[UNBANNED][CS] Unban request-Bizzare (pub) [Judge:X]

[thEnd]

Hei Bizzare

I would like to explain why your nick is seen as being racist:

"I kill innocent People" is the Basic of your sentence (Name). By that you won't get anyone telling you that you are racist. Now, your Name: I kill innocent MUSLIM People, this is based and is only ment for MUSLIMS, so you actually go straight against muslims including many Players and members of Ambrosia. So yes you are being racist.

By Apologizing I guess you'll have bigger chances of getting your ban lowerd.

 

What you would do If you would see a guy with a nickname "I kill innocent people"  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misanthropy)
The person would not be banned our touched if even its offensive nick whilst playing a shooting game where we kill terrorists..


Any other social group nickname or offensive slang is treated much differently than Muslims/Arabs/Allah.


Its not the first time when ambrosian admin with Muslim background bans instantly with no warnings if the person is touching anything connected to Islam. And this is wrong. Fisu, you have permbaned guys with no warnings before so I know what you will say on this, but however this is a bit ridiculous servers and forums are virtual live/place where everything is a bit different.. Please visit more 4chan and reddit to see how racism slurs are dealt there... Yeah no racism but also no overreacting from Muslim moderators. (or I havent seen any).


What Im trying to say is that what happen in France shows partly the problem, that Europeans are looking differently and god/religion/race than Muslims, and especially in place like internet, everything must be taken with more non serious note.. Its the web..


No racism seen in killing innocent Latvian or Muslims or gays or putins... We kill everyday.. Virtually..

The Point is, he goes directly against Muslims by saying that and this what I call being racist. I have never permbanned without giving warnings - lol. What I did is bann racists permban and let them come apologize here and then they got unbanned (Which is in my eyes the best way to deal).

Because you woulden't feel offended it isnt being racist? As you can see the admin did feel offended, yet the permban wasn't the solution, I would of went with a warning and after that with a ban. AND by the way, you dont even know if the Player has beenwarned or not.

+ By saying what happend in France, you are actually showing that you don't have any idea about who's a muslim and who's a Terrorist. Stop comparing terrorists, with muslims.

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This pretty much went offtopic. Join a Server 70% or more are muslims, all of them feel offended by that nickname. I myself would Change it and tell him not to put it back. So yea, wait for the admin to come and explain now.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
zis is completely off topic but yeah i know a bit more about religion and history than you might guess.. also by saying that on the servers there is 70+ per cent Muslims what you are trying to implicate?


I dont stand any grounds as I don't believe in god, but i do respect my Muslim friends. Religion is sensitive but often I see Muslims doing the same thing as the blacks in USA.. In usa the biggest racists are blacks and everyone knows that.. So actually by using "religion of peace" is a bit offensive in a mean of freedom of speech.. You can say whatever to any Christian bout the bible/god and Christianity. But Muslim reactions often much more harsh.. as eg foxx..


Offensive nicks are "I F*** Muslims" or "I F*** Latvian" and these kind of words would be really offensive, right? But what about nick "I kill Latvians".. Should we ban the player or say " ha ha very funny, change your nick.. " But what you are trying to do is to make people now apologize for using word "Muslim". You would do nothing if he would have nick "I kill innocent people", so its all about the social group that is so special.. Imho thats a bit racist...

[Burzum]

muslim word should not be in ur nick

amx_nick as warning, and then a kick would be enough....  lets see if foxX gave some warning before ban permanent, coz i got problems to download log files

[thEnd]

muslim word should not be in ur nick

amx_nick as warning, and then a kick would be enough....  lets see if foxX gave some warning before ban permanent, coz i got problems to download log files

Then how about "I am Muslim",, Btw if you remmeber "dont panic im musulim" player


How about "black jesus" player.. How about "Paedo abusingholes", etc etc ..

[Cocainee Vendetta]

It's true, it's not racist. But it is provocative. If he gets unbanned by still carrying on the way he is, Ambrosia is over for me.

Site note: I would like to meet you in real life

Then how about "I am Muslim",, Btw if you remmeber "dont panic im musulim" player
How about "black jesus" player.. How about "Paedo abusingholes", etc etc ..

This has nothing in similarity. You should stay out of religious topics where a huge demographic is targeted because you can't use common sense. These kind of provocative comments/nicks/attitude for you seems like a no big deal (and some high staff). I would of said how would of you felt if his nick was "I kill innocent Latvians" but you still wouldn't care  .

Edit: For those who cares about rules... Here;

I. Respect & Order:

• Players must not breach the peace in Ambrosia (The Emperor's Peace). Should that be disturbance to Staff or other Players in Ambrosia.

[thEnd]

It's true, it's not racist. But it is provocative. If he gets unbanned by still carrying on the way he is, Ambrosia is over for me.

Site note: I would like to meet you in real life

Then how about "I am Muslim",, Btw if you remmeber "dont panic im musulim" player
How about "black jesus" player.. How about "Paedo abusingholes", etc etc ..

This has nothing in similarity. You should stay out of religious topics where a huge demographic is targeted because you can't use common sense. These kind of provocative comments/nicks/attitude for you seems like a no big deal (and some high staff). I would of said how would of you felt if his nick was "I kill innocents Latvians" but you still wouldn't care  .

Common or eastern vs western.. Common sense for majority of western people are -  there is no God and no one cares what do you draw or say about someone. Normal and common sense here where I live and back in my home is - you are not killed for saying anything. And we dont force people to tolerate us with some special requests. And yeah I dont care as long as seeing naked jesus cartoon as jesus havent said - kill the ones who are abusing me or my name..


You can kill whatever you want lol


I am white European who communicates in english language and lives in europe with a moderate political views etc etc..


p.s. disscusion offtopic..

[Cocainee Vendetta]

That's the point. We are not in your country. We can't abide with "common rules of the West". This is a global platform with many different races and religious people. He and you like everyone else has the freedom to believe whatever you wish. But you cannot declare this in a provocative manner; where your beliefs attacks mine. This is common sense which you obviously cannot understand or wish to understand. Not just just religion, everything. You think im this sensitive because I'm Muslim. But in fact i still be commenting here the same way if his nick was 'Christians', 'Jews' or anything else. It's wrong and I have my rights to stand against them.

[thEnd]

That's the point. We are not in your country. We can't abide with "common rules of the West". This is a global platform with many different races and religious people. He and you like everyone else has the freedom to believe whatever you wish. But you cannot declare this in a provocative manner; where your beliefs attacks mine. This is common sense which you obviously cannot understand or wish to understand. Not just just religion, everything. You think im this sensitive because I'm Muslim. But in fact i still be commenting here the same way if his nick was 'Christians', 'Jews' or anything else. It's wrong and I have my rights to stand against them.

This is global, yeah, western based I belive so as we accept gays here... If this would be saudi arabia based community, would we be able to speak about what we are speaking now? No, we are enjoying the western freedom, and my dear, global view stands mostly for western humanism, not sharia law.. You are welcomed to the west, where global peace is the answer..

[Cocainee Vendetta]

Ow yes! Very peaceful as I can see from you and your defendant

Summary: Ban is justified and shall stay put unless we see an apology and behaviour. Warnings and amxnicks is another aspect of the story and thats for the admin to explain.

[thEnd]

Just to finish oftopic discusion I want to tell you that my posts and intensions are not driven by hate towards Islam. I am very open minded person and I am in love with Internet. On the web, all the memes, virtual heroes, all the funny staff and comunication between ppl imo have created a new race - don't know how to call it, but they are people with the same peaceful vision of humankind, with a satirical view on today's oligarchs, governments, law, etc.. On the web you are free to say whatever you want unless it's really rude, racist, provocative, sensitive, etc.. The most reaction I'm awaiting from my Muslim friends is to have neutral or smart attitude, but seeing these demands for a honourable asking for "apology" is just ancient. That's my view, but however seeing someone saying sorry is the best fix for the trouble. But Muslims often are way too sensitive and not open minded when it's regarding their religion. And this is what is not fitting with a web. You can find memes about God and as example where gaben is godlike..or Jesus.. And no Christian would be ofended... But if I would post a meme where gaben is in satirical way compared to Muhammad, I would be labeled as racist straight away..

On the side note, I've seen editions of Charlie from early 70 until nowdays, and yes indeed they were really provocative, I mean really, so I have no wonder why some nut heads have done the recent attack, but also not letting to have feel free when a westerner is talking about Islam is a bit racist -.-

However Heavon and snipa have educated me good enough about Islam, and I've seen a good and peaceful side of it    

[Cocainee Vendetta]

Well I'm sorry @thEnd but I've said this to you before, you don't know how to project yourself. Anyone who doesn't know you, by reading your comments will MOST-DEFINITELY, come to a conclusion: "He is so anti-Islamic". I'm just writing this so people know you ain't.
- on topic, somehow.. Apologies.

[Mohawk]

Well now let me talk here.
Unban this guy.


1. Iam Ortodox but dont hate muslims. And moste of admins here are muslims and friends. And trust me i got alot of muslim friends irl.
2. I have se ppl in server with ISIS  and IS nick who i kick or ban them for 1 hr and i REALY HATE THEM!!
3. This is a game and not a politic server.
4.Give this guy a warning as the rest of players we do in the servers with provocated nicks.
5. Back to 2 So i should Perm Ban ISIS  IS nicks?




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Mohawk

[X-KilleR]

Nickname   I kill innocent muslim people
SteamID   STEAM_0:1:15885816
Steam Community ID   76561197992037361
IP address   
Ban type   IP
Reason   racism
Invoked on   07.01.2015 - 19:55:36
Expires on   Not applicable
Banned by   foxX*
Banned on   Ambrosia Public| ambrosia-servers.eu (de_inferno)

now i need @foxX_  to explain why permanent, and Bizzare have you anything to say?
PS: don't go offtopic now guys, consider it a last warn!!

[Andrew`]

It's true, it's not racist. But it is provocative. If he gets unbanned by still carrying on the way he is, Ambrosia is over for me.

Site note: I would like to meet you in real life

Then how about "I am Muslim",, Btw if you remmeber "dont panic im musulim" player
How about "black jesus" player.. How about "Paedo abusingholes", etc etc ..

This has nothing in similarity. You should stay out of religious topics where a huge demographic is targeted because you can't use common sense. These kind of provocative comments/nicks/attitude for you seems like a no big deal (and some high staff). I would of said how would of you felt if his nick was "I kill innocent Latvians" but you still wouldn't care  .

Edit: For those who cares about rules... Here;

I. Respect & Order:

• Players must not breach the peace in Ambrosia (The Emperor's Peace). Should that be disturbance to Staff or other Players in Ambrosia.

You say it's not racist, then you say the permanent ban should stay. You talk about abiding the rules and "keeping it calm" and then you obviously threaten the OP. Can you enlighten me please? I can't decide.
I am a Christian and I would not care even if his name was "I f*** Christians", why? Because if a guy opens his CS just to offend a race his life is pathetic enough that a ban would do no harm to him, and secondly, because he will probably never even f*** his gf.

I insist this was not racist(read my post above) but really provocating, still the ban is way too harsh without warnings and the admin totally overreacted. Also, I am PLEASING again someone to check the logs and find out if there was a person the same time with a nick like "I kill Christians" or smth, because if he didn't get punished then the ban could even be flagged as racist.

Everyone has his own opinion, but most of the times I see people overreacting. Being a player in many communities I've seen many racist names, I still haven't seen any change on any religion just because a kid put a silly name.

Still waiting for admin's side, let's not continue this endless conversation, I don't think we will ever agree.

[foxX_]

You asked "where I come from," and I mean Germany! Your answer was therefore out "ohhh adolf hilter is the best"!

You have referred to many other players as Jews, I did not take any screenshots but for me it was quite extreme!

and something just does not belong on a server where you want to have fun and wants to play!

[X-KilleR]

<STEAM_0:1:15885816><109.***.***.**> *DEAD*I kill innocent muslim people : i kill muslims for fun
DEAD*I kill innocent muslim people : foxx whre you from ?
20:40:16 <STEAM_0:0:><> *DEAD*foxX* : germany
20:40:47 <STEAM_0:1:15885816><> *DEAD*I kill innocent muslim people : big fan of hitler here
20:48:29 <STEAM_0:1:15885816>*DEAD*I kill innocent muslim people : i've killed 123 muslims so far

Well saying 'i kill muslim people" isn't funny at all

[X-KilleR]

Your case is being reviewed by [X]
Ambrosia Unban Panel

Rules are rules , and here it is a gaming community, you have to respect others and stop being provocative, if you want to spread your feelings , your ideologies ,there is too many sites and forums for that ,but here we are multi-cultural community ,we play games, and have fun, so please show some respect for the others and respect rules
Player will be banned 3 days you can join the server the 10th of January 10/01/2015