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Title: [DROPPED]Admin abuse
Post by: G0DL1K3 on August 24, 2014, 08:40:23 pm
Admin: Jake
Server: Jailbreak
Date & Time: 24/08/14  21:35
Complaint: Burreing players without reason
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...): (http://i58.tinypic.com/nf2yyw.jpg)
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Noex' on August 24, 2014, 08:48:41 pm
Maybe listen next time ? he buried us cuz we asked him too on a last man standing day ...
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Pringles on August 24, 2014, 09:09:14 pm
Ok, so here's my opinion, but firstly I need you to read these definitions :

a·buse (-byz)
tr.v. a·bused, a·bus·ing, a·bus·es
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
2. To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.
3. To force sexual activity on; rape or molest.
4. To assail with contemptuous, coarse, or insulting words; revile.
5. Obsolete To deceive or trick.
n. (-bys)
1. Improper use or handling; misuse: abuse of authority; drug abuse.
2. Physical maltreatment: spousal abuse.
3. Sexual abuse.
4. An unjust or wrongful practice: a government that commits abuses against its citizens.
5. Insulting or coarse language: verbal abuse.

abuse of power
The act of using one’s position of power in an abusive way. This can take many forms, such as taking advantage of someone, gaining access to information that shouldn’t be accessible to the public, or just manipulating someone with the ability to punish them if they don’t comply.

Does your definition of abuse match with one of these above? Surely not.

You say at a first time that Jake was commiting an abusive act but then you say that his act was commited "without reason" which means that you are not even coherent with your own ideas.
Which basically means that you don't even know why you are reporting him and this could be due to personal reasons or whatever.

Now regarding your evidence. Your evidence is not useful and cannot be used in your favour because noone seems to complain against Jake not even the player who underwent the command and moreover we don't know if it was a game or a day who needed the use of this command.

So in my opinion, if you want this complaint to be taken seriously, either you provide a proof of KLRM.. complaining about Jake or a proof that shows that Jake's act

Cheers.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: BuddyTrollsten on August 24, 2014, 09:10:21 pm
Maybe listen next time ? he buried us cuz we asked him too on a last man standing day ...
So T's asked admin to bury them in LMS.
Don't you lose all your weapons when you get buried?
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Pim on August 24, 2014, 09:29:58 pm
Ok, so here's my opinion, but firstly I need you to read these definitions :

a·buse (-byz)
tr.v. a·bused, a·bus·ing, a·bus·es
1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse: abuse alcohol; abuse a privilege.
2. To hurt or injure by maltreatment; ill-use.
3. To force sexual activity on; rape or molest.
4. To assail with contemptuous, coarse, or insulting words; revile.
5. Obsolete To deceive or trick.
n. (-bys)
1. Improper use or handling; misuse: abuse of authority; drug abuse.
2. Physical maltreatment: spousal abuse.
3. Sexual abuse.
4. An unjust or wrongful practice: a government that commits abuses against its citizens.
5. Insulting or coarse language: verbal abuse.

could very well be the first one btw...

also, let Jake explain what happened.

and:

Maybe listen next time ? he buried us cuz we asked him too on a last man standing day ...
So T's asked admin to bury them in LMS.
Don't you lose all your weapons when you get buried?

Yeah they do

Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Jake on August 24, 2014, 10:50:37 pm
Last man standing started as usual, i got my team of badass professionals and we teamed up, After the cts started to see how OP My crew was they started saying, no teaming and such, gave us time to move and kept slashing me .. you know to mess with me

I burried em so people could see how badass my crew really is, Its Striker & Noex. They both know it was a joke for slashing me in last man standing

Also Boooddyyyy ( Buddy ), Last man standing, the cts cannot interfear in anyway so wouldnt matter if they lost their guns or not
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: CoiNNN on August 24, 2014, 10:53:23 pm
Last man standing started as usual, i got my team of badass professionals and we teamed up, After the cts started to see how OP My crew was they started saying, no teaming and such, gave us time to move and kept slashing me .. you know to mess with me

I burried em so people could see how badass my crew really is, Its Striker & Noex. They both know it was a joke for slashing me in last man standing

Also Boooddyyyy ( Buddy ), Last man standing, the cts cannot interfear in anyway so wouldnt matter if they lost their guns or not
Teaming/Camping is not allowed on LMS? Or im wrong
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Jake on August 24, 2014, 11:00:50 pm
Rules are made as the rounds starts by cts
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ray on August 24, 2014, 11:02:27 pm
Last man standing started as usual, i got my team of badass professionals and we teamed up, After the cts started to see how OP My crew was they started saying, no teaming and such, gave us time to move and kept slashing me .. you know to mess with me

I burried em so people could see how badass my crew really is, Its Striker & Noex. They both know it was a joke for slashing me in last man standing

Also Boooddyyyy ( Buddy ), Last man standing, the cts cannot interfear in anyway so wouldnt matter if they lost their guns or not
Teaming/Camping is not allowed on LMS? Or im wrong
I think it's allowed since the rules don't state that it's not allowed. The Official Ambrosian Jailbreak Rules (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=22296.0)
And about the report, i think Jake should have warned them, if warning isn't enough, probably slay.
But the use of bury is unnecessary... But i don't find that as an abuse because each admin would deal with it his way.

Cheers,
Ray
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Jake on August 24, 2014, 11:06:12 pm
Oh i warned :P
Reason i burried em cause they kept following me xD
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ed on August 25, 2014, 01:25:37 am
Can you explain what version of Last Man Standing were you playing?
Can you why in the middle of the game you bury people just because they follow you?
Can you also explain what is this "crew" you are talking about and you saying you wanted to show how badass crew you had by using admin commands?
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Jake on August 25, 2014, 02:31:04 am
Can you explain what version of Last Man Standing were you playing?
Can you why in the middle of the game you bury people just because they follow you?
Can you also explain what is this "crew" you are talking about and you saying you wanted to show how badass crew you had by using admin commands?

We started the Last man standing round with Teams Allowed but no camping, cts agree'd as i suggested em

I used my mic to call people to show up at the soccerfield to team up with me, I glowed em purple along with me

Cts spotted us and said that no camping or teaming was allowed, so ironicly refused that it were too late and all and they kept slashing me for 15 hp over and we splitted up and started to run away and they kept following me, slashing so i burried em

Basicly my badass crew was too badass for the cts to handle so they had to split us
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Noex' on August 25, 2014, 07:51:03 am
Can you explain what version of Last Man Standing were you playing?
Can you why in the middle of the game you bury people just because they follow you?
Can you also explain what is this "crew" you are talking about and you saying you wanted to show how badass crew you had by using admin commands?

We started the Last man standing round with Teams Allowed but no camping, cts agree'd as i suggested em

I used my mic to call people to show up at the soccerfield to team up with me, I glowed em purple along with me

Cts spotted us and said that no camping or teaming was allowed, so ironicly refused that it were too late and all and they kept slashing me for 15 hp over and we splitted up and started to run away and they kept following me, slashing so i burried em

Basicly my badass crew was too badass for the cts to handle so they had to split us

I'm sorry for harassing your badass crew :(

OT: Sami we all were joking me and striker didn't take it seriously cuz it was fun

And i don't appreciate godlike making a report and not even replying on it or giving a damn about it
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ḏ℮ηїαł on August 25, 2014, 09:17:42 am
This could've all been avoided if you guys decided to play LMS normally...

Also, teaming is allowed but camping, if the player is hardcore camping and not moving & delaying the game, yes I would do something about it.

But seriously, play LMS how it should be played - no bad custom rules, make it simple  :D

@Jake

There's traces of abusing from what I've seen from this report and from what you've said, imo..
Also, when LMS starts, there is no rules being made because it's a SD and not a normal cage day...
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: BuddyTrollsten on August 25, 2014, 09:23:22 am
So is Teaming allowed in LMS or not?
Every time there is a LMS the admin says no teaming up....
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Jason Bourne on August 25, 2014, 09:33:39 am
Teaming up isn't allowed its called "Last man" standing not "Last men" standing

OT.
Jake that is still abuse, you shoulda just continued the game normally without using your admin rights... after all it is a game where you kill the other players
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Pim on August 25, 2014, 09:39:55 am
Teaming up isn't allowed its called "Last man" standing not "Last men" standing

OT.
Jake that is still abuse, you shoulda just continued the game normally without using your admin rights... after all it is a game where you kill the other players

Please give a chance to jb staff to explain this instead of everyone just saying what he thinks
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ḏ℮ηїαł on August 25, 2014, 10:15:22 am
Teaming is allowed.. there is nowhere in Ambrosia's rules that says it isn't as far as I know...

Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Pim on August 25, 2014, 11:12:40 am
Teaming is allowed.. there is nowhere in Ambrosia's rules that says it isn't as far as I know...


Teaming up isn't allowed its called "Last man" standing not "Last men" standing

OT.
Jake that is still abuse, you shoulda just continued the game normally without using your admin rights... after all it is a game where you kill the other players

Please give a chance to jb staff to explain this instead of everyone just saying what he thinks
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: D00M on August 25, 2014, 11:47:09 am
Teaming is allowed.. there is nowhere in Ambrosia's rules that says it isn't as far as I know...


Teaming up isn't allowed its called "Last man" standing not "Last men" standing

OT.
Jake that is still abuse, you shoulda just continued the game normally without using your admin rights... after all it is a game where you kill the other players

Please give a chance to jb staff to explain this instead of everyone just saying what he thinks
Didn't he already explain?

Quote
We started the Last man standing round with Teams Allowed but no camping, cts agree'd as i suggested em

I used my mic to call people to show up at the soccerfield to team up with me, I glowed em purple along with me

Cts spotted us and said that no camping or teaming was allowed, so ironicly refused that it were too late and all and they kept slashing me for 15 hp over and we splitted up and started to run away and they kept following me, slashing so i burried em

Basicly my badass crew was too badass for the cts to handle so they had to split us
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Pim on August 25, 2014, 12:10:28 pm
Teaming is allowed.. there is nowhere in Ambrosia's rules that says it isn't as far as I know...


Teaming up isn't allowed its called "Last man" standing not "Last men" standing

OT.
Jake that is still abuse, you shoulda just continued the game normally without using your admin rights... after all it is a game where you kill the other players

Please give a chance to jb staff to explain this instead of everyone just saying what he thinks
Didn't he already explain?

Quote
We started the Last man standing round with Teams Allowed but no camping, cts agree'd as i suggested em

I used my mic to call people to show up at the soccerfield to team up with me, I glowed em purple along with me

Cts spotted us and said that no camping or teaming was allowed, so ironicly refused that it were too late and all and they kept slashing me for 15 hp over and we splitted up and started to run away and they kept following me, slashing so i burried em

Basicly my badass crew was too badass for the cts to handle so they had to split us

With jailbreak staff i meant the head admin and head admin assistant regarding the LMS rules
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ray on August 25, 2014, 12:24:50 pm
Teaming is allowed.. there is nowhere in Ambrosia's rules that says it isn't as far as I know...


Teaming up isn't allowed its called "Last man" standing not "Last men" standing

OT.
Jake that is still abuse, you shoulda just continued the game normally without using your admin rights... after all it is a game where you kill the other players

Please give a chance to jb staff to explain this instead of everyone just saying what he thinks
Didn't he already explain?

Quote
We started the Last man standing round with Teams Allowed but no camping, cts agree'd as i suggested em

I used my mic to call people to show up at the soccerfield to team up with me, I glowed em purple along with me

Cts spotted us and said that no camping or teaming was allowed, so ironicly refused that it were too late and all and they kept slashing me for 15 hp over and we splitted up and started to run away and they kept following me, slashing so i burried em

Basicly my badass crew was too badass for the cts to handle so they had to split us

With jailbreak staff i meant the head admin and head admin assistant regarding the LMS rules

- Anybody enforcing a rule on server that isn't listed here or common sense, isn't official and can be ignored
I think it was very well explained on the rules by RoNi and Sami and pretty much over 20 other ambrosians...
There's no rules on LMS, except the ones like "no camping" or something that wastes time uselessly
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Pim on August 25, 2014, 01:11:42 pm
Teaming is allowed.. there is nowhere in Ambrosia's rules that says it isn't as far as I know...


Teaming up isn't allowed its called "Last man" standing not "Last men" standing

OT.
Jake that is still abuse, you shoulda just continued the game normally without using your admin rights... after all it is a game where you kill the other players

Please give a chance to jb staff to explain this instead of everyone just saying what he thinks
Didn't he already explain?

Quote
We started the Last man standing round with Teams Allowed but no camping, cts agree'd as i suggested em

I used my mic to call people to show up at the soccerfield to team up with me, I glowed em purple along with me

Cts spotted us and said that no camping or teaming was allowed, so ironicly refused that it were too late and all and they kept slashing me for 15 hp over and we splitted up and started to run away and they kept following me, slashing so i burried em

Basicly my badass crew was too badass for the cts to handle so they had to split us

With jailbreak staff i meant the head admin and head admin assistant regarding the LMS rules

- Anybody enforcing a rule on server that isn't listed here or common sense, isn't official and can be ignored
I think it was very well explained on the rules by RoNi and Sami and pretty much over 20 other ambrosians...
There's no rules on LMS, except the ones like "no camping" or something that wastes time uselessly

Teaming up could be used as common sense as it gives an advantage to those players that team up...

Let's just wait for sami/november shall we...?
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Nutella on August 25, 2014, 01:35:59 pm
http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=27255.0 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=27255.0)

This topic explains it all.

Edit : Wait a second.. Why are you even in the server? I amx_addban'd you when the ban command wasnt working. You were banevading and refusing to leave the server. This guy is a banevader and should be banned.
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: 'PL' on August 25, 2014, 03:38:14 pm
Poor jake.

He couldn't hold himself to use some comamnds :D

And yes, thanks for the topic nuttella.
Somebody forgot to implement their opinion in the rules :D
Title: Re: Admin abuse
Post by: Ed on August 25, 2014, 04:29:54 pm
We have played Special days from the time JB was open with no camping allowed. I do not believe that a rule is needed to confirm that. Camping on Special days is not allowed full stop, it makes special days to go a lot longer than it needs to be. There will be an update topic with the special days/days and other stuff where things will be explained more clearly.

Last man standing, states - Last Man Standing, not Last Team Standing. So again teaming shouldn't happen.

As I understand CT's allowed teaming, then decided not to allow and freeslashed an Admin which again, means interrupting in the game play of that day. Jake was in jurisdiction to bury them as they were interfering.

This report is dropped.
I appreciate players reporting any wrong doing, but could you please try to think before reporting is it really any wrong doing? Or ask the admin itself why he did that and he should respond. If an admin is ignoring you, then yes that can be reported etc.

Dropped!