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Title: [UNBANNED][CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)[Judge: X]
Post by: kell_ on October 13, 2015, 12:16:57 am
Name: kell_
SteamID: 'STEAM_0:1:61856382'
Reason: weird aim
Date & Time: 13.10.2015 around this time. 00:00
Admin: s1lv3rquick
Server: dd2
Have you been banned before: ofcourse
Screenshot URL (Use tinypic.com): http://oi60.tinypic.com/2cokf2c.jpg (http://oi60.tinypic.com/2cokf2c.jpg)

Other: Did not cheat


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Title: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Big Bob on October 13, 2015, 12:16:57 am
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Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: dAmss.MSI on October 13, 2015, 12:25:16 am
I'm pretty sure that kell is clean, however let's see silver's demo.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: [TelecoM]. v!pe(R). on October 13, 2015, 12:32:08 am
hi there.
i already played with kell for several times,he were looking clean, vut this time i was there,in my opinion he had some suspecious aim like he spray from long distance like he know that he will get the kill's anyway, but lets see the demo first and let us read's some comments and finaly the judgment panel desicion.
N.B: this already my opinion, nothing personal here 8).

GL with ur unban app harvey-specteR.

kindly regards.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 13, 2015, 12:56:48 am
Hello there, your aim was too much shaky and weird at the same time, looked like a no recoil and sometimes looked like an aimbot you were spraying all the time either from short or long distance and your bullets surprisingly and every time always go directly to your opponents no random bullets at all, could you please explain to me such a precision? I could say you were lagging and if you've got a high ping I wouldn't bother myself, but it seems you've got a nice ping (obviously) and you were the only one having such a weird aim, looked to others thought it was something to do with the server and all, but nothing special every one's aim looked normal only yours @kell_ other than that, I wish you the best.

Demo: http://www.mediafire.com/download/ghvu5x7uhefjcje/kell.dem (http://www.mediafire.com/download/ghvu5x7uhefjcje/kell.dem)
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 13, 2015, 01:15:42 am
My aim often is like that.

Especially today when I am ill. I can't do precision shots well as concentration is low, so I spray a lot even the whole clip.

But regards to server there might have been a slight change. I noticed that ms was quite low. 0 to 5 ... whereas normally as far as I can remember it is around 10. And I noticed bullets lag at some points when I sprayed.

I don't know what's the fuss here because I haven't seen the demo. If you have a link could you share it. I'd like to see what's going on.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 13, 2015, 01:23:27 am
My aim often is like that.

Especially today when I am ill. I can't do precision shots well as concentration is low, so I spray a lot even the whole clip.

But regards to server there might have been a slight change. I noticed that ms was quite low. 0 to 5 ... whereas normally as far as I can remember it is around 10. And I noticed bullets lag at some points when I sprayed.

I don't know what's the fuss here because I haven't seen the demo. If you have a link could you share it. I'd like to see what's going on.
Well, not really your aim is often like that @kell_ I know you for a long time, but today your aim really was kinda shocking to see, and about the demo's link I already provided it is in my first reply, I'd suggest you to see that demo maybe it may look surprising for you.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 13, 2015, 01:24:18 am
Lol omg what is wrong with that demo ???? :D this must be a server glitch or something. It is nothing like my experience when I was playing. And I haven't changed anything in my gaming options.

Ok so I joined another server and I see the shaking thing now too. I double checked the auto-aim that's in built in the game is off as always. So only thing that comes in to my mind is the MS glitch.

I don't know why but it keeps completely dissapearing then back again. As if lagging. And numbers are too low. But with that other server it has always been similar. Not with ambrosia though. And your servers were down shortly before I joined.

Anyways what do you want me to do now?
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 13, 2015, 03:05:02 am
Looked like no recoil for me tbh and all those shaking moves kinda weird, but maybe we should hear some more opinions about the demo and wait for unban panel's decision.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: D3Y!!S on October 13, 2015, 07:18:09 am
i see the demo the crosshair shakes when shooting this is not normal especialy from low ping player like kell i thing it anti spread cheat
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 13, 2015, 10:26:10 am
wow ....

anyone else has smth to say?
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Fisu on October 13, 2015, 12:44:22 pm
wow ....

anyone else has smth to say?

I can't judge that. But it ain't normal, that's all I can tell.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Kurosaki Ichigo on October 13, 2015, 12:46:19 pm
Watched the demo on half speed...
I see recoil in every situation when he shoots more than 3bullets.
I'd also like to add that the player uses bursts of 3-4 bullets. With m4 they are pretty accurate.

Aside that, from my gaming experience against kell :  wondered sometimes about his good aim ,but even that way  he's no match for some of the players on  the server which we consider clean... His shooting pattern seems a bit similar to mine too...

So, support for unban from me.

Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: X-KilleR on October 13, 2015, 06:15:29 pm
post a screenshot of  USERCONFIG.cfg please in cs folder
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 13, 2015, 06:28:23 pm
Moat importantly just read this for a second and contemplate:

"vut this time i was there,in my opinion he had some suspecious aim like he spray from long distance like he know that he will get the kill's anyway"

Bare in mind silverquick appeared out of nowhere. But viper was there the whole time. And silver went on just to spectate. So im guessing viper called him. And to be honest i was wondering when is viper going to say something as i shot him far too many times. And there you go. An answer was silverquick showing up.

Not even a thought about lags or anything straight into assuming hacks.

Just read what viper says. : "like he knew he was going to get those kills anyway" ... that is like the evidence of the day. Mind reader and god knows what else. I am juat surprised silver banned me. And especially when i said hi to him as he entered the game. I was wondering is he spectating me now? And more than that you know i am not stupid do you really think id play with hacks when ur there just spectating. I mean i can say litteraly whatever now. What matters is who is listening. Some people will say its not normal but will give the lags version a chance. Some will say anything just to favour someone like d3iiis...


I am not cheating. And didnt cheat. What else can i say really. I have been banned even after providing clear demo. Just ahows some peoples intellect and theyr understanding of the game. Althought thankfully there are people like kurosaki who can look.

Another useless thing in ambrosia. But ok i get that you are just being cautious. I have suggested a few times admins to ban some players just to double check and it was not sone however suddenly i shoot viper a couple of times and there we are im banned.

Ok x killer as soon as i get home
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Kurosaki Ichigo on October 13, 2015, 06:57:16 pm
I'd advise you to stop accusing . We'll sort that out.
And it's normal that someone who kills you everytime to draw your attention.
X's demand for your userconfig is justified too.
 I don't know what will come up  as I'm not a leading autority but I'm sure the right decision will be taken.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 13, 2015, 07:08:58 pm
Bare in mind silverquick appeared out of nowhere. But viper was there the whole time. And silver went on just to spectate. So im guessing viper called him. And to be honest i was wondering when is viper going to say something as i shot him far too many times. And there you go. An answer was silverquick showing up.
Nope dear he didn't call me I went to spec all by myself as soon as I realised that you had a wierd and shaky aim.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 13, 2015, 07:33:03 pm
My bad then :)

Apologies for earlier. Glad that was cleared out. Didn't mean to insult. Just not a nice situation here.

I've attached my userconfig. Otherwise i need to take like 3 screenshots? You mean the one that's in my Cs folder right? @X-KilleR

Tried playing in another server just now again. And still have that shake. That is totally related to ms. Don't understand this thing. Normally i'd have it accompanied with high ping. But now just the ms is affected. And strangely enough there was a steam update yesterday or day before. Probably unlikely. Maybe just my flat mates downloading stuff. Will have to ask them off the net and try then. But too busy now at work... maybe on friday.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: X-KilleR on October 14, 2015, 10:32:02 am
not that file ,i said userconfig.cfg
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 14, 2015, 10:50:37 am
I typed search in steam folder and it did not find it. Where is it?
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: X-KilleR on October 14, 2015, 12:27:42 pm
tpe search: *.cfg you should find it
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: silex™ on October 14, 2015, 12:34:35 pm
I checked the demo, and from my 9 years of experience in 1.6 i can say its obvious no recoil, man just admit you cant shoot like that even you have hulks hands, there are some situations where you can control the spray but not like that, you emptied the whole magazine in 1 person, idk how you gonna justify that.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Bess on October 14, 2015, 01:33:11 pm
In my point of view, kell had some aim assistance. The bullets cannot go up and down like that.. The recoil makes the gun fire upwards, not like that. @kell_ just admit it so that you'll have a chance to re-apply for unban after a few months...
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Kurosaki Ichigo on October 14, 2015, 01:46:26 pm
kell, in order to try to prove your innocence, you must upload right away a demo of yourself shooting a wall. on nuke for example ,the wall in front of T spawn. close and middle range .,bursts  and spray shooting. with ak, m4 , mp5 navy.also run and spray against the wall.Time is of the essence, you have a deadline till this evening 6p.m. +GMT (normally that time should be 30 mins or so if you r online but i don't want to be so persistent,I mean you have your private life, we're not police) .

Good luck !
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: HuniePop on October 14, 2015, 02:53:03 pm
kell, in order to try to prove your innocence, you must upload right away a demo of yourself shooting a wall. on nuke for example ,the wall in front of T spawn. close and middle range .,bursts  and spray shooting. with ak, m4 , mp5 navy.also run and spray against the wall.Time is of the essence, you have a deadline till this evening 6p.m. +GMT (normally that time should be 30 mins or so if you r online but i don't want to be so persistent,I mean you have your private life, we're not police) .

Good luck !
Ye he might delete his cheat on purpose of that.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 14, 2015, 04:43:35 pm
kell, in order to try to prove your innocence, you must upload right away a demo of yourself shooting a wall. on nuke for example ,the wall in front of T spawn. close and middle range .,bursts  and spray shooting. with ak, m4 , mp5 navy.also run and spray against the wall.Time is of the essence, you have a deadline till this evening 6p.m. +GMT (normally that time should be 30 mins or so if you r online but i don't want to be so persistent,I mean you have your private life, we're not police) .

Good luck !
He said he tried other server than Ambrosia and still his aim shakes and looks no recoil which means it has nothing to do with the server or lag that's why he should tell us some details about his userconfig.cfg and maybe check the files in his cstrike folder and upload some SS about it just to make sure there is nothing suspicious there.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 14, 2015, 05:24:40 pm
Yesterday today and tomorrow I am working 15 h shifts. Will have to do this when i get home after midnight
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Kurosaki Ichigo on October 14, 2015, 06:46:40 pm
I was talking about his own server  -.-

Main CS screen --> new game  --> de_nuke . ( create LaN server)
shaking ?  I experience the same shaking myself on my screen. shaking comes from the micro movements your hand makes with mouse.


kell what equipment do u have as mouse and pad?
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 14, 2015, 08:59:40 pm
I was talking about his own server  -.-

Main CS screen --> new game  --> de_nuke . ( create LaN server)
shaking ?  I experience the same shaking myself on my screen. shaking comes from the micro movements your hand makes with mouse.


kell what equipment do u have as mouse and pad?
Kuro please it has nothing to do with equipments you know what I'm talking about. :)

His aim shakes and goes up and down like he has some kind of test hook or something when he sprays it's weird, now saying that yours looks similar to his is kinda exaggerating, you only spray when your opponent is close, but @kell_ goes for spray all the time either his opponent is close or way too far, tbh that let me conclude he has something to count on for his aim because it's impossible to get your kills only by spraying like that it's insane, I mean even in aim/fy_maps the opponents are so close and still nobody spray like that now imagine such a big map like DD2? kinda weird. 8)
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Bess on October 14, 2015, 09:45:58 pm
I was talking about his own server  -.-

Main CS screen --> new game  --> de_nuke . ( create LaN server)
shaking ?  I experience the same shaking myself on my screen. shaking comes from the micro movements your hand makes with mouse.


kell what equipment do u have as mouse and pad?
Kuro please it has nothing to do with equipments you know what I'm talking about. :)

His aim shakes and goes up and down like he has some kind of test hook or something when he sprays it's weird, now saying that yours looks similar to his is kinda exaggerating, you only spray when your opponent is close, but @kell_ goes for spray all the time either his opponent is close or way too far, tbh that let me conclude he has something to count on for his aim because it's impossible to get your kills only by spraying like that it's insane, I mean even in aim/fy_maps the opponents are so close and still nobody spray like that now imagine such a big map like DD2? kinda weird. 8)
Fully agreed.
The aim cannot go up and down like that.. It's obviously a file that assists this guy's aim, that's why his spray pattern are weird.. :)
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 14, 2015, 11:31:48 pm
I was talking about his own server  -.-

Main CS screen --> new game  --> de_nuke . ( create LaN server)
shaking ?  I experience the same shaking myself on my screen. shaking comes from the micro movements your hand makes with mouse.


kell what equipment do u have as mouse and pad?
Kuro please it has nothing to do with equipments you know what I'm talking about. :)

His aim shakes and goes up and down like he has some kind of test hook or something when he sprays it's weird, now saying that yours looks similar to his is kinda exaggerating, you only spray when your opponent is close, but @kell_ goes for spray all the time either his opponent is close or way too far, tbh that let me conclude he has something to count on for his aim because it's impossible to get your kills only by spraying like that it's insane, I mean even in aim/fy_maps the opponents are so close and still nobody spray like that now imagine such a big map like DD2? kinda weird. 8)

Thata not insane. If you ever played with really skilled players you know whats possible. I used to play on lan tournaments and on wcg and in mixes with players who stood well against teams like m19, virtus pro. And believe me it was a surprise that you can spray long distance with 8 to even 10 bullets and half a clip as if it was close range. Almost all in the same spot. Was surprising back then as i had already a very good skill. But thats when you improve. But this is just to make a point. Apart from that i do have this shake problem and as i said it seems ms related. I was quite surprised how well my bullets went when i did those long distance sprays as i lost that skill long ago. there was a lag. Which i will get into shortly. And i will prove it. I didnt cheat and quite surprised with all the mistrust.


So i'm home.
Try one in one online server. Short demo: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=85904553998995975307 (http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=85904553998995975307)
as you can see the same shake.

Created my own game no shake: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=11324691632455854753 (http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=11324691632455854753)

I do drag my mouse left and right and vice versa to try to even where bullets go. But as you can see the one Online is different. It lags...

It is MS related.

When i search *.cfg in my steam folder quite a few cfg files show up but there isnt userconfig.cfg only config.cfg or should I look for it somewhere else? Tried userconfig.cfg search the whole disc C and it didnt find it.

My mouse is about 5 years old. G1 and i have a 10 pounds stellseries pad. Not the plastic one... but its not about that. Its the internet connection ... as I said MS is not behaving properly.

anyone here lives near liverpool ? Manchester? You are welcome to come around and have a look. Or should I make a video of myself doing all this? How should it be done? I'll post it to the admin team. @X-KilleR @Kurosaki Ichigo

besides I always try to spray in long distances just to learn mouse movement. (not that i say that there isnt a lag present in my ban demo, which is obvious) Even if there arent players there i just test and see how many bullets can I control. For fun you can say or out of boredom or when I cant concentrate well. etc.... and I also know that when I do one spray of about 10 bullets and then suddenly someone elsee appears there is this cool down time for the precision to come back to normal. So that you can resume shooting at base. If someone shows up after then straight away. You know that sometimes the best thing is to just to shoot again guess where the first bullet will go and drag from there. not from where the crosshair is. Then you just do those micromovements and adjust like I did also here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovdlcEdu1mI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovdlcEdu1mI) ... and sometimes, which used to be quite often, it produces a very similar bounce that no recoil has. this is about 7 years ago. Just a funny shot. Not the best example at all. First of all after the first bullet you stop looking at the spray but try catching the pattern. Then after 3 kills the cool down is too short so I do the spraying. my cousin uploaded this years ago. I dont have any other videos sorry... But you know this all anyway.... Silverquick. And you should also know that MS lags can produce the shake thats in my ban video EASILY.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 15, 2015, 02:15:11 am
It's not about lag mate especially when you have such a nice latency, why would your aim look like that while everybody's aim looks so normal? even those who have a high ping still their aim has recoil and all, but yours shakes too much and no recoil at all @kell_ I've watched the demo so many times I still can't explain or figure out such a weird aim, before starting to record you I thought about lag, but when I see your low and stable ping I say there is no way someone like you could suffer from lag, that's how I see it and my opinion about you, I think you've got some modifications or settings that allows you to aim like that and believe me I've known much people who used such programs as anti spread and all in order to help their aim getting better, however the only difference between is these people always try not to spray much so they wont get caught unlike you getting your all kills by spraying which makes you always suspicious especially when your cross shakes too much and seems no recoil which is the case in that demo.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 15, 2015, 02:26:00 am
It's not about lag mate especially when you have such a nice latency, why would your aim look like that while everybody's aim looks so normal? even those who have a high ping still their aim has recoil and all, but yours shakes too much and no recoil at all @kell_ I've watched the demo so many times I still can't explain or figure out such a weird aim, before starting to record you I thought about lag, but when I see your low and stable ping I say there is no way someone like you could suffer from lag, that's how I see it and my opinion about you, I think you've got some modifications or settings that allows you to aim like that and believe me I've known much people who used such programs as anti spread and all in order to help their aim getting better, however the only difference between is these people always try not to spray much so they wont get caught unlike you getting your all kills by spraying which makes you always suspicious especially when your cross shakes too much and seems no recoil which is the case in that demo.

It is quite simple. Ping does not equal ms. But you know that right? Or am i missing something. There can be a very nice ping but the lag shows up in ms pretty obviously by how it spikes and dissapears etc. Ive noticed it long ago. Even with choke intact. Ms can still spike etc but somewhow often it simply doesnt make any changes in ping. And sometimes it quite the opposite has a big affect on ping. Maybe someone can explain this in other words.

Talking about my mosifications. This is what i have. And all is legal.

As well as there is another thing that makes quite a big change in a skilled players aim. And that is clocking usb to 500hz or 4ms to reduce ms or response time from standard 125hz or 16ms. Speed mouse registers its movement to the pc. Its quite surprising really what this does. ... but this is not a cheat. Just like having an lcd with 16ms response time or 4ms. If ur skilled this makes all the difference in everything you do in the game.

But then again my laptop is lagging in fps and all the other stuff thas going on. And my fps was freezing down to 30fps and jumping up and down.

For instance in a second it changes from 100fps all great to 30fps lags as i start spraying. That my friend also makes a big change on where the bullet go for some reason. Sometimes it goes as if slow motion and somehow you make shots otherwise extremely difficult to do. Totally by chance .... and accompany that with ms spikes .... but you do know this too right? .... as well as resolution change will affect aim and what you can do with it. Thats why a lot of noobs always think everyones cheating. And a lot of noobs actually cheat as they think a lot of things impossible. But ofcourse a lot of it is just repetition and experience.

And then you have 5.1 sound driver and the standard 2.1 ... you can hear twice as much.

I used to go to lan tournaments with my usb out mouse and woukd have converter with it to ps2. Because it made a big difference in how i could control my aim. Talk about modifications....

These are only modifications i have.

I havent cheated.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 15, 2015, 02:35:15 am
It is quite simple. Ping does not equal ms. But you know that right? Or am i missing something. There can be a very nice ping but the lag shows up in ms pretty obviously by how it spikes and dissapears etc. Ive noticed it long ago. Even with choke intact. Ms can still spike etc but somewhow often it simply doesnt make any changes in ping. And sometimes it quite the opposite has a big affect on ping. Maybe someone can explain this in other words.
Well, since you mentioned lag so it has all to do with latency right? how's that possible? I mean having such a nice ping and complaining about lag? but you never complained about it before I didn't see you complaining until now @kell_ those who have lag and high ping especially old players like you in Ambrosia are known, almost all my friends who play with me have a high ping and always complain about it, but their aim it's all about aim now it looks so normal even though.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 15, 2015, 03:06:40 am
It is quite simple. Ping does not equal ms. But you know that right? Or am i missing something. There can be a very nice ping but the lag shows up in ms pretty obviously by how it spikes and dissapears etc. Ive noticed it long ago. Even with choke intact. Ms can still spike etc but somewhow often it simply doesnt make any changes in ping. And sometimes it quite the opposite has a big affect on ping. Maybe someone can explain this in other words.
Well, since you mentioned lag so it has all to do with latency right? how's that possible? I mean having such a nice ping and complaining about lag? but you never complained about it before I didn't see you complaining until now @kell_ those who have lag and high ping especially old players like you in Ambrosia are known, almost all my friends who play with me have a high ping and always complain about it, but their aim it's all about aim now it looks so normal even though.

Yed because i did not notice it at first. As with me something always lags. And i was really ill. Pain in lungs and temperature. But then i saw the demo and was like wtf. Is this how it really was? It looked realy bad. I modified my previous response btw.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 15, 2015, 03:19:05 am
Yed because i did not notice it at first. As with me something always lags. And i was really ill. Pain in lungs and temperature. But then i saw the demo and was like wtf. Is this how it really was? It looked realy bad. I modified my previous response btw.
That's what I'm talking about, maybe you totally ignore how your aim looks, but watching you spraying like that is completely suspicious, now there are tones of scripts and userconfigs that allows the one to aim like that, no need to mention sound and illness mate keep this out, let us focus on your shaking and no recoil looking aim. :)
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 15, 2015, 03:22:14 am
Yed because i did not notice it at first. As with me something always lags. And i was really ill. Pain in lungs and temperature. But then i saw the demo and was like wtf. Is this how it really was? It looked realy bad. I modified my previous response btw.
That's what I'm talking about, maybe you totally ignore how your aim looks, but watching you spraying like that is completely suspicious, now there are tones of scripts and userconfigs that allows the one to aim like that, no need to mention sound and illness mate keep this out, let us focus on your shaking and no recoil looking aim. :)

Trust me i hsve done some insane shots when im ill. Cause i cant concentrate i would just spray the whole clip in those huge distances. Because we are talking here about two things. One is where you interpreted my behaviour and reasons for it and other is where we talk about the lag. So i answer both
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: SilverQuick on October 15, 2015, 03:33:29 am
Trust me i hsve done some insane shots when im ill. Cause i cant concentrate i would just spray the whole clip in those huge distances.
Your spray thing looks no recoil pal, insane shots? I've seen insane shaking spraying on my screen every time you kill your opponents which led me to doubt on your aim movements and made me suspect that something was going on, I did what I had to do even though nobody reported you, now what ever decision comes next about your unban request I leave it to the unban panel members, my demo is way to clear and shows a weird shaky aim which was the reason of your permanent ban.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: X-KilleR on October 15, 2015, 10:21:04 am
all i want to checkfr now, is userconfig file
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: presto on October 15, 2015, 10:24:35 am
all i want to checkfr now, is userconfig file

Can I add that I do not have a userconfig file in my CS, I only have a config.cfg file.

I'm not saying that @kell_ should or shouldn't have one, but it is not something that is present for every player.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: X-KilleR on October 15, 2015, 10:31:39 am
all i want to checkfr now, is userconfig file

Can I add that I do not have a userconfig file in my CS, I only have a config.cfg file.

I'm not saying that @kell_ should or shouldn't have one, but it is not something that is present for every player.

becauseyou are a cheater already  :P
anyway if there is not useronfig, all exec *.cfg will be checked
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 15, 2015, 10:49:32 am
all i want to checkfr now, is userconfig file

What are the contect of this usercofing file? I think @presto  has a point. If he doesnt have it either doesnt seem like its something everyone has. At first i thought it is probably the same config.cfg just named differently. But if you so insist. There must be a difference in its contents? @X-KilleR which files do you need then?
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: X-KilleR on October 15, 2015, 11:18:13 am
all i want to checkfr now, is userconfig file

What are the contect of this usercofing file? I think @presto  has a point. If he doesnt have it either doesnt seem like its something everyone has. At first i thought it is probably the same config.cfg just named differently. But if you so insist. There must be a difference in its contents? @X-KilleR which files do you need then?

see @presto what you have done? good job ,now he has a free excuse 8)
ok post an SS of your cs folder, i will help you  ;)
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: presto on October 15, 2015, 11:32:28 am
Lol @X-KilleR your sense of humour is 100% <3  :D
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Kurosaki Ichigo on October 15, 2015, 12:56:13 pm
Judging from the demos, kell_'s version is quite plausible.
 I'll explain :  you get that spec bug online due to data transfer , and it disappears when you become the server yourself.
Also please take a note guys, that although his aim is shaking while he's aiming we see too much misses against enemy.
I've seen it on many many players, and keep seeing it...
When the player can't hit a truck in front of him what are we talking about ?

About lag and ping :
ping -- it's the time (in ms) needed for a cycle of data exchange with the server , lag -- it can be expressed as choke,packet loss , slowing graphics , bad hitbox registry and temporal overall deterioration of the game .
You have advantage on that level.
Sound specs sound good too .

You must have some file that  contains every  console command your session needs for multiplayer. here's some examples of commands that can be found there  (cl_sidespeed 400 cl_allowdownload "1" cl_allowupload "1" cl_backspeed "400" cl_cmdbackup "2"cl_cmdrate "101"cl_corpsestay "600.000000"cl_crosshair_size "small"  and all the like.)


Off-topic: From kell_ :
Quote
And that is clocking usb to 500hz or 4ms to reduce ms or response time from standard 125hz or 16ms. Speed mouse registers its movement to the pc. Its quite surprising really what this does. ... but this is not a cheat. Just like having an lcd with 16ms response time or 4ms. If ur skilled this makes all the difference in everything you do in the game.
 
I have similar problem with PC respawn to my movements too slow...  This causes me a lot of deaths as my style is close and mid-range battle . Is this some setting or how do you get such performance?


with that everything being said,  I'd like to comment Silverquick for the keen eye, it's also good kell is fighting for it :)
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: silex™ on October 15, 2015, 02:21:13 pm
All you wanted to say is that kell's aim and kills in the demo are justified by the lag or something, i think most of us know tha lag can affect many things including aim and movements, but i dont think what kell was doing is caused by lag, its impossible, when you lag, the guy who is spectating you can see that your aim is suspicious, like crosshair going up, in kell's case its the opposite his recoil was just on the enemy, i didnt see the crosshair going up.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: GandElf The Gay on October 15, 2015, 05:35:13 pm
Your config.cfg file is executing userconfig.cfg so shouldn't it be there?

@presto can you check whether your config.cfg also executes it or not?

By default steam cs does make a userconfig.cfg though it is not necessarily used
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 15, 2015, 08:26:44 pm
Judging from the demos, kell_'s version is quite plausible.
 I'll explain :  you get that spec bug online due to data transfer , and it disappears when you become the server yourself.
Also please take a note guys, that although his aim is shaking while he's aiming we see too much misses against enemy.
I've seen it on many many players, and keep seeing it...
When the player can't hit a truck in front of him what are we talking about ?

About lag and ping :
ping -- it's the time (in ms) needed for a cycle of data exchange with the server , lag -- it can be expressed as choke,packet loss , slowing graphics , bad hitbox registry and temporal overall deterioration of the game .
You have advantage on that level.
Sound specs sound good too .

You must have some file that  contains every  console command your session needs for multiplayer. here's some examples of commands that can be found there  (cl_sidespeed 400 cl_allowdownload "1" cl_allowupload "1" cl_backspeed "400" cl_cmdbackup "2"cl_cmdrate "101"cl_corpsestay "600.000000"cl_crosshair_size "small"  and all the like.)


Off-topic: From kell_ :
Quote
And that is clocking usb to 500hz or 4ms to reduce ms or response time from standard 125hz or 16ms. Speed mouse registers its movement to the pc. Its quite surprising really what this does. ... but this is not a cheat. Just like having an lcd with 16ms response time or 4ms. If ur skilled this makes all the difference in everything you do in the game.
 
I have similar problem with PC respawn to my movements too slow...  This causes me a lot of deaths as my style is close and mid-range battle . Is this some setting or how do you get such performance?


with that everything being said,  I'd like to comment Silverquick for the keen eye, it's also good kell is fighting for it :)

@Kurosaki Ichigo
Just overclock your USB port. And heres the tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_hZipKt72M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_hZipKt72M) .... Also if you are doing this. Go to this page http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html (http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html) and download the first Zip file. It will contain program called mousemovementrecorder and that will show you your current USB clock speed. Also you can fix Windows7 acceleration problem if you haven't done that yet.

@X-KilleR see attachments

Ok lol so i found something. Thanks to @momarms  .... There are two config files in the steamaps folder. One is in CSTRIKE folder the other in VALVE folder. So the valve one: http://www.filedropper.com/config_22 (http://www.filedropper.com/config_22) ... the other I already uploaded before.
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: X-KilleR on October 15, 2015, 08:59:50 pm
i said cs folder not steam !
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 15, 2015, 09:04:27 pm
i said cs folder not steam !

ok
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Kurosaki Ichigo on October 15, 2015, 10:58:58 pm
did you enter the config.cfg file ? it's the 1st in the list :D

Basically I was saying you can have specbug . and this thing disappeared when he made the server himself. also recoil is much lower. but  you have it on online servers .
I've seen tons of this crap and I don't believe it did any good to whoever was "using" it .
I think if he really had no recoil, it would display sometimes in chain of kills as your aim is perfect . but kell_ never goes beyond  3-4 simultanious kills nor has he killed in front of me more than 6 per round. I mean  with that "perfect" specs and aim , not kill 10 or more in a round ,not even once, means the player is clean :D it's not like he doesn't try .
For me , that general analysis of the player is sufficient ....

 @kell_  don't you have bots? it'd be much easier. to determine while you shoot them.

I'm very curious to take a look at that .cfg . also ...
 I'm at a dead end supplying facts.  I'm leaving the matter in autorities hands.

thanks for "listening" and ty kell for the info hope it'll help me get better

Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 15, 2015, 11:24:38 pm
did you enter the config.cfg file ? it's the 1st in the list :D

Basically I was saying you can have specbug . and this thing disappeared when he made the server himself. also recoil is much lower. but  you have it on online servers .
I've seen tons of this crap and I don't believe it did any good to whoever was "using" it .
I think if he really had no recoil, it would display sometimes in chain of kills as your aim is perfect . but kell_ never goes beyond  3-4 simultanious kills nor has he killed in front of me more than 6 per round.
For me , that general analysis of the player is sufficient ....

 @kell_  don't you have bots? it'd be much easier. to determine while you shoot them.

I'm very curious to take a look at that .cfg . also ...
 I'm at a dead end supplying facts.  I'm leaving the matter in autorities hands.

@Kurosaki Ichigo

But I uploaded both of the config.cfg files in here. There are two links. Have a look now....

Ok good idea with bots. So I did two demo files now. Aim map. in the first demo i tried to reproduce shake effect. So first i spray the whole clip without moving a mouse at all. Just let the bullets do whatever. Then second try was with me dragging mouse left right and even very sharp-quick left or right on the moment it jumps dramatically up (actually best is to guess exactly before it jumps). I try to reproduce the same counter-movement to control the bullets. And as you can see, there is a shake effect. I did this with AK and then with m4a1 .... BTW I also shake my mouse left right when I shoot with AK often. Try when you shoot shake (i mean wiggle left right quickly) your mouse quickly in milimeters. depending on your sensitivity. It also helps in control.

But also I am curious how will your aim improve after clocking usb port. And fixing win7 acc.

http://www.filedropper.com/aaim_1 (http://www.filedropper.com/aaim_1) ESPECIALLY CHECK THE 4TH AK SPRAY!!!! I am sorry I never thought about this whole thing ever. But now that its pointed out. And actually paying attention. It is like you can interupt the whole bullet pattern and it then sits in and goes only in one spot. I can't explain exactly how to do it as you can see i tried many times in this video. It's like as if at one moment you disable the chaotic movement. and it locks. Thats what I do often in the server, or at least try. it's like surfing a wave, you either catch it or not. And in time it becomes a skill.... I think I have seen @r4h and @Rawrplus do this too.

Then I played with bots and shot. I don't know, seems a bit too easy to be honest. To spray and aim. Almost forgot how it is on LAN. I don't know what can be there. I honestly would like to find out if there is anything that gives me advantage in form of "cheats" or "scripts" in any of my configs etc. I dont want to play with shit like that. But I havent modified or scripted anything whatsoever. In the game or used any external programs. So what can be there. only the aim assist that's in built in game and that is switched off.

http://www.filedropper.com/bots (http://www.filedropper.com/bots) and a better bot demo http://www.filedropper.com/bot5 (http://www.filedropper.com/bot5)
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: Kurosaki Ichigo on October 16, 2015, 12:23:42 am
the file "aaim" can't be downloaded, you've messed up the upload.
about "bots" demo -- you're being paranoid ,there isn't anything strange for me.

About the .cfg file ,seems the right one, no many commands though. 
the only line in it that could be related to aim is : sv_aim 1 .
Let's see what we can take out of that.

Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: kell_ on October 16, 2015, 12:28:42 am
the file "aaim" can't be downloaded, you've messed up the upload.
about "bots" demo -- you're being paranoid ,there isn't anything strange for me.

About the .cfg file ,seems the right one, no many commands though. 
the only line in it that could be related to aim is : sv_aim 1 .
Let's see what we can take out of that.

http://www.filedropper.com/aaim_1 (http://www.filedropper.com/aaim_1) ... now?! see bots5 ?

Ill change sv_aim 1 to 0 ... that is  abit suspicous lol! 1 should be the aim assist on then.

no when i type in console sv_aim stands 0 ... i have to change  it to 1. And when i do mate, haha its ridiculous. I don't need to do anything. Just press the mouse buttons and headshot after headshot. And when I switch on to 0 its back to how it was. I can produce the same spray effect and all the rest.... also when I change sv_aim to 1 and then go in game options mouse settings, there is now a tick on auto-aim. @Kurosaki Ichigo 
Title: Re: [CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)
Post by: presto on October 16, 2015, 10:20:46 am
sv_aim is an aim assisted setting for Half-Life that has been carried over to the CS config. It has nothing to do with hacking.

Also, I do not have 'exec userconfig' line in my config although I have had my config from the old CS 0.7BETA, when most of you were still in nappies.
Title: [UNBANNED][CS 1.6]Unban Request - kell_ (DD2)[Judge: X]
Post by: X-KilleR on October 16, 2015, 01:00:53 pm
Your case is being reviewed by [X]
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Your aim is very weird indeed, but i don't see any cheats on it. I advise you to look for a fix in internet for your recoil, because it is almost a no recoil, and this kind of cheats are hard to catch, but it is not the case here
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