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Offline NaNashi

Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« on: June 20, 2013, 01:50:32 am »
Admin:surrounded by ur embrace
Server:dd2
Date & Time:today
Complaint: Bad behavior ++ ,  fast ban for specbug
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...): console rec

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*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  nanashi

*MORT* rks :  /me

revol + Sarah. killed PiLo RaOuF with ak47
*MORT* nExT :  120

Kinky.hk (RADIO): Grenade !
*MORT* cedry2k :  hahah

*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  specbug reinstall windows or ban

*MORT* No1B|DonTodo # Pew Pew!! :  reinstall?

*MORT* No1B|DonTodo # Pew Pew!! :  xD

*MORT* PiLo RaOuF :  /rs

*MORT* cedry2k :  eu 137

*MORT* No1B|DonTodo # Pew Pew!! :  restart.

*MORT* No1B|DonTodo # Pew Pew!! :  :P

*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  no

*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  buy new computer

*MORT* nosound :  format pc

*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  + steam

No1B|RAMBATEN killed H with awp
*MORT* IM MAAAAD :@:@:@: :  reinstaal noob

*MORT* No1B|DonTodo # Pew Pew!! :  lol

*MORT* NanaShi-KuN .742 :  reinstall windows ?

Kinky.hk (RADIO): J'ai besoin de soutien.
*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  yes

*MORT* IM MAAAAD :@:@:@: :  yes

Kinky.hk + PiLo RaOuF killed Sarah. with famas
*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  go or ban

*** Kinky.hk killed SaFe____0 with a headshot from famas ***
No1B|RAMBATEN killed buskezzz.3 with awp
Core i24 dropped
Core i24 a quitte la partie
*MORT* PiLo RaOuF :  hhhhhhhhhhh

*MORT* nosound :  blow up pc and house

BobMarley dropped
BobMarley a quitte la partie
*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  :(

*MORT* imad :  affirmatif

Not playing a local game.
*MORT* IM MAAAAD :@:@:@: :  go now

*MORT* nExT :  acum ma incalzesc:)le dau anal

** Player BobMarley disconnected due to high ping
*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  dont make rambate ban u

*MORT* No1B|DonTodo # Pew Pew!! :  atleast restart ur steam hombre.

*MORT* imad :  wnglish or ?

PiLo RaOuF + Kinky.hk killed Zole with m4a1
game over overflowed
game over a quitte la partie
*MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  no english

Kicked :"banned for 5 min"


i was Head Admin a long time in this community on the old version ,  leader of the  [AK] clan, i'm sure old members remember me ...well , i cannot tolerate this anymore ...

btw im Steamer  "NanaShi-KuN .742" 1505 STEAM_0:1:42812448 "  ( HA can check i was in server with steam ! ) askin me reinstall windows ... buy a pc or buy steam , and ban me for specbug ... ?!! 

All i want from the owners , HA ....   choose and set mature guys for admin post .

Best Regards ,
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Offline thEnd

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 02:04:46 am »
I do ban for 5mins sometimes if I'm having a concern that player will not listen to me.
We don't kick/ban all players who have spec bug. Only then if we are interested to spec a player.
Joke about reinstall windows is normal as we are not tend to keep an official atmosphere in the server. Sometimes jokes come around and it's nothing bad.

Once a long time ago I reported embra for messing with my nick when it was just a joke. That night I was drunked so it made me angry easily. Now I regret that as most shameful report, but everyone does mistakes.

So I advise you just listen to an admin and do restart instead of reporting for a joke.

Regards
thEnd
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 02:06:22 am by thEnd »

Offline NaNashi

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 02:39:23 am »
Hey ,

I'm reporting for bad behavior ! he was not joking ... u think he was when he banned me ? ,  and for this situation a kick is good enaugh to warn somone u suspect and yes agree with you ; a ban for 5 min for players rejoinin without restart pc or steam = Rules r Rules mate !!

For your advise , naturally i listen to admins ... and respect must be reciprocal between admins and players !

Best Regards ;
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Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 02:50:53 am »
I was there and i know embrace was joking.
Also i notified him that u had a specbug coz i was intrested in speccing u.
Still embrace is a admin like this and just likes to fool around and have fun like i was doing with him.

Offline DrDrake

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 02:56:29 am »
Hello Nanashi, its good to see you still hanging around Ambrosia! 8)


Joking around and banning just like that is not by the rules anyway...
I would understand if warn a couple of times and then kick if the player doesnt respond or anything, but straight ban is unfair.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 02:58:01 am by DrDrake »

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Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 03:00:55 am »
It wasnt a straight ban. It was surrounded told him to "reinstall pc" coz of specbug. And also i told him to restart atleast steam for the specbug. It was a couple minutes later before the ban occured.

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Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 03:15:16 am »
If I may add something to this, embrace, as most of us know, has an unique personality. Now I am not saying that this uniqueness is a free pass to abuse, but it is something that we ought take into account because nobody is equal. In all fairness, everyone who plays in the server knows that embrace is a joker. He likes to make sarcastic remarks in effort to make ppl laugh, or at least, to keep himself entertained. I find it welcoming tbh as his chatters usually breaks the tensions built from the game.

From my perspective, I do enjoy his dark humours. We all play the game for "fun", and embrace's humours, somewhat, enhances that (fun) in a way. Just look back at the chat that you've posted, everyone there knew that he was cracking up a joke and most of them were playing along. To me, it seems like everyone was just having "fun" and none found it offensive, well maybe except for you. If you do indeed, find it offensive, then I think as an admin myself I would apologize to you on his behalf for the offence.

However, if I may, I would encourage you and everyone in future to try look at things from a more positive angle. There are two sides to everything, and if we would just be more optimistic, all of these could be avoided. Just my 2 cents worth.


Firroth
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 03:25:01 am by `Firroth »

Offline NaNashi

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 03:46:24 am »
Hello DrDrake , Firroth ! 

I'm not sure if jokes like this are permitted here !Dark humour or whatever , personnaly i do not  tolerate ! and yes i can confirm i get a ban without previous kick ! and you can see how he warned me , (buy pc  buy steam ) well good jokes ... u say !. Between " *MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  specbug reinstall windows or ban" and Kicked :"banned for 5 min"  less than 3 min " i died ... next round i get ban!

Firroth , thank you for your post ,
Well , there is the situation ! he's an admin , he banned me for a joke like u say !
If I may add something to this, embrace, as most of us know, has an unique personality. .......  everyone who plays in the server knows that embrace is a joker.

 - first , i dont know him even more his personnality ! So , i think measuring words and respect is important from an admin and reciprocal .
 
He likes to make sarcastic remarks in effort to make ppl laugh, or at least, to keep himself entertained. I find it welcoming tbh as his chatters usually breaks the tensions built from the game.

- second , in my view, its not permitted to make ppl laugh from others , and again,  even more if it come from an admin  ;  btw tensions is part of CS ...



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Offline thEnd

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2013, 04:30:24 am »
To keep this short - admin warned you. He didn't received your response in "ok I will do" form so basically he knew that you will keep up playing so therefore  your 5min ban was fair enough.

I'm sorry that you didn't undarstand his joke about "pc".

Offline Wheezy

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2013, 04:43:30 am »
If this is a bad behaviour from SBYE then what me,him and Moneyr did to people was the worst behaviour ever ... Nanashi mate, we are just having fun by our own like that. We make people laugh sometimes, it's not just the goddamn game you want to play right ?? You want to enjoy, and laugh a bit while playing to fully enjoy it.



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Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2013, 05:15:32 am »
Hello DrDrake , Firroth ! 

I'm not sure if jokes like this are permitted here !Dark humour or whatever , personnaly i do not  tolerate ! and yes i can confirm i get a ban without previous kick ! and you can see how he warned me , (buy pc  buy steam ) well good jokes ... u say !. Between " *MORT* surrounded by ur embrace :  specbug reinstall windows or ban" and Kicked :"banned for 5 min"  less than 3 min " i died ... next round i get ban!

Firroth , thank you for your post ,
Well , there is the situation ! he's an admin , he banned me for a joke like u say !
If I may add something to this, embrace, as most of us know, has an unique personality. .......  everyone who plays in the server knows that embrace is a joker.

 - first , i dont know him even more his personnality ! So , i think measuring words and respect is important from an admin and reciprocal .
 
He likes to make sarcastic remarks in effort to make ppl laugh, or at least, to keep himself entertained. I find it welcoming tbh as his chatters usually breaks the tensions built from the game.

- second , in my view, its not permitted to make ppl laugh from others , and again,  even more if it come from an admin  ;  btw tensions is part of CS ...



Best Regards ,
 Nanashi-KuN


I do understand where you are coming from, I really do. Being a professional myself I understand that, when one is entrusted with power or authority, he/she should exercise it as objective as possible without the attachment of subjectivity such as emotions, partiality and so on. However, this is a gaming community, where the very essence and existence of this community and its servers is/are to accommodate the public who wants to enjoy and have fun. Hence, some ice breakers/ dark humours once in awhile can be tolerated.

As much as I am a fighter for professionalism, the standard to apply here should not be equated to that of the real world for the reasons that I've mentioned above. Besides, we should keep in mind that the admins here are not paid, nor are we given any sort of remuneration or benefit in carrying out our responsibilities. It is also important to note that the execution of our obligations is in the expense of our own time and leisure.


On the action of SBYE:


If we would adopt the criminal procedure to this matter, for there to be a crime one must have the actus reus (action) + the mens rea (intention).
Looking at the facts of this case, although embrace has the actus reus (to offend you), I am fairly certain that he is lacking the intention (mens rea) to do so because like what I said, he is really, just trying to make some silly joke. (and not to offend you).

Now I agree different people have different sense of humour, what may seem funny to him and others may not be funny to you, in that case, I can only say that embrace should then learn to be more sensitive when interacting with the diversity of characters within the community. Other than that, I don't see why this should be made into an issue bigger than what it was, that is, a mischievous attempt to create a joke.


Firroth



« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 05:34:14 am by `Firroth »

Offline thEnd

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2013, 06:30:21 am »
You sir are legend.
You will be the next gereration replica.


Offline Weed Farmerr

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2013, 06:44:02 am »
You sir are legend.
You will be the next gereration replica.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH so true....  :D :D :D :D :D

Offline WeeDy

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 07:14:27 am »
i know you nanashi , idk if you remember me PsycoMATIK^

hmm. nanashi is verry friendly, i didnt see him before breaking rules
about embrace , i see him asometimes in server in my opinion
he has warn nanashi first and tell him to rr modem/pc , but i dont think that he can take actions like this.

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Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 07:20:02 am »
If Embrace, though hes cheating and he wanted to watch him then ist ok to rr router or cs. But if not, then there is no reason to kick the spec bugger cuz the next 32/Player gets it And to kick every 32th Player aint really an Option!

Offline Burzum

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2013, 11:43:10 am »
about the ban, well... he banned after he warned you, so the 5 mins ban is legit, since he warned about your bug before bans you


what i dont like is that kind of humour..... i can joke with friends or ppl i know already.... but if you use this kind of humour with an unknown player, ur taking a risk. coz you dont know the reaction of this guy (nanashi, in this case) and maybe this player has not the same humour sense as you. and also, the rest of a**lickers making fun with the admin, that could be a bit disapointing for the player. if i was nanashi i would never join again this server

when a player doesnt know a situation, or u need to explain to him some rules, there is no need to make fun about him. if you want to joke or make fun, do it with your "friends", or those players who laugh with you

the same when you see a newbie player, that even doesnt know how to plant c4.... instead insult him and ask for slay/kick him PEOPLE SHOULD TRY TO EXPLAIN HIM THE RULES AND THE GAME, because any1 of us was born with all learned already, we were learning step by step

so WE ALL should know the difference between joke and disrespect
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Offline ~RoN

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2013, 11:48:08 am »
Hey,

I see this more as disrespect because when a new player who joins and dont know i think you should explain him and not to make jokes on him.
Because you never know when a new player joins and you start making jokes about him then he can be offended so its not really a good behavior to show in server. Because you know when new players join if you do that to every new players who joing at the end there will be 0 players. So just try to respect and talk to them normally instand of joking with people who you dont know.

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Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2013, 12:42:48 pm »
You sir are legend.
You will be the next gereration replica.
OMG. I cannot be compared to that guy.. he doesn't even speak english.. probably some language rocket scientists speak. LoL!  :D

about the ban, well... he banned after he warned you, so the 5 mins ban is legit, since he warned about your bug before bans you


what i dont like is that kind of humour..... i can joke with friends or ppl i know already.... but if you use this kind of humour with an unknown player, ur taking a risk. coz you dont know the reaction of this guy (nanashi, in this case) and maybe this player has not the same humour sense as you. and also, the rest of a**lickers making fun with the admin, that could be a bit disapointing for the player. if i was nanashi i would never join again this server

so WE ALL should know the difference between joke and disrespect

Yes. I do agree with you on this, that is why I mentioned that the thing embrace can learn out from this whole episode is to be more sensitive when dealing with the players. I personally feel that many of us who knows him would not mind his occasional jokes and sarcasms, however, it is then important that he does not do it again to people who could be offended. As such, l stand by my opinion that his humours are fine, so long as he applies them to the right people.

About the as*licking part, I do agree that SBYE has many fans and supporters, however, personally I don't think that he is to be blamed for that. He has built a strong reputation in the game, and from my perspective this should be viewed positively because whether we like it or not, it is a fact that he does indeed attract players into the server. Why do I say this? Because back when I was HA in Demolition, it was one of my objective to try get SBYE back to play at our servers because with him, comes along a multitude of others. Good and decent players tend to like to play with players that are skilled because it is more challenging and "fun".
With that said, if there is an issue with the as*lickers around him, there is nothing much he can do about it except, again, to be more sensitive and try to not to create a situation that would put anyone in discomfort.

I would like to reiterate again that although professionalism should be imposed, in a gaming community like this, the standard is much lower than in the real world. People come here with different motivation and different mind set, and to some of us, after a long day of professionalism at work, we just want to come to the servers to have "fun" instead of signing in for another "job".

Agree at everything Roni said about 'respect'. It is something that all of us should learn and not only embrace, I don't think that he should be the only one taking all the blame for this matter because I am certain that most of us admins have stepped out of line before. However, above all, our intentions were not to offend or disrespect anyone but merely to fool around and play jokes. So we are ready to apologize if we have offended anyone in the past, bear in mind that it wasn't our intention to do so.

Overall, I won't disregard nanashi's complain, because from what I see this is a legitimate issue but it shouldn't be played into something as big as an "abuse" because in my opinion, this is just a clash of characters/attitudes which could be resolved over a friendly chat.


Firroth
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 01:12:08 pm by `Firroth »

Offline WeeDy

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2013, 12:57:59 pm »
Hey,

I see this more as disrespect because when a new player who joins and dont know i think you should explain him and not to make jokes on him.
Because you never know when a new player joins and you start making jokes about him then he can be offended so its not really a good behavior to show in server. Because you know when new players join if you do that to every new players who joing at the end there will be 0 players. So just try to respect and talk to them normally instand of joking with people who you dont know.

Cheers
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Offline Alves

Re: Bad behavior from surrounded ...
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2013, 01:00:16 pm »
He warned then banned.
Since the ban has expired, i'd consider this as solved.