Ambrosia Community
Recruitment & Justice => Staff Complaints & Misconduct => Resolved Staff Complaints => Topic started by: AAA on February 13, 2015, 09:06:47 am
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Admin:popay
Server:forums
Date & Time:dunno if it was always like this or not
Complaint:locking topics, only wants people to hear his opinion and then locks topic
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...): http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30958.msg391455#new (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30958.msg391455#new)
http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30946.msg391647;topicseen#msg391647 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30946.msg391647;topicseen#msg391647)
ffs stop locking all those topics and let people have discussions with eachother?
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He made a topic showing JB can be fun, to all those who said it's not fun and it's dead, why do other bother trying to prove the other thing, while the topic wasn't ment for a discussion? It was ment to collect new screenshots of JB. Some people just feel like "being a smartt ass" "Knowing everything better". - Which is annoying.
Every single freaking topic turns into a "fight" lets call it like that, why does everyone have to try to take somone down, instead of just ignoring and leaving it the way it is? "WHY" is drama so important to you ezio? ;) it's retarded and useless. Id prefere from now on just locking topics after 5 replies, as after 5 -the first freaks have to give their tryhard opinion - their smartass opinion and more.
It's just sad we cant have one topic where there is a server involved and it wont cause people to start fighting... Seriously, grow up guys. (Im not saying this was the reason of locking, I didnt notice a "Fight" or something, but as you could see, if we'd leave it open for 3 more days, there will be at least 1 forum banned, 2 muted 3 moderated for insulting each other - Like it keeps happening to other topics.
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Look at the bright side man, popay lock those kind of topics for the reason of avoiding fights and nonsense replies, such topics shouldnt have existed in the first place.
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show me where people are fighting? is it too hard to have discussions with eachother...
Fisu all you want to read is people asslicking the staff and agreeing with you guys, but thats not possible since everyone has his own opinion.
no wonder why the forum is dead, wtf can people post if everything is locked before you can even reply
Asslicking over a topic made of a screenshot showing that JB can be fun? That must be a really weird asslicking. I would fully support a Board called "Random Discussion" there I would also take part and fully spam it with opinons towards anything. But THATS NOT THE POINT of the TOPICS MADE for specific servers. Doing that on specific topics, will loose the main reason of doing such topics, this caused 3 topics t obe trashed, while they could of stayed.
Shall I give you an example: "Since when is building a tower funny?" - He looks at the topic, he sees players doing it having fun. Alright he might not find it funny, do we care? Does anyone care? Like why would he bother posting, instead of "MABY doing something fun" and then posting and saying, this also is funny for me. This wouldent turn into a fight, but simply in a nice topic.
The Only thing happening is: "Members feeling good giving opinions, saying whats wrong, counting what's stupid, whats shit whats annoying. I havent noticed one - trying TO DO it better. "For Example: I dont like a map on csgo 1on1. I don't say to pim, dude that map is shit, crap and useless. I tell him: Pim that map is not good, instead of that, let's add this one. Always with suggestions how to make it better, not some crazy suggestions which wouldent be considerd anyway.
^ this went a bit offtopic but its the sadly truth.
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To be honest, he's doing the right thing.
Topics wich are ment to be DISCUSSIONS only are turning into a fight and he tries to avoid those things by giving his final conclusion and locking it afterwards. These last months before you came back it was a big fighting mess with people 'giving' their opinion wich came out as fight.
Good job popay on doing his job right.
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JB post is not about Popay personally. It's about the server.
As well, he's doing the right thing by locking those topics, where it's just pure senseles spam arguing, and it would never reach a coinsidence. You can discuss your problems with each other in chat bar or in game, steam or skype, anywhere, but not forums. Forums are meant for mature discussions, not childish argues.
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I don't really mind what Popay does on the forums but what really grinds me gears is the fact the words he choose. All of them are the same on almost all the posts. To be specific, posts such as, "Haters gonna hate", "I have no time for haters", "Too busy loving those that love me". Come on man. You're a bloody Forum Moderator! Also, I've recently noticed another post,
Why on Earth Every single time someone has to kill the positive Vibe?
Don't even bother replying to me, as I will not be seeing this topic anymore.
Ps.. Good pictures :) Memories never fade..
What are you on about in here? Replica and Sami are having a well mannered conversation and you're posting as if they're breaking rules..
Why on Earth Every single time someone has to kill the positive Vibe?
You completely make no sense in here..
Don't even bother replying to me, as I will not be seeing this topic anymore.
What an attitude is this?
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Popay is doing the right thing to avoid fights and whining. Wanna discuss something like this? Pm, steam, ts3 just don't blame popay for doing a good job.
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Some topics shouldn't be locked. Some topics should of never been made. Most topics just need a mutual warning as to say to stay on topic rather than spam with some other stuff.
Anyhow, oppressing our speech while we are not breaking the forum rules is somewhat a no go, but that is not Popay's fault.
Although I agree with fragment on this one, didn't think I'd do that in 100years lol. Popay, whats with the "haters" constantly?
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I don't mind Popay's job eventhough I got angry at him once and we argued, some topics need to be locked to stop fights and same words over and over again. However, I think he is just a little harsh sometimes either by words or by actions, not saying I'm not don't misunderstand me, but we aint talking about me now. Anyway, as I said, he mostly ends things that need to be ended.
Regards.
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Popay is doing good
if he didnt lock some topics,half of members should be warned for posting off-topic, or in bad manners, or repeating the same words, or more reasons....
and maybe he doesnt choose the best words for a FM, but he types what mostly of members think
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Well let's say, rather locking it before it turns into a fight, instead of waiting for it to happen.
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There a different ways to avoid fights. Locking just pisses people off and you get a rather negative "vibe" than any good one.
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There a different ways to avoid fights. Locking just pisses people off and you get a rather negative "vibe" than any good one.
You can't please everybody.
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Never said you should try to please everyone, it is impossible and even if you try, you'll miserably will fail, as it will go into loop.
But again as I said this ain't Popay's fault.
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Even then, we are all adults and if u cant behave then there is a nice system called warning system to use. If people then still dont understand it then its gonna be moderation to prevent him to post provactive replies that create discussions.
Locking topics constantly just creates frustration and frustration creates more drama then necessary.
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Lock this topic.
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You can't please everybody.
Since i have seen this sentence pretty often , let me state something:
That sentence is valid only when the majority is pleased & there is a minor number of those who aren't. Not the opposite ;) (Talking in general)
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You can't please everybody.
Since i have seen this sentence pretty often , let me state something:
That sentence is valid only when the majority is pleased & there is a minor number of those who aren't. Not the opposite ;) (Talking in general)
People are obviously not going to be pleased when you lock away access to a discussion they want to be having, but sometimes it is indeed necessary.
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You can't please everybody.
Since i have seen this sentence pretty often , let me state something:
That sentence is valid only when the majority is pleased & there is a minor number of those who aren't. Not the opposite ;) (Talking in general)
People are obviously not going to be pleased when you lock away access to a discussion they want to be having, but sometimes it is indeed necessary.
Indeed sometimes, but it happens quite frequently lately.
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Everytime I lock a topic I give a reason for it, so everyone is aware of it. So let's start:
1. http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30958.msg391455#new (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30958.msg391455#new)
- If you have read carefully you would have seen this: We all shared our "feedback" enough is enough. I request everyone with Moderation rights not to comment/reply any further.
Let me elaborate for you: I haven't replied a single word over there as I wanted most of the guys to share their opinion, and after that everyone started to go off topic and just chat around who is stronger on internet. If I didn't lock that topic it would be chaos until now. However I gave you enough time to share your opinion, not my fault if you have connected to the forum late. And In that topic I am not talking about members only but I said: I request everyone with Moderation rights not to comment/reply any further. But I guess you only read the parts that you want.
2. http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30946.msg391647;topicseen#msg391647 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=30946.msg391647;topicseen#msg391647)
- First of all I made this topic, and to be honest it is all my right to lock it when I want it, because I created it. Simple as that. However I will elaborate it for you: If you think I have locked this topic because some people said Popay it's not awesome, I didn't. It was open, as you can see on the first page there are a lot of negatives, but after that people started arguing between themselves, go to there and read all thing. Another topic turning into regular arguing. But hey, you only see me locking the topic, you don't see me warning people.
Who cares about good things when you can care about bad things, right? NO if you ask me, not right.
3. People who say that I didn't use the right words and why I use the words Haters:
-To be honest I have never seen so much hate done to people who just want to have little fun and nothing else. This week over 3 topics got hate and their only point was to have a bit fun. So why should I be Indirect in order to be harsh when I can be direct harsh ? But now you don't like it right ?
Conclusion fellas about this one: If you don't want people to be strict and harsh towards you, you shouldn't be strict and harsh towards them.. Simple.
Just for the recorder:
- For those topics that you "reported" me, if I didn't lock them, the outcome would have been: 1 mute, 3 moderated and over 10 warned. So I prefer to deal with one report for doing my job and preventing people from getting frustrated, rather than with dealing with 13 reports for doing my job Late.
Thank you for your report, High staff will come with an outcome shortly,
Popay (Forum Moderator)
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Conclusion fellas about this one: If you don't want people to be strict and harsh towards you, you shouldn't be strict and harsh towards them.. Simple.
Well said man..
About the topics he locked i saw them and he did the right thing.. If you go see the posts i bet you would do the same thing. And as Popay said he told everyone to stop posting and no gave a **** so yeah well done Popay.
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And .. Here we go again, pointless shit , exactly , shit. Topic should be locked. Nothing to see here .
About what Konvict said , 10/10 , greatest post I've seen in a while.
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You can't please everybody.
Since i have seen this sentence pretty often , let me state something:
That sentence is valid only when the majority is pleased & there is a minor number of those who aren't. Not the opposite ;) (Talking in general)
People are obviously not going to be pleased when you lock away access to a discussion they want to be having, but sometimes it is indeed necessary.
Indeed sometimes, but it happens quite frequently lately.
Yeah but i doubt that those people are unpleased because of the topic lock. They are not pleased because of the reasons that led the topic to be created.
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The last people to be frustrated is popay. Looking the past few months, most topics bring sadness and regret, not to mention as he puts it "negative" vibe. Popay should be that last human being in ambrosia you to be mad in, If you had fm like before some years, oh boy would you have gotten so mad about them warning you and crying to your hstaff friends to remove them.
Just let the guy breathe, he just wants to lower the rate of chance that a fight will occur in a topic, how mannerable or polite the arguing is.
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only thing I would complain about is;
hi guys this topic is getting locked, lemme post MY opinion tho and make sure noone can reply to it
k
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i dont see whats wrong with locking a topic you started ::)
popays doing a good job ;D
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Locking topics open to discussion is frustrating. Not just Popay but many people do this. At least Popay has good intentions.
This doesn't belong here; a report of Popay but more of a open-to-discussion generalised topic under "Ambrosia General".
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The thing is that even if these topics might have been locked for an unreasonable reason, that doesn't mean that they had a reason to be created.
If I was at Popay's position I would have trashed the topic "A reflection about the recent events" a while ago and I would have locked the topic "For all "loyal" members who say JB is Boring and No FUN!".
The topic "A reflection about the recent events" was a source of drama and we all expected that a lot of negative things would be posted so that topic should have been trashed when it was created because a lot of similar topics have been created in the past and there was no reason to create once again the same topic and to start useless discussions again.
The topic regarding Jailbreak had actually a reason to be since its creator wanted to prove that Jailbreak was still an enjoyable place but some people (including me) felt the need to state their opinions but things were going a little bit off-topic so the topic had to be locked and anyway it's actually its creator's choice either to lock it or not.
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there was no reason to create once again the same topic and to start useless discussions again.
Those discussions aren't useless... They are very useful if you know how to take them on board. Although some people post unnecessary things, that doesn't change the fact that you can only correct your mistakes if someone tells you them (if you don't spot them yourself) :).
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there was no reason to create once again the same topic and to start useless discussions again.
Those discussions aren't useless... They are very useful if you know how to take them on board. Although some people post unnecessary things, that doesn't change the fact that you can only correct your mistakes if someone tells you them (if you don't spot them yourself) :).
I mean people discuss about other things in these topics instead of focusing on the main idea of the topic so fights start and that's why I actually said that it was a source of drama because people feel the need to state their opinion in such topics that is sometimes a bit off-topic and that's why the topic had to be locked.
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there was no reason to create once again the same topic and to start useless discussions again.
Those discussions aren't useless... They are very useful if you know how to take them on board. Although some people post unnecessary things, that doesn't change the fact that you can only correct your mistakes if someone tells you them (if you don't spot them yourself) :).
Check the topic, you can find 1 useful post every 10 posts.
It ain't worth it to find that amount of negativity on forums for that 1 post.
Those topics aren't needed. And this report should be solved soon and there's a lot of topic that you can post in to "help" the community grow in case you really care about it.
If you're a member, you should consider suggesting the stuff that you find useful.
If you're a highstaff lower than emperor, you should consider suggestion highstaff promotions.
If you're an emperor, you should probably consider the requests people are doing.
P.S: #Popay4HA
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lol ray is right,
stupid pointless topics where everyone can fight to show everyone that they are right
any topic about ambrosia dying or shit about it always causes the history channel to come back, everyone talks about the past, then it turns to huge fight
well done popay
gg
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lol ray is right,
stupid pointless topics where everyone can fight to show everyone that they are right
any topic about ambrosia dying or shit about it always causes the history channel to come back, everyone talks about the past, then it turns to huge fight
well done popay
gg
In this community, I have made sure that your history is your life :D
Sorry thou, but History :3
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The last people to be frustrated is popay. Looking the past few months, most topics bring sadness and regret, not to mention as he puts it "negative" vibe. Popay should be that last human being in ambrosia you to be mad in, If you had fm like before some years, oh boy would you have gotten so mad about them warning you and crying to your hstaff friends to remove them.
Just let the guy breathe, he just wants to lower the rate of chance that a fight will occur in a topic, how mannerable or polite the arguing is.
oh right, i ve suffered from edgars back then
but wait, there's difference between a fight and a discussion, and the topic didnt include any fights , ezio is right tbh, if all those discussions get closed all the time the forum is actually gonna be boring all you can see is admin applications
imo let people discuss,however if any fights accur it would be the time to interfere and you may lock the topic then, because there's no such thing as "thats enough feedback" people get to have opinions one after another.
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The last people to be frustrated is popay. Looking the past few months, most topics bring sadness and regret, not to mention as he puts it "negative" vibe. Popay should be that last human being in ambrosia you to be mad in, If you had fm like before some years, oh boy would you have gotten so mad about them warning you and crying to your hstaff friends to remove them.
Just let the guy breathe, he just wants to lower the rate of chance that a fight will occur in a topic, how mannerable or polite the arguing is.
oh right, i ve suffered from edgars back then
but wait, there's difference between a fight and a discussion, and the topic didnt include any fights , ezio is right tbh, if all those discussions get closed all the time the forum is actually gonna be boring all you can see is admin applications
imo let people discuss,however if any fights accur it would be the time to interfere and you may lock the topic then, because there's no such thing as "thats enough feedback" people get to have opinions one after another.
Sami or edgars was a pesky strict forum mod, but he is like 1/4 of the fm staff we had before. Take shane for example, even though he wasn't a fm his comments were spot on in every topic with never going either outside of the subject, or leaving just a sneak peak of his opinion with the demandment of him to reply once more. Same as St.George, Rawr+, Stevko, Thend(I mean right now he is not the same thend, but I loved his past one :D), Requiem, sync...
Most of the staff we had before, were just that good in being precise with their comments without the need for more or less details. Just enough to take the members on their side with full support.
It's funny to me that rawr+ was a forum mod for 1.5(maybe 2.5) years in ambrosia and in those times he was quite dedicated as popay is now. And if he was still a forum mod, he would do as popay right now.
There is a similar behavior people inhibit which is just posting the real story with "crops" of some parts to victimize themselves to acquire whiteknights and milk the value of their support and create a temporary group with a temporary similar target. Then just disband, so people would cry and tell you: You backstabed me.... The best example is the group when tasha overthrow shane, those people were ehmmmm, "something to be reckon with". Now, they are still around but are disbanded and actually quite aggressive towards eachother. Another example is redsnake vs shane incident( it was 50% of members siding with one, and the other 50% with the other).
And that starting to take big thing in CC era, (according to my investigation), that nitpicking as sami calls it. Before this was usually so well handled by forum mods that people just forget about it. Nowadays there is nobody in the staff team(active enough) to just kill it as before and completely annihilate the opinion of those people.
You have to understand that the staff team of ambrosia are up to hear with topics, sure feedback is great and all but with so much quantity it really does kill the mood (talkin from popay's perspective)
Take for example ezza and rawr, ezza was always the last guy to lock a topic until it reached a threshold of "enough feedback" where the same words overlap and don't engage the reader into anything new, just the same thing being said "that way" or "this way". He kinda did that for good 3 years from all 7 staff categories (from member - cs leader),(back then). So rightfully when ezza couldn't rawr did, with almost same result, the PROBLEM WAS FIXED! Not one of the sides with their opinions pulled a trigger in a different topic or in a new one, because it was fuqin CLOSED AND HAD A GOOD RED DOT. But doing that for years and years will start getting a toll, it really does give you more headaches and give you tons of frustrations, and the short solution is just to lock all those topics and make a new announcement with the plans so people can get hyped all again. That's the secret :D
That's what it's about leading a community.
I would like to thank you for reading this (3
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For the sake of humanity could you all please keep your words as short as possible. No need for writing a report -_-
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Is this being discussed?
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