Game of Thrones

[Cersei]

Is anyone here reading Game of Thrones?Just finished book 5 have to wait for 6 till 2014 apparently. Want to know if you are reading what do you think, if not reading I suggest you do ha!

[Ocelvon]

What is it about? 

[Cersei]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Game_of_Thrones Its too much to explain, I just want to say that plot is amazing, characters are extremely interesting and realistic, for example there is not really a good or bad, every good character has a bad side and every bad character can be liked at some level. It is mostly about the realm which is not in our world. There are humans, there is magic (not very prominent), Knights, kings. I have never read anything so enchanting in my life and I read a lot. Feel empty now Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 10:44:30 amI have been surprised again and again with the way the story goes and with the depth of characters.

[♪♪♫ Toxic☆Hunter ツ]

I am not reading it coz I dislike books, but I watched 1st season of series and can't wait till 2nd, love Game of Thrones

[Cersei]

Yes the series are very good and quite good to follow the books. But it is lacking one thing, in the book you can get into the heads of characters and know what thye are thinking, so you know them better.

[♪♪♫ Toxic☆Hunter ツ]

Yes the series are very good and quite good to follow the books. But it is lacking one thing, in the book you can get into the heads of characters and know what thye are thinking, so you know them better.

I totally agree, oh well, at least there's internet for reading more info about characters and "getting into their heads"

[Cersei]

Trust me no amount of google, wiki can help you in that. But I understand some people just dont like reading even though it is hard to imagine why:). Season 2 starts February?

[Ezzα]

Only books i read are my ACCA ones 

[Cersei]

There alsi is TV series out who prefers watching

[m4hbaggy]

Read them all and loved all but the last 2. AFFC was ok but ADWD was so bad. It had it's moments but parts of it were dire. Mostly the Meereen stuff which just dragged on and on. Hopefully that looks to be over with now so I have high hopes for the next book.Highly recommend the series if you're into fantasy or just like reading in general. Definitely  1 of the greats and easily rivals LOTR in my opinion.

[Cersei]

I was not happy with George devideing book 4-5 characters, like you I dont enjoy too much visiting 9 free cities, I prefer to know what is going on in Westeros.  My favorite chapters are with Jon, Tyrion, Arya so was hard to wait to see what was going on with others. I am not a great fan of Daenerys but starting to like her little better. I hope what happened to Jon Snow in the end is not the end of him (spoilers sry)all in all I do love the all 5 same way. Ending of 5 was really sadistic from the writer since we have to wait a while now.Thanks for the reply

[m4hbaggy]

Some MASSIVE spoilers here about Jon so look away now if you don't want to know.He might not be dead. His body is( for now ) but his mind isn't. He's a warg and ghost was nearby so he could've easily shifted into him like the other warg did at the start of the book.Not only that but Martin is causing a LOT of confusion with who Azor Ahai actually is and the fact that whenever Melisandre looks into the flames to search for AA, who she thinks is Stannis, the flames keep showing her Jon instead. Combined with the other Red Priest conveniently showing the healing powers they have with Victarion the next book should be very interesting.Also something I remembered as I was about to post this. Being killed and brought back releases Jon's ties with the night's watch.

[♪♪♫ Toxic☆Hunter ツ]

Trust me no amount of google, wiki can help you in that. But I understand some people just dont like reading even though it is hard to imagine why:). Season 2 starts February?

I do trust you, but internet could help, not fully like books but still can :DNo :(Unfortunatelly they moved it for April 2012...

[Cersei]

I have read suggestions that Melisandre used Glamor on Jon Snow as she did  on Mance Rayder. Some people think Jon is the third head of a dragon. Arghhh how can he do this to us? )I was not really loving Jon Snow untill he has become Lord Commander of The Night's Watch, since than He became my favorite.

[m4hbaggy]

Never heard about the glamor theory..hmm, maybe. Actually makes a bit of sense with the way he was acting before it happened as well. Still, knowing Martin he has just offed him.

[Cersei]

To be honest I dont see how can Jon carry on just being a warg. I really think that Glamor version is the one, or that Melisandre will bring him back to life, but highly unlikely, he has no future as a character being undead. Knowing George I think he will surprise us.Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 12:56:42 pmOne thing is strange with the last chapter of Jon. Why did the wolf bore his teeth when Jon went in? and why did Karstark taken to howling at nights in the ice cells? Could it be that Melisandre swaped them? Jon would never propose to NIght's Watch to retake Winterfell, Also Jon had moved Karstark to the old Mormont's cells, but what happened to the other one? They said there were 2 live bodies in the ice cells and 3 dead.Yet he said to move Karstark to the old Mormonts quarters.Only reason Karstark would agree to glamor was if Jon proposed that he couls retake Winterfell.

[m4hbaggy]

One thing is strange with the last chapter of Jon. Why did the wolf bore his teeth when Jon went in? and why did Karstark taken to howling at nights in the ice cells? Could it be that Melisandre swaped them? Jon would never propose to NIght's Watch to retake Winterfell, Also Jon had moved Karstark to the old Mormont's cells, but what happened to the other one? They said there were 2 live bodies in the ice cells and 3 dead.Yet he said to move Karstark to the old Mormonts quarters.Only reason Karstark would agree to glamor was if Jon proposed that he couls retake Winterfell.

Never thought of that but it does actually make a lot of sense. I just took Ghost baring his teeth to me that he was trying to warn Jon about what was about to happen but it just as easily be like you said, Karstark with a glamor on. That brings up a whole load of problems though. Jon distrusts Karstark so why would he risk not only letting him free, but make it so he has full control of the night's watch. Then theres the fact that Ghost has to been show to not really give a damn about people other than Jon( and even ignores his orders at times) so if he did sense or know that it wasn't really him then what was stopping him from ripping "Jon" to pieces.This is 1 of the reasons I love this series tbh. So many theories about whose who and what's actually happening. There was 1 about Jon really being the Prince who would be or whatever they called him before someone we thought was long dead showed up out of nowhere.

[Cersei]

you are right, my explanation has a loop holes all over, but there might be a hidden conversatio between him and Melisandre which we did not see before, but than again before they attack Jon, he thinks maybe Mellisandre was right about " look in to the skies" so it makes me think it I still Jon. I really dont know what to think, I do hope his body is not gone.What you think can be possible, we still do not really know who is Jon's mother, It very well can be one of Targaryen's, maybe that is why Ned never mentions the woman who bore him, She may be of Targeryen blood, even not a trueborn, but a natural daughter.I really can not wait. So who do you like the most? I mean it can not be only one, I have fewPost Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:16:57 pmI really still do not understand why Karstark is howling at night and why Jon has Ghost locked away since the Vlidlings came to Night's Watch. I dont think Boar excuse is enough, since they could very well keep the skinchanger away from the main quarters.I think I am going to re-read te whole 5 before 6 comes out, too many characters.Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:26:13 pmah and how can we be sure his father is Ned? He very well maybe son of someone important, I take back Targeryen cause they all have silver hair and purple eyes.

[m4hbaggy]

Same as your favourites actually. The 3 of them have the most interesting chapters imo. I used to like Danny but after the last book I've gone off her. She's a really irritating character right now with how naive she is. I just hope that the next book redeems her and with the way her chapter ended it looks promising.Just to add another theory, you're actually half right about the Targeryn blood. The most popular theory when it comes to Jon's parents is that his mother is actually Ned's sister, Lyanna and Rhaegar is his father. It's never actually made clear whether or not he actually kidnapped her. All we know for certain is that they went off together and they had a history in that Rhaegar named her the Queen of Love and Beauty instead of his own wife at a tournament. It's the reason that Jon is thought to not only be 1 of the 3 heads of the dragon but also why the idea that he was the "prince who was promised"( I knew I got the name wrong earlier) came about. It would also explain why Ned refused to talk about the mother really was. He knew that if Robert found out he would have Jon killed.

[Cersei]

Oh My God! I have never thought of that!NOw it is clear! you may be totally right. I always thought it weird that Lyanna died, all in blood. We know Rhaegar kidnapped her and raped her, but somehow it did not seem valid excuse for her death. Now I can see that she might have died of childbirth. Remember? when Ned always thinks of Lyanna he remembers " Promise me Ned" only this, so she made him promise to protect Jon. Dragon Has 3 heads: Daenerys,Prince Aegon and Jon!Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:37:26 pmAlso I hate Rhaegar all through the book, no one else mentions him raping Lyanna only Starks and Robert. Remember when Baristan the Bold was telling Daenerys about Rhaegar, he never said that he raped Lyanna. It very well maybe they were in love.Everyone has only good things to say about Rhaegar and I kept wondering what about Lyanna? he was a bad man, but now I am not sure.Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:41:08 pmI also hope Cersei will not be broken, I really like her character, she is very complex and interesting even though she is a bitch.