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Title: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 19, 2015, 03:55:17 pm
Well, I am a big runescape private server fan. I play loads of private servers. I have realised these make a lot of money from donators, I would like to recommend Ambrosia a runescape private server. You can add a webclient onto the forums and make a downloadable version, I can find people willing to help code and so on.

I know this may sound stupid, from Steam games to Runescape, but I think it would bring good money to Ambrosia, and double the traffic.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Raven E II R on June 19, 2015, 04:17:33 pm
People actually play on them?

Why wouldn't they use the official Jagex ones?
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 19, 2015, 04:18:57 pm
Were actually talkin with CoiN on steam bout this ;o

Spoiler (hover to show)


I myself in my previous years, tried to manage a server myself with an bud - I know the basics of managing one But no clue how to code
Aware how to set-up with a Source [ I'd prefer 718 ( AKA Pre-EoC ) & Mostly to get it started ( Know how to edit shops, Names & ETC, Simple things. )
Tho you'd probaly have to get a coder if yer needin sum advanced crap & Coin himself says he've got some experience too.

Something totally diffrent than Counter-strike, But hey - Theres thought of a minecraft server
Why not runescape private server?

[ RSPS's Are ILLEGAL to host under any circomstances & May be sued by Jagex if found & Made popular enough & forced to close .. ETC - Some Rsps have managed to avoid this by findin loopholes And payin the fine? When caught ]

EDIT to Raven: Rsps are Easyer Runescape gameplay, x2 - x10 Exp Earned, Free membership, Easyer to obtain Skills & etc - Basicly an easyer Runescape version in general
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 19, 2015, 04:23:33 pm
Raven,


In real Runescape, money, xp, drops and all sorts are hard to get. I personally have spent over $500 on runescape private servers and currently playing on a new on which received over 2k donations.

I personally think making a server for Runescape will bring alot of new traffic and money to ambrosia. and make it better.



You will not get in trouble as long as you change couple names and so on for copyright reasons.
I have many places to find coders and managers, even I have experience.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 19, 2015, 04:25:31 pm
At the momment, the Rsps community is quite dead, Due to the fact that all the big servers these days take most of em

But with the right advertisement & Management of the server ( Ofcourse Up-time too ) We'd be able to haul a few people
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: BuddyTrollsten on June 19, 2015, 04:50:05 pm
Seems like a good idea , I myself use to play on an RSPS.
They're fun to play because it's just easier everything.
I use to play one where it was just "`" key and give itemcode and you would get the item, or you can just play normal if you wanted to.
I forgot what it's called now though.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Raven E II R on June 19, 2015, 06:26:10 pm
Raven,


In real Runescape, money, xp, drops and all sorts are hard to get. I personally have spent over $500 on runescape private servers and currently playing on a new on which received over 2k donations.

I personally think making a server for Runescape will bring alot of new traffic and money to ambrosia. and make it better.



You will not get in trouble as long as you change couple names and so on for copyright reasons.
I have many places to find coders and managers, even I have experience.

Isn't that the whole point of achievement of the game? If it's easy to get I would surely get bored of it pretty quick. When I played getting a 99 wasn't all that hard or xp simply dedication and time but rewarding in the end. The game is meant to be played where it should be and that's runescape.com...

How does it work? Where do you get the files needed? And the question of LEGALITY makes me wonder..
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 19, 2015, 06:54:45 pm
It is NOT Legal

Files are easy to come by, Often people publish their sources around the webs

Runescape is quite hard & alot of people doesnt reach the levels required to boss, Or do simple things like that
People turn to RSPS To learn how to boss, To see high level monsters.. Mainly to play an Easier Runescape

Rsps Is runescape, Just easier
Can't be told in any other way

& how does what work?
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Koray on June 19, 2015, 07:28:46 pm
I'd play the heck out of that server, level 3 skilling all the way !
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on June 19, 2015, 07:54:46 pm
well,

since i have over a 5 year journey trhu diffrent rspses i saw many getting closed etc...

having an rsps is illegal.. jagex has one of the most protected gamefiles in the world... every sprite... if jagex finds a webclient on our forums... or even a link to a webclient this forums will be suspended....

would you risk the whole ambrosian history to maybe get 2k??? ehrmmm rethink this :) @Raven E II R
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 19, 2015, 08:10:28 pm
Raven,


Ill explain it to you on steam. Depending on the type of server you want you can find it online.
For example; PKing server would be different from a normal everything based server. You can find files on many websites. Coders can be found on rsps websites people are willing to code for ranks (like admin).


And runescape is now dead for people like me. With too many new updates i dont enjoy it as much. Rsps usually uses oldschool.

And like Koray and be on the server 24/7...
Id prob donate loads.



No rsps is not illegal. Soulsplit (closed number 1 rsps) is closed now because Runescape Jagex forces them too.
You can make custom quests to make it less copy like.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on June 19, 2015, 08:19:08 pm
it is :) go read the policy of jagex :)
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 19, 2015, 08:28:14 pm
it is :) go read the policy of jagex :)

So you are not allowed to make a game called "Counter Guns" with Ak47 and m4a1 and other guns? Because there is "Counter strike"
If Jagex wanted they would close most of the RSPS its not hard to find is it?
As long as your name / logo is different and a few other little things are different then you are fine.

Also

@Raven E II R

http://www.runelocus.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?61-RSPS-Downloads (http://www.runelocus.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?61-RSPS-Downloads)
You can download source + clients here, you pick a source which you like and suitable with low glitches and bugs, its like impossible to find a server without glitches thats why you need a coder to prevent them.
Once you picked one you just download it and host it and code what ever you want different.
You can find many coders http://www.rswebclients.com/forums/ (http://www.rswebclients.com/forums/) as long as they get a rank and they dont pay, im sure 90% of them would be up for it. When I had my own private server I found a partner here.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on June 19, 2015, 10:16:18 pm
i remember back in time i helped making insidiax v1.2   oooh good old times <3
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 01:40:22 am
Btw just wanted to say, for the first 2/3 months I am willing to pay 80% of all costs including server and any forum costs.

After this time you should get traffic anyway if you do me a rsps.

(For the rsps)
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: D00M on June 20, 2015, 03:44:06 am
Rsps is a short from runescape private server, Runescape private server are illegal copies which uses Jagex copyrighted shit, but it is unlikely to be noticed by jagex as there are so many.

Also I could help with the server if needed as I do have previous experience with rsps' and rsps are coded with java and I have little bit experience with Java.

The downsides are that the servers vps would cost more than normally as it is required to buy DDoS protected vps as people will just for fun of it send packets to your server.

And it is true that rsps make alot of money for stuff, like donator, extreme donator, points etc.

P.S Whatever name & logo you use it is illegal to make rsps as they're using the files of Jagex and pictures with-in it.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 06:20:41 am
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Jagex's ToS
Intellectual property rights

You must not reverse-engineer, decompile or modify any Jagex Product client software in any way (except to the extent allowed by applicable law). You must not use a modified/customised version of the client software or attempt to sub-license it. You must not create or provide any other means by which any Jagex Product may be played by others (including, without limitation, replacement or modified client/server software, server emulators).
IT IS ILLEGAL

Now that we all know its Illegal, Drop the discussion on if its Legal or not, I've got my fair share of rsps experience & Is aware of this

Jagex does not have the power to shut down community hosted websites tho, Only the server.
But, They can sue the creator of the Rsps ( I belive )
But as d00m said, Its hard for jagex too come by an "new" rsps, They've stopped worrin bout Ikov & Soul split it seems like
So if we were to create an server, It'd only take thus far ( months ) Before any " Big " ones would even care to take action - So it'd be fine to set one up
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on June 20, 2015, 09:50:26 am
i would recommend pkscape source or insidiax... not to much rares etc wich is nice and kinda vanilla...
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 10:04:12 am
Ima talk about it, Like i'd be the one owning it [ My perfect server ]

Custom rares might be added in for donators, but sell-able to players

All Nex armours will be In-game, Drygores & Dungeoneering armours will be ingame
The eco will sit tight, Drops will take some time to come by, But not impossible & Taking days of grindin like in runescape
all safespots will be blocked & construction and herblore will be Expensive.
So the eco will sit tight

Usually on private servers, 99 herblore or 120 will be around 200m
I'd plan to set it to atleast 1 Bill ( 1000m )
And same for construction.
This will keep the rarety of the skills, Presumably
Donators will not be able to donate for In-game GP
All Gp in-game will come from Thieving, Money drops, Selling items to General stores & Such.
There will be two double exp weekends a month, & Intentions to make level 120 [ 104,325,843 EXP ( 104m ) ] A hard achievement. Exp rates will be normal, Easyer than RS harder than regular rsps.

Rsps also itself is a community set server, There isnt much of a community on Runescape so people choose to turn to Rsps.

Alot more would change, My way. But who knows!
Maybe we'll get an rsps & an person who owns it whom have intentions to just mess it up c: xD
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on June 20, 2015, 10:50:15 am
just keep it a vanilla 317 pking server...
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: header on June 20, 2015, 11:14:16 am
The idea of a private server is that you can have your own limits on the game and add it's own type of uniqueness. However Private servers take a LONG time to set up, with things like soulsplit taking 6+ months just to finish the old free to play area. It's a risk to even make one and i agree in certain circumstances it can make money.

I'd recommend not to go with it, i'm a runescape fan but i can't say it'd work.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 11:14:39 am
Ugh no! not 317
718!
Pre Eoc, Dont want no ugly oldschool crap
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on June 20, 2015, 11:46:41 am
That's what players like nowadays 317... because rs went downhill after 474.......
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 11:53:00 am
Guys has raven said that were opening a rsps?

Why are you deciding which source it will be lol instead persuading him...
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 11:58:43 am
Raven is homosexual, And us homosexuals connect through Vibes
So trust me, There will be a rsps so we're just discussion whats best :3

Rsps went down after EoC came up, 718 is Pre-EoC
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Koray on June 20, 2015, 12:22:45 pm
317 pls.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 12:37:59 pm
Ok so if we do discuss rsps,

Even though most are pking,
We should do a 317 like Koray has said which is a mixture basically, people like me like to skill and pk.


Also CLIENTS are illegal but the SERVER is not. Please read carefully and post,
making a WEBCLIENT is not illegal.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 01:44:41 pm
Gameplay from 317 - 718 will be the exact same in the two versions, Combat the same items the same
Its all Graphical Overhaul, Additional items & bosses
Stance overhaul & ETC.
317/314 Is shitty lookin With the same gameplay a 718 offers.
rs-ps 317's are shit.


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Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 02:01:48 pm
718 is shit,

the best runescape private servers use old school, thats the whole point of a rsps, Oldschool easy making.

718 is just EXACTLY like runescape which why people dont play them and why people quit runescape.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 02:08:02 pm
Actually
Just did some googlin & found out that.. To get an " Legal " Rsps server
You just outta be aware of the followin

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1) Don't claim anything to be yours. Make a TOS.
2) Don't use a webclient.
3) Don't replicate the Runescape website for your forums.
4) Don't host the download link for your client on your forums, host it on a file hosting website.

That pretty much covers everything client side. Server side.. apart from using the same login protocol (unless I'm mistaken), Jagex have copyrights on nothing else on the server.

& CoiN, You havent played Runescape these days if you say that lol
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: D00M on June 20, 2015, 02:17:43 pm
i would recommend pkscape source or insidiax... not to much rares etc wich is nice and kinda vanilla...
u stupiid.. you just suggested one of the most shittiest sources available and just keep doing so, if you actually don't know anything about rsps please stop trying to sound like an expert of rsps.

haven't checked the source of this http://www.rune-server.org/runescape-development/rs-503-client-server/downloads/588819-interventionx-718-742-release.html (http://www.rune-server.org/runescape-development/rs-503-client-server/downloads/588819-interventionx-718-742-release.html)

but it seems pretty good if the topic speaks the truth. In other hand if this is not what you guys would not want there's always Xenorune
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 02:26:55 pm
The source you suggested if an fiine source.

I've played on the server that had the source before they shut down & Published it, Its a fine polished server, As far as i know - Theres really not many bugs on it.
and 718 Is way better than ugly nasty lookin 317
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 02:33:21 pm
Guys I think we should wait for Raven instead spamming the topic ...
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Gandalf The Stinky on June 20, 2015, 03:40:37 pm
@D00M learn what fucking respect is... you think you are a smartass? well you are not... you are some dumbfuck with a horrible attitude towards everyone...
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 03:46:52 pm
i would recommend pkscape source or insidiax... not to much rares etc wich is nice and kinda vanilla...
u stupiid.. you just suggested one of the most shittiest sources available and just keep doing so, if you actually don't know anything about rsps please stop trying to sound like an expert of rsps.

haven't checked the source of this http://www.rune-server.org/runescape-development/rs-503-client-server/downloads/588819-interventionx-718-742-release.html (http://www.rune-server.org/runescape-development/rs-503-client-server/downloads/588819-interventionx-718-742-release.html)

but it seems pretty good if the topic speaks the truth. In other hand if this is not what you guys would not want there's always Xenorune

d00m you need to chill out, that is not one of the shittiest sources it is a decent source and one of the most famous sources around. No one is trying to sound like an expert  of rsps and you really cant be an expert its just some simple knowledge ...
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Pim on June 20, 2015, 03:49:56 pm
Actually
Just did some googlin & found out that.. To get an " Legal " Rsps server
You just outta be aware of the followin

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1) Don't claim anything to be yours. Make a TOS.
2) Don't use a webclient.
3) Don't replicate the Runescape website for your forums.
4) Don't host the download link for your client on your forums, host it on a file hosting website.

That pretty much covers everything client side. Server side.. apart from using the same login protocol (unless I'm mistaken), Jagex have copyrights on nothing else on the server.

& CoiN, You havent played Runescape these days if you say that lol


where is that information from? just a random forum?
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 04:33:58 pm
Ive started RUNESCAPE at 2005 and started rsps at 2009.


Now please just stop and wait for a reply from Raven?
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Jake on June 20, 2015, 06:24:35 pm
Actually
Just did some googlin & found out that.. To get an " Legal " Rsps server
You just outta be aware of the followin

Code: [Select]
1) Don't claim anything to be yours. Make a TOS.
2) Don't use a webclient.
3) Don't replicate the Runescape website for your forums.
4) Don't host the download link for your client on your forums, host it on a file hosting website.

That pretty much covers everything client side. Server side.. apart from using the same login protocol (unless I'm mistaken), Jagex have copyrights on nothing else on the server.

& CoiN, You havent played Runescape these days if you say that lol


where is that information from? just a random forum?

Source:
http://www.rune-server.org/runescape-development/rs2-server/help/166922-rsps-illegal.html (http://www.rune-server.org/runescape-development/rs2-server/help/166922-rsps-illegal.html)
Then i scrolled further down, Seeing a community veteran sayin its not legal.

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Most of you guys in here are wrong.

Believe it or not, but the majority of servers are illegal.

You are using Jagex's Stream and Cryption classes.

There's also a belief that a TOS can save you. No, it can't. It's like murdering someone, placing them on your lawn, and then placing a sign that states 'Police officers are not allowed on this premise

So, there's really only one way around the illegality,and that is rewriting the RS client not to use anything of Jagex's. Although, if you can do this, you're better off going and making your own game.

And now, to answer your other question. Why do they care.

Well, think about this. You spend years learning how to efficiently program in Java, and you make a great game.
Now, here comes a bunch of kids, who don't bother to learn how to program properly, and they steal your game, and host it.
Not only do you lose revenue, but you also know that these kids could also be profiting off of your hard work.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: CoiNNN on June 20, 2015, 06:38:49 pm
Just let flipping the owners find out if it is or not...

You guys are arguing over a stupid thing. I made a suggestion you just support or no support it.

I repeat my self, before pointing out these stuff let an owner comment.
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: Rubix on June 20, 2015, 07:14:23 pm
Just wait till an Emperor has something to add to this although I find it highly unlikely that this will be passed due to it's questionable legality. 
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: P o p a y on June 26, 2015, 12:30:46 am
@Raven E II R  @Rawrplus  final result?
Title: Re: Runescape Suggestion
Post by: P o p a y on July 13, 2015, 01:33:18 am
According to the UCs opinions about this suggestion + Legality not on high level (clients):

Suggestion Rejected.