Headadmin Complain against: Next and an heads-up for Monster

[Sight]

Admin: Next & Monster (pretty much)
Server: Jailbreak
Date & Time: Yesterday.... 13:23
Complaint: Admins Lying, Freeshooting, Disobeying their own Rules
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):


i wont post the demo untill "Next" proves his point without logs. logs can be manipulated, i dont have to post prove or evidence untill next has his own prove in means of SS or Demo.

Story:
Sight joins jailbreak, plays a couple of rounds but buys cellkeys to get out, however i dont rebel, i use them keys to run to the cage okay?.

when im in the cage i just wait and do nothing, well on one day this headadmin guy "Next" freeshoots me inside the cage when NO COMMAND IS GIVEN! (NONE).

i just said that if he continues to freeshoot me i'll make sure he will get demoted in terms of using the forum as my power since im an free man and i am allowed to use that.

well since most people know me, and most of the staff dont know me inside the server a little intro about me:

I am a guy who is strict with the rules but still can have some fun. i am pretty sure that 90% of the jailbreak players that play in jailbreak can prove my story about being VERY strict with them rules.

Story continues:
i just wonder, why Next is allowed to quit me for this sentence:

Edited:Am not gonna go off topic again and post another reply but i'll just edit this post, Since your saying that you said that you will only report me + MonsteR told me i should've quited you for provoking me but i didn't take any action, Well i found this in the logs
STEAM_0:1:43155156><*******ip> Sight : free shoot one more time and ill make sure you will get demoted
19:23:24 <STEAM_0:1:43155156><********ip> Sight : freeshoot more

this is no reason for an admin to quit an player, the admin is wrong in this very case by freeshooting.

funny part of this whole story:

Their were 2 CT's at the time, i pretty much assumed both of them were admins.
I didnt knew who was shooting at me, i never know untill next made the post i quoted above.
Logs can be checked, i never called out an name, i was buzy typing because of being afraid to be killed by this freeshooter.

isnt this wrong? Next just openly admitted to Freeshooting. i never said "stop freeshooting next", he just openly admitted it was him and im still wrong?


this admin is just randomly freeshooting on people, really? as headadmin you need to know the rules of all the servers.

and for monster, you cannot quit someone that says such a thing, you really need to get used to ur own rules, you didnt even knew the story.


i would like to know their side of the story, you not just talking to an player here you know, i have my brains with me next, you openly admitted urself and still say i am wrong?


i know what im going to do next time im in Jailbreak, freeshoot all Terrorists since it is allowed!

This report is mainly against next since he does what he wants in jailbreak breaking them ambrosia laws.

however for monster it is more to open his damn eyes and see what is behind all this, and before he says to an admin he can quit people he needs to get to know his own laws.[/color]

and please dont come with this "no evidence is no report", Next can't go inside the logs and grab evidence against me aswell, he needs screenshots or demo's.

i would like to ask this to be unlucked and not to be locked untill its solved, this next is an bad admin and he just proved it himself

[Shane]

Well for starters if you wish to make a complaint against a admin or a player YOU have to provide evidence.

[Ray]

Shane he said he will ...
and Sight ... if the story is how you said it is .... You are correct ... it's wrong  ... but
if you really provoked NexT ... he can even ban you ...
let's wait their reply ... i'm sure he didn't do such thing

[Sight]

Well for starters if you wish to make a complaint against a admin or a player YOU have to provide evidence.

he openly admitted he was wrong, please reread my post before you post, i cant see how you read this all in 1 minute.

Shane he said he will ...
and Sight ... if the story is how you said it is .... You are correct ... it's wrong  ... but
if you really provoked NexT ... he can even ban you ...
let's wait their reply ... i'm sure he didn't do such thing

funny part of this whole story:

Their were 2 CT's at the time, i pretty much assumed both of them were admins.
I didnt knew who was shooting at me, i never know untill next made the post i quoted above.
Logs can be checked, i never called out an name, i was buzy typing because of being afraid to be killed by this freeshooter.[/color]


isnt this wrong? Next just openly admitted to Freeshooting. i never said "stop freeshooting next", he just openly admitted it was him and im still wrong?


quoted from above, 2 admins who cant read.

[Shane]

Shane he said he will ...
and Sight ... if the story is how you said it is .... You are correct ... it's wrong  ... but
if you really provoked NexT ... he can even ban you ...
let's wait their reply ... i'm sure he didn't do such thing

i wont post the demo untill "Next" proves his point without logs. logs can be manipulated, i dont have to post prove or evidence untill next has his own prove in means of SS or Demo

That bit kind of told me he wouldn't.

isnt this wrong? Next just openly admitted to Freeshooting. i never said "stop freeshooting next", he just openly admitted it was him and im still wrong?


quoted from above, 2 admins who cant read.

I can read it but what i am not seeing is any actual evidence just you saying check logs i'm not posting demo.

[ChiKo]

yeah i noticed so many times that he is overreacting

[Sight]

I can read it but what i am not seeing is any actual evidence just you saying check logs i'm not posting demo.

its the same as he was aimbotting, and then keeps denying it and ends up openly admitting it on the forums.

[Ed]

Technically he wasn't in wrong. If you are out of the cells before the cells are opened either by CT or auto 7.00, then it counts as rebelling and you can be killed. Even if the command is not given, you shouldn't be out of cells before 7.00 unless CT opens cells without command which is FD.

Also you did provoke him.
I'm not defending anyone, but that's how I see it.

[NexT]

1)I like it when you said that logs aren't a proof so you think that i edited them,For your own info i didn't get the logs because i didn't find them i talked to raven about what happened and told him couldn't find this sentence that sight said, well he found it for me maybe if you don't trust/believe me but you trust and believe raven 

2)I'am 100% sure that haters will join you in this complaint since some of them hate me and maybe hate monster ..

3)I know rules even more than any admin/player,I am a trusted jailbreak player .. A proof ? Before i got promoted to Head Admin,I was a Jailbreak admin i was trusted with the rules and stuff and i got promoted to a Parliament member,If you don't know whats parliament member, Parliament members are admins who are trusted and could discuss some stuff with the Jailbreak head admin,Nothing more and nothing less but Trusted.

4)I would like you to upload your demo,I wanna see how many shots i shot you since you said i made your HP 7 well we will see after you upload

5)About admitting,Yes i admit I free shot you about how much times i shot you the demo can show  and i would like you a Screenshot on how much points you got on Ambrosia server,Since you abused points before you leave  (Ambrosia not any other server)

6)Lets wait for Owner's Or Jailbreak Head Admin 

[Ray]

Umm .. i checked logs and yes .... the quote about the logs ... is correct ... nothing modified

19:22:55  Sight : free shooting?
19:23:21  Sight : free shoot one more time and ill make sure you will get demoted
19:23:24  Sight : freeshoot more


That's what i found .... well without the demo to clear things up nothing will be solved ... upload it ..
(i wonder where was i when that happened .... i was on server tho o.O and i picked a CT too ..)
Well .... upload demo .. you wanted next to reply .. and he did . upload ..
So far it's a useless report

[Fisu]

1)I like it when you said that logs aren't a proof so you think that i edited them,For your own info i didn't get the logs because i didn't find them i talked to raven about what happened and told him couldn't find this sentence that sight said, well he found it for me maybe if you don't trust/believe me but you trust and believe raven 

2)I'am 100% sure that haters will join you in this complaint since some of them hate me and maybe hate monster ..

3)I know rules even more than any admin/player,I am a trusted jailbreak player .. A proof ? Before i got promoted to Head Admin,I was a Jailbreak admin i was trusted with the rules and stuff and i got promoted to a Parliament member,If you don't know whats parliament member, Parliament members are admins who are trusted and could discuss some stuff with the Jailbreak head admin,Nothing more and nothing less but Trusted.

4)I would like you to upload your demo,I wanna see how many shots i shot you since you said i made your HP 7 well we will see after you upload

5)About admitting,Yes i admit I free shot you about how much times i shot you the demo can show  and i would like you a Screenshot on how much points you got on Ambrosia server,Since you abused points before you leave  (Ambrosia not any other server)

6)Lets wait for Owner's Or Jailbreak Head Admin 

He adminited. For sure that gonna be just a warn for him . About " all can say i have the demo" But if you dont post it then you dont got one. Post it, so we all can see what really happend. And what i think is you really provokated him and thats on the Demo and your scared to post it. If you post the demo i can see that im wrong.

PS: neXt is a very good admin there is a reason why hes an Head now. He follows rules very well. Hes one of the Best admins in JB.

[JnaN- GM?]

Technically he wasn't in wrong. If you are out of the cells before the cells are opened either by CT or auto 7.00, then it counts as rebelling and you can be killed. Even if the command is not given, you shouldn't be out of cells before 7.00 unless CT opens cells without command which is FD.

Also you did provoke him.
I'm not defending anyone, but that's how I see it.

If he is running around the map it is rebelling but he was already in the cage.. how is this rebelling? I'm not defending anyone too.
NexT admitted  but to be "demoted" cmooon.... Every admin make mistakes sometimes.. I have seen admins freekilling, i have done it too by mistake, now what? let's demote our ass, eh?

[Sight]

Umm .. i checked logs and yes .... the quote about the logs ... is correct ... nothing modified

19:22:55  Sight : free shooting?
19:23:21  Sight : free shoot one more time and ill make sure you will get demoted
19:23:24  Sight : freeshoot more


That's what i found .... well without the demo to clear things up nothing will be solved ... upload it ..
(i wonder where was i when that happened .... i was on server tho o.O and i picked a CT too ..)
Well .... upload demo .. you wanted next to reply .. and he did . upload ..
So far it's a useless report

like said above im not uploading an demo untill he has an demo against me, as an admin you have to ss and demo everything always. that is an basic administration rule.

you just admitted again you were wrong again man, its the same as having an aimbot, someone notices and you admit it. you are the one being wrong in this case .

and again i say: i won't post the demo, Next accused me of something with the power of the logs which is unfair, go check the logs about the "hits made in the server"

you will see next shot on me while i said that, he was just taunting on me just so to **** me off, this is basicly challenging someone

19:22:55  Sight : free shooting?
19:23:21  Sight : free shoot one more time and ill make sure you will get demoted
19:23:24  Sight : freeshoot more

as you can see, there was an 30 second window when he kept shooting me.

Demo will only be posted if Next has his own evidence against ME, in terms of an Screenshot or an Demo, if this admin cant take evidence of things im sorry not my fault.

Technically he wasn't in wrong. If you are out of the cells before the cells are opened either by CT or auto 7.00, then it counts as rebelling and you can be killed. Even if the command is not given, you shouldn't be out of cells before 7.00 unless CT opens cells without command which is FD.

Also you did provoke him.
I'm not defending anyone, but that's how I see it.

rules state otherwise samii, i hate to prove you wrong mate but ever since i started playing jb for the very first time i know all of the rules..:

- CTs cannot attack or kill prisoners for no reason,
even if the prisoner has and throws flash or grenade if it doesn't inflict any damage to officers.

24. Any rule not listed here is not a jailbreak rule. (leaving cell before an command is given is not rebelling as you say.)

i hope you understand my point sami. this is just freeshooting, and like said in the starting post of this topic i did this nearly everyday and they didnt shoot me, i am just sitting in the cage before an command was given. noone ever say "leave ur cells and u die".

there is no such rule about this kind of rebelling idea of you...

[thEnd]

About monster. He can quit someone. As admin job is to keep server steady and calm so sometimes it takes to send someone to chill.
Otherwise free shooting without explanation is wrong. And next admitted that.
So story will end soon I guess.

[Sight]

just an final question to next before ill log of till tonight.

why did you continue to freeshoot on me all of the sudden? just why?, i even said "Freeshooting?" and you just kept going? do you even know the jailbreak rules? or you just wanted to abuse a bit with your position? i wasnt the one provoking here, he was the one.

he shot me.
me: "freeshooting?"
(started demo)
shot shot shot.
me: "freeshoot more and ill make sure you will get demoted."
shot one more time
me: "freeshoot more"
left me on 8 hp for no reason.

as you can even see from the logs, the 30 second window is more then enough to shoot me more for no specific reason, he was the one provoking me, i was just defending myself and standing by my own rights.

this report is not really aimed on monster, but before monster says something he should get to the bottem of the issue.


just why did you kept provoking me? i didnt provoke you, you did it on me, as i remember you are still on trial HA.

even an UC/Emperor can't provoke people, so why can a trial headadmin can?

[Ed]

Some rules aren't written, there could be thousand other rules for every each of situation and as you I have too been playing JB for a long time and I participated in creating rules. So if you think about it, you shouldn't be out of the cells before they are opened. 3 ways to be out of cells - vent, cell keys, boosting. 2 of them, vent and boosting is more or less in the rules. Although vent is your hide out and Ct can't do anything, where they can say no boosting allowed, that rule should be added. About cell keys, that's a rebel option, actually almost everything from shop is rebel options. Even if you were in the cage, I am allowed to kill you, although I wouldn't since you are such a nice guy, buying cell keys just to be first in the cage haha.
Tho I understand where you are coming from, the rules don't also state this so technically no one is in wrong, but I'd say you are still wrong for trying to be too nice

[Sight]

the rules don't also state this so technically no one is in wrong, but I'd say you are still wrong for trying to be too nice

24. Any rule not listed here is not a jailbreak rule.

i keep on going on this answer since its the most solid answer i can provide, like i said sami, i did this days and days, however i dont rebel with keys, i was inside the cage of all time, this just suddenly happend after 5 jailbreak days, all were the same just the freeshooting on me was different.

[Ed]

Well then I think the rule should be stripped since the unlisted rules for different situations also apply. I cant think straight in my head the situations, but there are the so called silent rules.
I wish we had JB with no rules Admins make them, simple, fair and easy. No thousand and one rule.

[NexT]

@Sight i wonder what kind of a player that can handle 5 shots and not to die with an M4A1 well maybe your superman or something 
and btw i won't tell you anything till you post the demo and we all see it and see what happened and decide,If you say you wont upload it till i get a proof mate Am really sorry to say that but you are confused of your lies. You complained and reported me not i did .. so you should get a proof not me

@Sami mate just wanted to clear 1 thing, He wasn't opening the cell with a cellkey to be the 1st in the cage but to show us that he is full of points as he abused before he left and he gets not only cellkeys but nades,disguise,invisiblity,crowbar ..etc.

Thank you all i will NOT reply on this complaint,Once i see a proof which is a demo which everyone is telling you to show it that i made your HP7 with 5 M4A1 shots and your not uploading we will wait.

Reminder:Mr sight this report is useless without your demo 

[Pim]

well,

As i can see what happened is that Sight bought cell keys and ran to the cage, at this moment nobody said leave your cells or you die, and if someone uses cell keys to be the first one inside the cage, come on are we seriously calling that rebelling?
Then once Sight is in the cage Next started to warnshoot him (but there was no command for him to follow), this makes it a freeshoot, if Next would have said: "get back in your cell", it would have been a warnshoot, yet he didn't.
Sight asked why he freeshotted and Next continues to shoot at Sight without giving him a command, therefore i would agree to Sight that Next was provoking Sight as well. Sight got mad and said he would get the one freeshoting demoted, this is just a reaction on the freeshots he got.

Also Sight was here way before the shop was here in jailbreak, therefore he had 16000 points and could have bought whatever he wanted, same happened to Ninja who just bought cell keys 24/7. Thats not abusing.

So yes i would say Next is the wrong one.

Pim

P.S. Nothing personal