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[dEEE]

John, I am taking reference of your post in solved complaint against yourself, you said you warned him many times, also in your "defense" poufpanda said that you warned him loads of times. That does say something.

If you didn't see when he was insulting or using the "N" word and somebody was complaining about it, check console, although that might not work since if he is alive and you are dead you might not see it. Then again if someone is complaining even after you have asked him to stop, take that into consideration, you have the responsibility and as I said I don't care how busy you are, take your time to sort the server out, if you can't, then I don't see why you need admin rights on the server.

Don't forget, you were responsible there. Was there any other admin at that time? If not, full responsibility on you.

Stop making excuses.

Can we forget John, please?

This report is about me swearing, the other report got solved. So, if you would be kind enough and leave John out of this, thanks.

On another note, I'm still willing to take any punishment, even if it is a 3 month ban on all servers.It was all my fault, I'm willing to take all the responsibility even if it includes a permanent ban.

The only thing I'll ask of you guys is to leave the other persons who were in the server by that time out of this, thanks again.

[Ed]

This report should go against both of you as personally I don't agree with it being solved for John, but I will respect Daniel's decision.

[Card Clasher]

Two words to ALL of you.

Grow up.

You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?

Poufpanda uses this manner in shoutbox, though NEVER did he get warned nor banned which is wrong. Shoutbox is basically equal as the server behavior.

It really gets on my nerves when I see crap such as this. If you guys cannot freaking control your behavior don't even apply to administrate on Ambrosia. As for snitches get a grip honestly.

I am sick of having to read such reports EVERYDAY of the entire MONTH !

[owNz]

Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.

[Card Clasher]

Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.

Firstly, that was directed to him the first quote.

Second, I would very much appreciate if you do not tell me what my job is about and what to do and not to do. I have already banned him once on shoutbox for a day's time.

[Rubix]

Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.

Card does an excellent job as a FM an do not shift this conversation towards him.
Stop acting as if you are so perfect and that you are the best person in the world for this job.
You're gonna raise a few eyebrows and spark arguments if you keep up like that.

[`Firroth]

We have just implemented a new Rule/ Policy specifically to deal with situations like this. In my opinion, considering that this is the first case since the new law came into force, I reckon that we should allow Raven to  set the degree of punishment because no one knows the rule clearer than him atm. Once the precedent is set, this can then be used as a threshold for future cases.

Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.

As far as I am concern, Card is very professional when it comes to fulfilling his tasks as a FM. I've seen him punishing members who are his own clanmates, steam and irl friends. There is no need to roll up your defensive sleeves, his post wasn't directed at you.

[onyzz;;]

http://www.dramabutton.com/
Sorry for spam :3
had to do it

[dEEE]

Onyzz, you made my whole year.
I love you.

ON A COMPLETE UNRELATED NOTE: tun tun tuuuuuuuuuuuun.

[`Firroth]

Refrain from spamming unrelated posts. I will leave this topic unlocked but bear in mind what I've said earlier.

[owNz]

Sry that i have taken such a defensive side but i thought it was directed to me  + i agree with firroth on letting this case go to raven.
Btw lets not discuss john's case in here since it is already solved.

[Card Clasher]

http://www.dramabutton.com/
Sorry for spam :3
had to do it

Onyzz, you made my whole year.
I love you.

ON A COMPLETE UNRELATED NOTE: tun tun tuuuuuuuuuuuun.

I had to warn the both of you. This kind of behavior should be done over the shoutbox or on steam...

I will lock this until Raven comes to a decision to prevent certain spams ^

[Burzum]

Sorry for my late reply

drn and I will discuss if we want admins with that behaviour in our team

[drn]

Okay, its quite a lond thread and a clearly hot topic for some people. Burzum and I have discussed it and feel action must be taken. We think we have a grasp on what happened and I shall summarize it below for convenience, any other admins feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

What we see is fragrant verbal abuse, intended to offend others, by an admin on an ambrosia server. He was asked to stop and didn't.

We feel a suspension and a time ban from CW server are quite appropriate but shall leave the final decision to the higher powers. In his defense it can be easy for people to forget that the CW server is still Ambrosia territory. We need to be very clear that it is, and the rules are the rules. Personally I feel if a firm warning from a responsible admin had been given at the time this whole issue may have been avoided.  While we have been laxer in enforcing rules on the CW server recently, as is been viewed as private and most people seemed to be behaving and getting along reasonably. We feel in this instance they clearly didn't and the verbal abuse given was far beyond the pale.

I'm no angel, those that know me know I'm a Northerner from England and swear constantly when talking to my friends, but never to offend and if one asks you to stop then you respect their choice and tone it down. This went far beyond emphasizing a point or gentle ribbing of a friend. This was intended to offend and was clearly highly effective at doing so. As admins we must always remember players on ambrosia can be of any age and from any background, for some swearing is a massive taboo and especially abuse towards family members. In this context and from the evidence provided I would support a suspension of admin rights and a time ban from the CW server.

I hope all involved understand the thought process that led to this decision and will respect what ever punishment is ultimately issued by the senior admins when they review this case.

[Ray]

I am sorry for spamming here, but is this solved already ? Should we move it to Resolved admin complaints ?

[thEnd]

I would drop the case due lateness of the review. 

[Raven E II R]

Due to lateness, this will be dropped.