[JB]Some rules are needs to be inside!

[Silja]

Taunting one especially. Main reason is that T can keep slashing and if CT comes to T while hes slashing He can kill him saying "you slashed me and that is ******* rebelling", and admin and all others CT's will say that is true.
Second example CTs are on top of cage that he can be slashed/stabbed and he dose that purposely to see if he gets slashed/stabbed so he can get allowed kill cuz there is no rule about it. That area is called edge of cage....and he can be slashed/stabbed.




Second thing that it was about Free day guy...in this example i got free killed and i got my fd ...Great...(some other day i saw people that they have FD and they entered Gun room...CT's didn't say anything and they didn't say that he can't enter it even thou Rules say "Gunroom is ALWAYS RESTRICTED"). I got that rule...but fd people can enter can take gun ...ct sees that and he dose not SAY that "you can or you CAN"T ENTER or PICK UP GUN" While Admin JAKE And Nab said otherwise.
So Gun room is Not resticted unless you are favored by CT ... or an admin. *take look at pictures* There i argued with nab and jake  or nab ended with sentence "I  explained you the logic"

So how come people who get into gun room ...sometimes even admins get into a gun room and if someone kills him...he gets to slay him or gets mad at him...even THOU rule stated "GUN ROOM IS RESTRICTED ALWAYS". I guess when admin is around and some people can get into gun room without asking a CT "can i enter gun room and do that or this" ...is okay?

Nab and Jake said ...well look at pictures...
Explanation Admins that a gave me

So fair what i see that rules CAN be broken by CT OR ADMIN if there is so called favoritism, that is also issue when comes who's gonna be ct. It seems that CT and ADMIN can pick who's gonna be CT...so that makes me wonder what are chances to get to be ct if ADMIN OR CT decide not to give people chance to be CT.
So what i noticed people that are not liked by CT or ADMIN can NEVER BE CT no matter what! Just because admin or CT says so! EAther way ....CT sometimes makes mistake and admins Are soo judgy to ppeople and as soon they make mistake its like "command Slay/transfer" and then saying "You do not know rules, you can't be CT"

And when it comes to favoritism there is people that Pick people they don't like and  they shoot/kill

[Andrew`]

About the freeday, the gunroom is always restricted as mentioned in the rules unless a CT says "you can go", even if the T has a freeday. About the slashing part, yes I've been thinking about a rule of this, it is true CTs can be at someone's attacking range and then get mad if he gets attacked, but this can be considered as taunting, in many situations.

[Silja]

I added some more info to main topic...i just edited and i got error


Here is another rule that should be listed...cuz it's manly for logic reason.
New command/old Obsolesce:
This is how it's explained. CT gives command "Freeze on back wall of the cage, shoulders to shoulders"...and t's does that. Then he gives new command "Last/First reaction jump" or something that requires T side to do that action...thing is OLD command "Freeze on back wall of the cage, shoulders to shoulders" is not longer valid.
Main reason cuz he gave new command that overrides "Freeze" which is part of command "Freeze on back wall of the cage, shoulders to shoulders" therefore makes that command obsolete or not valid anymore. Witch if T did jump or crouch ...that is movment and all t's that are moved CAN or WILL be shoot.
What i see that CT usually shoot people after giving second command or killing the guy saying "you moved away form back wall/ or you just moved"
If there is no rule about this...CT's might/will abuse this kinda of commanding, making it for ts not fun playing jailbrake.

Secondly i had here a compliment about the rule "FD day can enter gun room if ct allows them...and he can take gun"....I've seen many t's that enter room without CT's CONSENT ON PLAIN SIGHT! Thus ct's are braking the rule "Gunroom is now allowed at all times"
If rule "Gun room is now allowed at all to t's" there SHOULDN'T be any expectations to anyone.

['PL']

Taunting rule, hell no.... Never I want to see that thing back in ambrosia under any circumstance. We had enough of complaints in 2010 about it. Even rawr was so angry once he basically removed the whole taunting section or something.

Anywho, greytown has these edges on the cage where ct's can take positions. There is no reason why you'd want to slash the ct unless the concept of killing him and rebelling. And the ct is not baiting you to kill him, he prefers to risk his life for no reason. Even I say multiple times in chat, that most rebellions in greytown happen because one ct thought it's funny or awesome if he just stays there, relatively close to knife range and making the day a mess after he dies and the gun is dropped in the cage.Quite unnecessary if I must say to risk position-wise for life. So, making it complicated for the ct's by restricting parts of the maps is pretty much the most controversial taunting rule.

This obsolesce thing... If you give a command that logically is impossible to do whilst the previous command is in power and activity, you can tell him he is overriding the command and he is breaking the rules. But your example of last and first reaction doesn't hold water, because last and first reaction that involves people staying at the wall(jump,crouch,say that,look there...) can be played until he overrides the command of which requires you to leave the wall(go/move/relocate there). In which he can't shoot you anymore for his primary command. And if he is doing last and first reaction and shooting you for not doing his primary command whilst the last/first reaction is about moving in places can get the ct reported and etc.

About freeday guy in gunroom... I killed you, as I kill anybody that goes in the gunroom because it never exists a reason to go in the gunroom for a t. I never have conducted favoritism or had myself biased to not kill somebody for being in the gunroom. I intentionally don't stay around the gunroom as I don't want to be "laming" for killing threats (freeday guys) easier. In greytown, usually one ct is put outside the gunroom to kill incoming vent guys or nade the vent.
It doesn't make sense to unify everybody to kill people in the gunroom if they want their friendship to be built on trust. If you don't kill a freeday guy that goes in the gunroom it means you trust him. But In my case I don't trust anybody for having a gun and being a threat.

[Silja]

Taunting should be added...it's called taunting...so there is part of game that even admin said it "if you enter cage you will be killed and you can't do anything about it..ie can't shoot people" having that rule is part of Jailbrake...unless this server is made for CTs to boost score on net that...what can i say. Like i said i came form diffrent community and funny thing was Tautning....ct's have to be careful.  Form what i can see CT's want t NOT TO rebel at all times so he can get as many kills he can.
So basicly most rules that are made are made for CT side ...ie to CT have FAR bigger advantige over T. Therefore making it jailbrake score boost bitch.

['PL']

If it's ct sided, then how does t's always have a 5:1 score against ct's. Boosting scores? Well yes, some games that uncreative ct's do are ranking or awfully lame. That's why creative people think of games that require you to use your intellectual capacity and innovative ways to not bore players to death. Ambrosia jailbreak was always about having fun with games, not rebelling. Some people find fun in rebelling, let them rebel. But it's risky and it doesn't pay off in the long term.

Currently because it 2015 and new shop completely eradicated having thirdparty help to rebel (rtd or cheap shop prices), to promote creativity. Because when constantly the score is 5:1, the ct's are discouraged to experiment and have fun in their own ways. Most of the ct's I see on jailbreak are just repetitive to never atlesat think of something new. And I always credit those people when they make new games, because with every new game comes another better game.

[Silja]

I can understand that about being creative. That is ok to me...and that is required in all jb's I've been. I agree on you there.
But im eating therefore your argument is invalid xD
Joke aside,  why come ON EACH day there is about 60-75% people killed INSIDE of cage but using methods such as "First/last reaction, trivia, long jump from one table to another" before map is even used. And 95% of time most used spot on map is Soccer...out of 16 people usually 4-6 people get to be outside of cage.
And you call this a creative jailbrake server? I bet there is NO day in this server that you can pull 95% of T's outside to some part of map without eliminating most of them.
I can bet on that unless all T's agree with CT's that they are not gunna rebel.....which  is called BS, Cuz there will Be always one or more people that WILL rebel no matter the cost. So your point why score for t's are 5:1 is that is how usualy is..unless cts are freekillig people for  reason just to boost CT side. Your argument here is invalid.

And most thing that annoyances crap out of me is that if there is button to close T's inside of cage WILL BE USED. Second thing is t's are ALWAYS ...not all, calling above people ..ie above cage. I know ...to getter better view so they can kill who needs to be killed/punished or something similar you are gonna say.
Where i came form...only NON Calling ct's (Commander) must be at grounds...and must be calling, while all other CT's are allowed to be above.

About New command obsolesce well i just example and it dose override "Go to back of cage and shoulder to shoulder"...there plenty of commands that CT's are abusing without this rule that dose not exist....and thing is you are fighting for CT side not T side...instead you should try to be neutral about both sides.

You hate rule "Taunting" cuz you do not know what taunting works and how to get away form it. And most likely that CT that taunts people are not aware of it, therefore making t's to win even faster. I came form Server that had this rule and it was hella fun for T.
So let me expalin what would Happen in real life if you where CT and you go to guys face and try to be tough guy by using taunting + intimidation, there is two scenarios for this...eather will put up with you ...witch is case or he will brake your nose with hes fist/forehead...or even worse kill you on spot.

In prisions you do not come alone to T while he can stab you with something...that is taunting...what i see here that CT can go to a CT and jump on him....stand on hes head...makes fun of him and he can't do nothing about it...If guy damages CT....or in this case prision officer he would be kicked badly and send to solitary.
But guy that did taunt would get his revenge and i do not think he would do same thing  again...maybe to other guy but if he wanna get killed...which i do not belive that anyone wanna death wish.

[Phenomenal]

I've explained you enough about the freeday guy getting killed in gunroom in those SS. However I will further explain you this, why would you go to the gunroom as fd guy? The reasons are obvious to kill a CT when you are in a difficult situation because even if a CT lets you pick up the gun, in the end he will probably ask you to drop it. So you are saying the CT should risk his life by letting you get the gun? I have made myself clear enough. About taunting rule, if it is added many will take time to adapt to it and trust it will piss many people off. About last and first reaction, you see I got you a freeday because it is not possible for a CT to judge among 15+ prisoners that who had jumped at the last. For choosing CTs I wanted to let the people who were asking from the previous map, but Jake wanted to choose CTs and to avoid trouble I just let him.

[Silja]

Fine

[P o p a y]

Taunting rule will be discussed in the following meeting.