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Title: [UNBANNED][CS 1.6] Unban Request - Jon (JB) [UNBAN PANEL Nr.221]
Post by: jonigameworld on July 17, 2015, 12:25:46 am
[AMXBans] ===============================================
[AMXBans] Banned by Admin: '#GreeN | JLz
[AMXBans] You can complain about your ban @ www.ambrosia-servers.eu (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu)
[AMXBans] Reason: 'wh cya :)'
[AMXBans] Duration: 'permanently'
[AMXBans] Your SteamID: 'STEAM_0:0:964015168'
[AMXBans] Your IP:
[AMXBans] =======================================

Name: Jon.
SteamID: 'STEAM_0:0:964015168'
Reason: Wallhack
Date & Time: 1-2 Days ago.
Admin: Green#JLz
Server: Ambrosia | Jailbreak
Have you been banned before: Yes
Screenshot URL (Use tinypic.com): Already Provided.

Other:

Banned by green#JLZ.
Reason "wallhacking" even tho i know its not :) the whole time i was playing in JB we were exploring map, and the moment i got banned I was dead. I got clear Screenshot. Everyone should be an admin these days right -.- ?
I probably got banned just because some ppl were having a discusion and I said "I don't shove myself onto "girls" asses unlike some then he got crzy and at on point he said "Im from albania ya know" i replied "I Don't care. You are still Disrespectful". 2 Min later : WH ban :) I am more than happy to see the demo.

SS : http://i.imgur.com/CZ2HmsK.png (http://i.imgur.com/CZ2HmsK.png)
Title: Banned ;)
Post by: Big Bob on July 17, 2015, 12:25:46 am
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Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: jonigameworld on July 17, 2015, 12:40:03 am
http://i.imgur.com/mZuKQff.png (http://i.imgur.com/mZuKQff.png)

still waiting...
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Green. on July 17, 2015, 02:57:04 am
Demos willl be posted tomorrow because its too late and i cant wait like 3 hours to upload them :)
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: jonigameworld on July 17, 2015, 03:22:49 am
If you don't want to post the demos than don't. I'd rather stay banned than deal with all of these nonsense. It's your call. I don't care at this point. Even tho i highly doubt on your "demo".
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: SilverQuick on July 17, 2015, 03:34:08 am
Quote from: jonigameworld on July 17, 2015, 03:22:49 am
If you don't want to post the demos than don't. I'd rather stay banned than deal with all of these nonsense. It's your call. I don't care at this point. Even tho i highly doubt on your "demo".
He's an admin what do you think? it's his duty to post those demos, once posted we'll judge and you can always defend yourself till a decision is taken, good luck with that.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Green. on July 17, 2015, 02:19:25 pm
Here you go :) And enjoy the demos

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/t3a93l1xfagzber/oky.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/t3a93l1xfagzber/oky.avi)

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/de6a8p18qq6iwbi/he.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/de6a8p18qq6iwbi/he.avi)

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/cmy0mx14car6z3r/ook.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/cmy0mx14car6z3r/ook.avi)

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/6yym9o412b2g1cf/oke.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/6yym9o412b2g1cf/oke.avi)

And this is slow motion
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/b8lrz794hrrhf48/yes.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/b8lrz794hrrhf48/yes.avi)
Download them for a better quality
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Al Capon # on July 17, 2015, 04:54:15 pm
Hi everyone i would like to contribute on few points .

First , Jon understand that we are performing our duty as admins pledging justice not the other way . It is not personal but all professional .

In the description of your Unban Appeal you stated that Green was mad because of you having ethics . and thus he said " I'm from Albania you know" in a way that i would describe as "wannabe gangsta style".

But as a witness it didn't happen this way ; He asked you where you were from you replied Greece , he asked you about your financial situation , you replied that it is probably better than his country , Then he replied "I'm from Albania you know" .

For the wallhack , some players already suspected you and told us in chat about you . that's why we spectated you .

Thank you and good luck for your unban appeal . Cheers
(PS : if you do not care about the procedure and the demos "at this point" what's the point of making an unban appeal ?)
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Razzi on July 17, 2015, 04:59:35 pm
Capon, if your referring to me, i was joking.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: BuddyTrollsten on July 17, 2015, 05:12:08 pm
Quote from: Green15 on July 17, 2015, 02:19:25 pm
Here you go :) And enjoy the demos

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/t3a93l1xfagzber/oky.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/t3a93l1xfagzber/oky.avi)

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/de6a8p18qq6iwbi/he.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/de6a8p18qq6iwbi/he.avi)

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/cmy0mx14car6z3r/ook.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/cmy0mx14car6z3r/ook.avi)

http://www.mediafire.com/watch/6yym9o412b2g1cf/oke.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/6yym9o412b2g1cf/oke.avi)

And this is slow motion
http://www.mediafire.com/watch/b8lrz794hrrhf48/yes.avi (http://www.mediafire.com/watch/b8lrz794hrrhf48/yes.avi)
Download them for a better quality
Lol please, upload the demo not this crap please.
It's extremely hard to know if someone is walling when you're looking at it in 11 fps.
Upload the demo,and  give us timestamps instead of these 11 fps videos.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: 'PL' on July 17, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
One question:

Why did green asked the question about the financial crap?

Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: BuddyTrollsten on July 17, 2015, 05:41:45 pm
Quote from: 'PL' on July 17, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
One question:

Why did green asked the question about the financial crap?
Obviously he was trying to provoke him and disrespect his country, cause recently Greece had to pay off a loan which they couldn't cause they didn't have much money.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Al Capon # on July 17, 2015, 05:46:10 pm
The key is to check the Logs . Not to make assumptions .

Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: jonigameworld on July 17, 2015, 06:59:44 pm
First off I didnt say Im from greece, Supertomi said it and  I said "wow we are really clos;). Green : how is your economy ?, and as a joke I said better than yours probably :) *note that i'm from Albania too. As for the demos i'll check them as soon as i get home.

Edited : I did check the demos and real honest I cannot really understand what's going on. Don't get me wrong, i know that this was the game I played against Supertomi*final LR game i think* but from my knowledge and perspective I don't see how you can judge someone from walling in those demos, anyways I'm just gonna let the Panel take it from here.



Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Green. on July 17, 2015, 08:58:07 pm
Quote from: BuddyTrollsten on July 17, 2015, 05:41:45 pm
Quote from: 'PL' on July 17, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
One question:

Why did green asked the question about the financial crap?
Obviously he was trying to provoke him and disrespect his country, cause recently Greece had to pay off a loan which they couldn't cause they didn't have much money.
Well buddy you are the last one who needs to talk about insulting .... Supertomi was behaving really rude with me so why should i be polite with him lol ?
I always have been nice with supertomi ,but yesterday he revealed the true face, they were playing and the time was 7:55 5 sec after opening the cell door and i revived my self,after that supertomi complained for reviving my self.. i always have been reviving peoples when they  asked me then after that , i choosed him to die , the commander typed a question and from then supertomi kept insulting me with razzi saying bullshits like admins are ebola and other things like swearing at me etc..So why should i be nice with him when he is rude with me?
Lol the last demo doesnt mean anything to you guys?
obviously  he was trying to get his head behind wall :) so anyway let the unban panel choose
Thanks
PS:Yea btw check logs and see everything that supertomi and razzi said to me :)
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: jonigameworld on July 17, 2015, 09:28:10 pm
Quote from: Green15 on July 17, 2015, 08:58:07 pm
Quote from: BuddyTrollsten on July 17, 2015, 05:41:45 pm
Quote from: 'PL' on July 17, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
One question:

Why did green asked the question about the financial crap?
Obviously he was trying to provoke him and disrespect his country, cause recently Greece had to pay off a loan which they couldn't cause they didn't have much money.
Well buddy you are the last one who needs to talk about insulting .... Supertomi was behaving really rude with me so why should i be polite with him lol ?
I always have been nice with supertomi ,but yesterday he revealed the true face, they were playing and the time was 7:55 5 sec after opening the cell door and i revived my self,after that supertomi complained for reviving my self.. i always have been reviving peoples when they  asked me then after that , i choosed him to die , the commander typed a question and from then supertomi kept insulting me with razzi saying bullshits like admins are ebola and other things like swearing at me etc..So why should i be nice with him when he is rude with me?
Lol the last demo doesnt mean anything to you guys?
obviously  he was trying to get his head behind wall :) so anyway let the unban panel choose
Thanks
PS:Yea btw check logs and see everything that supertomi and razzi said to me :)

I don't really know much about admin and their 'priorities' but i really think there should be a warn or gag unlike you did and by the way if you think I had wallhack why did you start threaten to ban me only after I said "I don't care where are you from. You are disrespectful", I don't think that's a very "* we are performing our duty as admins pledging justice not the other way . It is notPERSONAL but all professional ."*

Anyway I would be very happy if the unban panel make their decision as soon as they can.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Hajrulla on July 17, 2015, 10:00:06 pm
Guys, this noob is a wallhacker. I already reported him but I don't know where my topic is or if were actions taken on it. Keep this guy banned, please. If I'd record this guy from the beginning he'd be banned but once he told me he is an Albanian I was not recording or anything but his wh was too obvious. Good luck.

http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=32883.msg415485#msg415485 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=32883.msg415485#msg415485)
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Green. on July 17, 2015, 10:12:32 pm
Quote from: jonigameworld on July 17, 2015, 09:28:10 pm
Quote from: Green15 on July 17, 2015, 08:58:07 pm
Quote from: BuddyTrollsten on July 17, 2015, 05:41:45 pm
Quote from: 'PL' on July 17, 2015, 05:34:02 pm
One question:

Why did green asked the question about the financial crap?
Obviously he was trying to provoke him and disrespect his country, cause recently Greece had to pay off a loan which they couldn't cause they didn't have much money.
Well buddy you are the last one who needs to talk about insulting .... Supertomi was behaving really rude with me so why should i be polite with him lol ?
I always have been nice with supertomi ,but yesterday he revealed the true face, they were playing and the time was 7:55 5 sec after opening the cell door and i revived my self,after that supertomi complained for reviving my self.. i always have been reviving peoples when they  asked me then after that , i choosed him to die , the commander typed a question and from then supertomi kept insulting me with razzi saying bullshits like admins are ebola and other things like swearing at me etc..So why should i be nice with him when he is rude with me?
Lol the last demo doesnt mean anything to you guys?
obviously  he was trying to get his head behind wall :) so anyway let the unban panel choose
Thanks
PS:Yea btw check logs and see everything that supertomi and razzi said to me :)

I don't really know much about admin and their 'priorities' but i really think there should be a warn or gag unlike you did and by the way if you think I had wallhack why did you start threaten to ban me only after I said "I don't care where are you from. You are disrespectful", I don't think that's a very "* we are performing our duty as admins pledging justice not the other way . It is notPERSONAL but all professional ."*

Anyway I would be very happy if the unban panel make their decision as soon as they can.
Lol i actually was going to ban you before all this discussion, you can ask Prototype if you want he was there and he was the first one who suspect that you were wallhacking
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: HuniePop on July 17, 2015, 10:30:35 pm
@Green15 , for the sake of our turtle friendship, please upload us pure forms of your demos (they are named as - "hacker.dem", for example). If you can playback it, we all can (mostly Jailbreak players, that also have download all adddons seen in the demo, can).
At least try uploading them at files.fm and PM them to me. I cannot understand anything while watching your avi's.

EDIT - at least you uploaded the slow - motion version, which is a much better watch. There's just one place, where I've seen a possible wallhack - at around 0:12 - 0:17, as supertomi went behind the wall. Of course, that could have been luck as well for Jon to hit the bullet right there, but in the same time - dodgy shot.

But still, green, Not only that your pure forms of demos will not lag for us, but they will also economy your time about trillions of times. Uploading these pure demo's take only few mins.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: supertomi on July 17, 2015, 10:56:00 pm
Its just common sense to know where the enemy is at that place, you just know where he will go and what he will do...
I mostly knew where he will be and i'm pretty sure i shoot him through the wall at least once but eh fu glock, but this doesn't means i wh too...
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Green. on July 17, 2015, 11:06:23 pm
Quote from: Thrashmands on July 17, 2015, 10:30:35 pm
@Green15 , for the sake of our turtle friendship, please upload us pure forms of your demos (they are named as - "hacker.dem", for example). If you can playback it, we all can (mostly Jailbreak players, that also have download all adddons seen in the demo, can).
At least try uploading them at files.fm and PM them to me. I cannot understand anything while watching your avi's.

EDIT - at least you uploaded the slow - motion version, which is a much better watch. There's just one place, where I've seen a possible wallhack - at around 0:12 - 0:17, as supertomi went behind the wall. Of course, that could have been luck as well for Jon to hit the bullet right there, but in the same time - dodgy shot.

But still, green, Not only that your pure forms of demos will not lag for us, but they will also economy your time about trillions of times. Uploading these pure demo's take only few mins.
Okay here you go http://www.mediafire.com/download/bm0z9z5i95838tg/jon.dem (http://www.mediafire.com/download/bm0z9z5i95838tg/jon.dem)
And take a look at Highrullah's demo https://www.mediafire.com/?r7g10j7xpp5tzd7 (https://www.mediafire.com/?r7g10j7xpp5tzd7)
obviously wh :D
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: HuniePop on July 18, 2015, 12:15:01 am
Thank you, Green, billion times better viewing!

Now, about your demo..

It's hard to judge.

1. He wasn't aiming at the rectangle all the time though (could have been an acting attempt), so WH couldn't be THAT. obvious. BUT, he was tracking the directions of supertomi's pre-movements, which was pretty much a lot of pre-aim. Pretty much he was always waiting for supetomi to come out from a wall known to him EVERY SINGLE TIME.
2. The most suspicious part at 0:12 - 0:15, where Joni hit Supertomi right at the rectangle even though Supertomi was behind the wall. Some might consider it as a lucky guess, but I suppose that luck does not usually go THAT far.
3. What also makes Joni guilty is, that normally NO jailbreak players focus THAT much on killing and owning. We usually lose common sense in a fun mod (specially me, as I end up talking about cucumbers and gays :D ) But that loss of the common sense - FOR THE SAKE OF FUN!

Judging Highrulla's demo -
I'm confused.
1. Could have been wh, but I've seen many players in DD2 awp'ing just like that, most of them being considered clean (specially the guys managing to get many kills with a short-space mid shot). Could have been prediction, though, which, I guess, is more likely an excuse to very experienced CS players. Dunno if Joni is the one.

Judging the SS at the moment of ban -
1. Consider wallhack working even when spectating. We've seen his SS of the ban when he was banned for WH in public or d2 back in December 2014. THAT SS shows the kind of a WH, that allows player to see a player model through a wall. You could see that at the double door region.

Now, his recent SS might seem clean. But what if it is only because none of the player models were behind any walls? Or maybe Joni is one of those cheaters who constantly turns wh on or off, for the sake of SS to be clean or whenever he knows that admin is tracking him.

Another proof for the WH -
I had an argument with few ambrosians about Supergeent using wh many months ago. I defended him after watching Ultor's demo's, as I was wrongly judging the recordings of a VERY experienced and VERY respectable both DD2 and JB player (Cheers, Ultor) but at the end of it all supergeent admited, that he wallhacked.
He was using awp during the demo. His kills were very similiar to Joni's (in Highrulla's demo).


I have played CS for many years, but only recently I've become very cautious about deciding whoever had WH and who had not.

My final decision - Sorry, jonigameworld, but in my opinion - YOU ARE GUILTY!

Good luck.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: jonigameworld on July 18, 2015, 12:22:28 am
3. What also makes Joni guilty is, that normally NO jailbreak players focus THAT much on killing and owning. We usually lose common sense in a fun mod (specially me, as I end up talking about cucumbers and gays :D ) But that loss of the common sense - FOR THE SAKE OF FUN!.

Im not a full time JB i used to have my own DD2 and Deathmatch server.

Still, everybody can express so... nice list, i guess.


(Now, his recent SS might seem clean. But what if it is only because none of the player models were behind any walls? Or maybe Joni is one of those cheaters who constantly turns wh on or off, for the sake of SS to be clean or whenever he knows that admin is tracking him.) I had no idea someone was tracking me i got banned nextmap, and I was dead the whole round because i accidentaly pressed M so there's that.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Hajrulla on July 18, 2015, 02:02:36 am
Awping in dd2? There is a lot of difference with dd2 and inferno.

First of all, he acts stupid and keeps checking everyplace, that is a reason that he is wallhacking. Then while he moves towards the bombsite, climbing by the stairs he aims at the middle of packets with his deagle but doesn't want to make it obvious so he goes all around and decides to take the guy out with his deagle.

Second, funny how he keeps zoming with awp everytime a CT spawns up, then after he kills them and his HP gets lower he decides to camp on the packets where he killed the last guy. It was obvious that he saw the last ct through his wallhack and didn't want to get killed or lose his awp so he decides just to wait there. So, I transfer myself CT and I decide to "zoom out" because I don't have esp just to show you that there is a guy over there, no sound or anything he just waits for him but he doesn't come out so other T take him out.

Third, my bad that I didn't record more just because he is same nationality as me. And he is completely ignoring me in this case so this is why he is wallhacking. I don't know how to explain anymore, you decide.

Thank you!

P.S : JONI JUST GET OVER IT BRUUUUUH, u got busted.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: GandElf The Gay on July 18, 2015, 04:42:38 am
Quote from: Green15 on July 17, 2015, 08:58:07 pm
Well buddy you are the last one who needs to talk about insulting .... Supertomi was behaving really rude with me so why should i be polite with him lol ?
I always have been nice with supertomi ,but yesterday he revealed the true face, they were playing and the time was 7:55 5 sec after opening the cell door and i revived my self,after that supertomi complained for reviving my self.. i always have been reviving peoples when they  asked me then after that , i choosed him to die , the commander typed a question and from then supertomi kept insulting me with razzi saying bullshits like admins are ebola and other things like swearing at me etc..So why should i be nice with him when he is rude with me?
Lol the last demo doesnt mean anything to you guys?
obviously  he was trying to get his head behind wall :) so anyway let the unban panel choose
Thanks
PS:Yea btw check logs and see everything that supertomi and razzi said to me :)

The reason you shouldn't be rude is that you are an admin. If you depict such behavior what are you going to expect from others
Being an admin you should be tactful and have a different approach for solving it
Any random prisoner is impolite to you and you start swearing at him too; gg then, just gg

Thanks for uploading the original file, will watch it now
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Razzi on July 18, 2015, 01:15:46 pm
In my POV.. Maybe he might of cheated but:

That JB demo was kind of an aim_map situation / scenario since you have to keep moving and keep track. You'll have to pre a lot and predict the opponent.
Now, perhaps he ain't a full on JB player. Lets not assume that so quickly since everyone isn't the same, i am not a 100% JB player when it comes to shooting, i use my previous skills that i learnt. He might of not taken it less serious but tried to kill supertomi. What is really typical is you all depend on ESP, if the esp is showing that hes aiming correctly, oh damn hes Wallhack.

However, who knows i might be wrong.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Ultor on July 18, 2015, 03:08:04 pm
Here is another demo: https://www.mediafire.com/?72hr9f5v56cmd11 (https://www.mediafire.com/?72hr9f5v56cmd11)

On the demo, you can see how he keeps his aim on the CT.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: X-KilleR on July 18, 2015, 06:52:44 pm
fill the correct form or this will be denied
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: jonigameworld on July 18, 2015, 07:41:46 pm
Quote from: X-KilleR on July 18, 2015, 06:52:44 pm
fill the correct form or this will be denied

@X-KilleR , edited the original post.
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: X-KilleR on July 19, 2015, 04:16:55 pm
green please upload the demo in *.dem extension, and upload only most important, cuz only the first has 176 mb !!! sorry but who will watch a demo of 175 mb? you forget to add director executive Green at the end ,and ambrosia Pictures at the start !
Title: Re: Banned ;)
Post by: Hajrulla on July 20, 2015, 04:48:13 pm
X-Killer, I guess my demo and Chaka's demo provides more than enough information...
Title: [CS 1.6] Unban Request - Jon (JB) [UNBAN PANEL Nr.221]
Post by: X-KilleR on July 21, 2015, 12:51:41 pm
Quote from: Highrullah on July 20, 2015, 04:48:13 pm
X-Killer, I guess my demo and Chaka's demo provides more than enough information...

i know, already checked

Your appeal is being reviewed
by
Ambrosia Unban Panel
Your case number is: [221]
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Title: [UNBANNED][CS 1.6] Unban Request - Jon (JB) [UNBAN PANEL Nr.221]
Post by: X-KilleR on July 25, 2015, 02:01:54 pm
SS clean
Demo clean, no direct evidence of wh

UNBANNED