[SURF][info]Surf DM

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So if we add Campmeter again it will be hard to spot all the Campsers btw hard to administrate. And surf ski 2 dm is a poor ranking map.

I never liked it.

[terraboN]

Rubix my man ..

However as the majority agrees, it's not a problem for me to agree as well. We are one big family, no individuals!

Btw terra: How to abuse it? - Camp 14 seconds, get the hell out from that spot, repeat action. Ole !

Still, gives a slightly better chance for players to kill campers, if they have to move. Also, surf has admins for a reason!

[Chris]

Terrabon said everything,add a camp meter or more better
remove deathmatch.

[Headshot-X]

Terrabon said everything,add a camp meter or more better
remove deathmatch.

REMOVE IT DO IT

[Xraa]

As i heared that camp meter was removed i was pretty confused, sure it brings more fun for that people who can use this opportunity. If i join the Server People come online and saying after a couple minutes: "Admin, Player X is camping at the tower, do something please" (usually the Player who are Camping at this sneaky spots are that guys who are pretty known here, so they're not totally bad). As Admin i cant do that much there expect join for a while the other Team and "help out". And this is not the end, yesterday i came online and couldnt leave the spawn, two guys was at T1 and two other behind the Scout spot, i just could with a lot of luck get away even to enjoy Surfing and how should someone who joined new the Server, with no skills enjoy Surfing there?

[Headshot-X]

As i heared that camp meter was removed i was pretty confused, sure it brings more fun for that people who can use this opportunity. If i join the Server People come online and saying after a couple minutes: "Admin, Player X is camping at the tower, do something please" (usually the Player who are Camping at this sneaky spots are that guys who are pretty known here, so they're not totally bad). As Admin i cant do that much there expect join for a while the other Team and "help out". And this is not the end, yesterday i came online and couldnt leave the spawn, two guys was at T1 and two other behind the Scout spot, i just could with a lot of luck get away even to enjoy Surfing and how should someone who joined new the Server, with no skills enjoy Surfing there?

+1 Nice.

[terraboN]

Well then? Any decisions or actions by high staff?

[SharkX69]

Nothin will be changed to dm map terrabon.
Theres only few players you and some others that complaining about it you spoke to me about it ingame aswell but like popay said as you can see when we change to dm servers goes full.
That says a lot.
And yes i prefer a full server even with nabs then an empty server max 8 players who thinks they are elite surfers.
In this way you put it you its like you want a hole server just for you and those few who dosnt like dm mod.
We do not stick to the past like you told to popay. Popay just mention something that is true.
If i make dm all maps then you'll see what full surf server looks like.
The only reason i didnt do it til now its rubix and pim cause we discuss everything about changes etc.
But even rubix admitted that dm attracts players as it is now. Correct me if im wrong.
If you dont like this map then dont play it and simply quit when it goes to this map.
But i want server to be full and not only to be liked by our admins and play 6 or 8 people max.

[Santa]

Nothin will be changed to dm map terrabon.
Theres only few players you and some others that complaining about it you spoke to me about it ingame aswell but like popay said as you can see when we change to dm servers goes full.
That says a lot.
And yes i prefer a full server even with nabs then an empty server max 8 players who thinks they are elite surfers.
In this way you put it you its like you want a hole server just for you and those few who dosnt like dm mod.
We do not stick to the past like you told to popay. Popay just mention something that is true.
If i make dm all maps then you'll see what full surf server looks like.
The only reason i didnt do it til now its rubix and pim cause we discuss everything about changes etc.
But even rubix admitted that dm attracts players as it is now. Correct me if im wrong.
If you dont like this map then dont play it and simply quit when it goes to this map.
But i want server to be full and not only to be liked by our admins and play 6 or 8 people max.

I've just read the whole Conversation, I'm Going to give my Opinion, In the first week of the change server went empty for a long Time and that was just because of the big Difference that happened in a row :
jail was added, choosing guns was removed, camp meter was removed, all these things mad all Modernistic players to leave.
There are tastes in this words, we cant stick into something and say its better, we want the best for the server just like what Shark~X69 said :
Having a server with 32 Newbies is Better then a server with 8 Admins and Professionals !
Let us be all Patient and wait !
I'm very sure server will get full so soon without any changes because ambrosia servers are ones of the greatest server in history of Counter-Strike,
I've said that once but I'm going to say it again, Server is just like an apple tree that is full in a season and empty in another, Adding much Fertilizer will kill the Tree !

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Supporting this idea

Surf sucks with DM..
We should have more training maps+new maps.

But please remove DM it sucks totally, always camper down there with a scout.

[P o p a y]

Those campers with scouts are the Worst campers .. You can take them out with a knife, I mean cmon..

As Shark said, we want full server, not 8 admins and 2 professionals.

Check my previous reply to check my opinion about it, since I won't be commenting coz I stated my facts and views about it.

[Rubix]

Nothin will be changed to dm map terrabon.
Theres only few players you and some others that complaining about it you spoke to me about it ingame aswell but like popay said as you can see when we change to dm servers goes full.
That says a lot.
And yes i prefer a full server even with nabs then an empty server max 8 players who thinks they are elite surfers.
In this way you put it you its like you want a hole server just for you and those few who dosnt like dm mod.
We do not stick to the past like you told to popay. Popay just mention something that is true.
If i make dm all maps then you'll see what full surf server looks like.
The only reason i didnt do it til now its rubix and pim cause we discuss everything about changes etc.
But even rubix admitted that dm attracts players as it is now. Correct me if im wrong.
If you dont like this map then dont play it and simply quit when it goes to this map.
But i want server to be full and not only to be liked by our admins and play 6 or 8 people max.

I do agree with DM being there as a map, but as the previous version with camper meters.
Thats the only thing I find is ruining the gameplay a little.
That version of the server was capable of reaching 26/26 even more easily than this server from my experience.
I dont mind DM, but I would rather it was set back to its original state

[terraboN]

All i said was add camp meter for more fair gameplay. Are you gonna add it or not?

[Colombia]

I agreed with what shark said. No need to add or remove anything, just wait. The time decides all in the world.

[sagNN]

Ss2dm is better like this, but what about allowing us to buy awp? And keep it removed from awp tower

[terraboN]

I agreed with what shark said. No need to add or remove anything, just wait. The time decides all in the world.

It's like you guys don't know what we are debating about...

DM does not get as full as other maps, people rage quit due to campers. Adding camp meter, even for 15 secs, will make a more fair and less frustrating gaming environment. Jail is just ridiculous, makes people sit on T1 and spray M4's.

Note to ALL : Read carefully of what we are requesting, no it ain't just a few of us shark, most people hate the DM system but only a few are actually fighting against it.

And please, LOOK CAREFULLY IF DM MAKES THE SERVER FULL. From what i have seen so far, on average it gains 9on9 = 18 players and i think we can really improve it by switching to the old system.

[Pim]

To be honest, i do not agree with anyone who've posted on this topic, yet on the other hand i would agree with every unto a certain level.

Yea Terrabon, there are quite some players who dislike ss2dm including you, and for example Rubix and me. Yet in the meanwhile i have to admit that the map brings activity to the server which is why we have it after all, yet not much more activity than the other version of ss2dm did.

So yes Shark, it does bring activity. But don't be mistaken, so do our classic maps. As you can see here:


Ss2 classic is still the most voted map. By going full dm we would lose a lot of players like Terrabon, as you can see he wouldn't enjoy ss2dm 24/7.

Personally, i suggest everyone to have a two-sided look on the server rather than a one-sided look and at the same time don't think what you want, yet what the players want.

As for ss2dm camperzones, i would indeed recommend them. As of this moment it is possible to stand on t1 with 2/3 players and kill everyone jumping from spawn which makes it impossible for the player to kill the others, even though he might be pro he just won't be able to escape those campers.

Also, if you take a look at our rank. You can see that surf does fine compared to other ambrosia servers. And the fact that even though our last boost was a month ago, the server manached to attach the players so they would stay on surf as we are higher ranked than for example public which has been boosted a week ago. Means surf isn't a bad server at this moment. Don't mistaken me though, this does not mean we can not improve. Yet going full dm wouldn't be an improvement if you would ask me, neither would full classic. It's the mixture that does it.

Yes i do have to agree that we're decading in rank, due to my inactivity and me being unable to boost, it all comes down to Rubix who does his best trying to get a boost up and getting the server running smoothly.

Sincerely, Pim

[Rubix]

As Pim mentioned the reason surf is a good server is the fact that it is a hybrid server.
There is NO server out there that I am aware of which caters for DM players and surf players within one server.
It is this which sets us apart from other communities and servers.
As Pim also said, camp meter is a MUST in order to make the server a fun environment to play in and attract players, as most players do not like being spawn trapped from t2 by awps.
Shark, I hope you take this into consideration.
And thank Pim for the server, without him it wouldn't be as good as it is today

[terraboN]

Is this enough to add camp meter? ... I feel like this is leading to more agreements and no action.

Thanks for all the support on my request, helps a lot.

[SharkX69]

At the moment dm map will remain as it is. All maps have camp meter so its good one to be so different than the others.