cheating & Gaining Advantage). So the rest is up to the admins interpretation if you have any knowings of judicial proceedings then think of it as case law.

As regards to the "I'm going to report you", in my opinion, why say it? Just do it if you are, I don't understand why it's needed to be said. Sometimes when your authority is challenged can be I guess maybe insulting to a degree but they are accountable for any wrongful actions. I don't find it disrespectful is someone says that as long as it is rightfully said. If they are doing it for the sake of attention seeking then no I do not consent to it being said.

[Card Clasher]

trashed

[`Firroth]

Recycled. Topic is to be handled by board moderators.

Some posts are pretty good read and would be useful for future references.

[P o p a y]

Rejected as I said. Moved and thy again.