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Offline Florian

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Re: A mannerful player
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2015, 01:48:48 pm »
@Pim : Roomantic said nothing to PL, nor did I see anything really aggravating in PL's logs of yesterday really, just banter and perhaps it could be annoying to others but nothing that would even explain where the 'hope you get cancer' lol.

As to Roomantic's warning, I guess he's talking about this:
16:18:04 &lt;STEAM_0:0:1640126955&gt;&lt;hiddenip&gt; <font color=red>Inhale my Exsasperate Dongrosia</font> : <font color=green>you happen to notice this al guy just threatening me with cancer</font>

16:18:05 &lt;STEAM_0:0:1640126955&gt;&lt;hiddenip&gt; <font color=red>Inhale my Exsasperate Dongrosia</font> : <font color=green>right?</font>

L 04/25/2015 - 16:18:52: [adminchat.amxx] Chat: "RR | Roomantic <3<2><STEAM_0:0:295007822><>" tsay "If I see one more racist/offensive word in the chat, I will ban him."

But no real warning coming from the admin or anything, just him replying to PL in particular, ignoring the whole issue otherwise.

Also I particularly dislike the fact that as an admin you can't resort to other manners to correct the other player than threaten with a ban, especially for a player you consider to 'usually be nice', let words speak first before you bring your powers in. You did not try to de-escalate the situation or talk to PL when he was annoying, you didn't talk to Al capon either.

Hello there, Maki.

First of all, as I did mention above, when I warn a player I firstly warn him with words, after that warn, I take actions. I did personal messaged Al Capon to watch his language, after that PM he stopped, and said I am sorry (on his microphone). I apologize for not punishing him. The reason that I did not punish him is that I have seen him many times in the JailBreak server, he is a very decent player, I never saw him breaking any rule or saying something offensive to anyone.

Second. This is not the first time seeing PL provoking players in the server, he does it all the time, and I have warned him before, but he has taken it as a joke.
 

Offline Maki

Re: A mannerful player
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2015, 02:22:47 pm »
oh I don't particularly think you should've punished him, I'm just saying I don't see what PL did wrong in the logs that would have caused Capon to say that. I just saw banter between Buddy and PL apparently. I simply don't like the way people seem to throw the word 'ban' around but that's simple preference.

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Re: A mannerful player
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2015, 02:30:13 pm »
oh I don't particularly think you should've punished him, I'm just saying I don't see what PL did wrong in the logs that would have caused Capon to say that. I just saw banter between Buddy and PL apparently. I simply don't like the way people seem to throw the word 'ban' around but that's simple preference.

My simple preference is that highstaff deals with logs, not you

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Re: A mannerful player
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2015, 03:03:39 pm »
Here were are again, some people showing up in fights daily to end them supposedly being the grown ups and then make new ones on the first chance.

First of all, once again, being an oldie/newbie does not give you immunity, you're all the same in "my" server, PL, Al Capon and not only should be respected not less than the others no matter if they're here for 1 day or 10 years. Capon did act in a bad way but I'm pretty sure something must have triggered it.

Secondly, I would appreciate if some loyal, respected people don't just show up publishing logs, we all know you can access them but I would've posted them already if I wanted to, obviously there was a reason I didn't.

Now, out of curiosity, dear Replica, may I know what is this report for? Obviously, you want me to take action for him cursing you once, however when I once wanted to take action on another case for more than 2 rule breaks you judged me with bad words saying I definitely caused this, how can this case be any different and what action would you suggest for Al Capon? Secondly, why is it you show up in JB sometimes with another nick throwing away salty comments?

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With all do respect mr head admin...
Try to figure out what triggered it and shove me evidence of it, until that you are here to act/don't act on my evidence. Because I'm not seeing anything what I have said or acclaimed position that suits annoyance feature. When you present me evidence, I don't see a reason to defend what I did, because if we are to talk on experience you won't find one hair of me causing annoyance after deniz's departure(that being some 2 years ago). I didn't disrespect this capon guy, I just criticized his way of pronouncing and his flawed pattern of camping on special days directly which you are interpreting it as triggered. This was done on 2 occasions included with the argument of camping on the special day. There is a difference this being conducted repeatedly and what I did, I'm not a fan of you running a campaign of really unpleasant ct's and telling me what he said was triggered. If you ask any older player, they would never associate me with a troublemaker, just the guy who likes to talk a lot...
Would you say something like that if one guy happens to criticize you because you can't pronounce words and in exchange try to be careful next time?
I've heard far more better replies when I practiced this "pronunciation" thing on other newbie players, then receiving this.

Well why you didn't post them mr head admin, you wanted to conserve of the additional sentences he would pile up with my evidence que and worsen his punishment? And I know that with additional 4 lines he said after what I reported, that he is pretty much washed up.

Why did I do this report? Well because a person like this playing on jailbreak in a community which I by heart know what does to these kind of players, not to mention I just noticed him being defended by a administrator of all people, it does says a lot about the state of jailbreak. And I wanted just to fill a slot in jailbreak so it could have players with brains :(. And I prefer to join sometimes in anonymity, sometimes known. Plus the name I had was pretty much a big giveaway of how much Anonymous I can be.

Your 2 rulebreakers? You mean the part where I said: "You maybe caused this because they are oldies?" In the sentence exists a plausible adverb entitled "maybe" that points out uncertainty because we all know oldies are not oldies when they cause trouble? So it always has to exist, and I mean always a catch of what was the situation. You being a new head admin knows completely zero about older people that are and always be valuable to jailbreak's activity and creativity level, somebody has to which is me. With that inclusion I will add addendums to their profiles accordingly to my book calculating their pros and cons after x-years. Those addendums can be quite valuable to calculate the "goodness" or "badness" for newer head admins like yourself. But since you are already under the "possessive" disease and call the jailbreak server "yours" leads me to believe we will be getting a zorrocat incident v2. Not to mention waiting when the jb server will be full for 8 hours per day like it used to which you happen to promise to me and all the leftover oldies. So it's pretty illuminated that oldies are not your target group which for other head admins were, and want to make good players out of new ones. Well good luck with that I suppose because it's the 4th month and I still don't see any new player that suits the "good" quota...

And I possible could have said something when we talked in one occurring that could have inflicted a insulting capability as I was trying to buy time and settle the problem with those 2 rulebreakers and delivered a better result, because now those 2 rulebreakers will never follow you, which gives teamwork a huge minus for you.


@Romantic
I mean it would be great if you tell me what time this is me fictively provoking and what tools I used to provoke anybody.
It could help me remember.
And here to help your statement I could admit that I provoked jake after he got unbanned which he told me to stop and I stopped.

P.S: One possible trigger was when he pronounced joking as choking which I laughed with buddy and he said that to me.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2015, 03:15:10 pm by 'PL' »

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Re: A mannerful player
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2015, 03:30:47 pm »
Well, with all due respect mr admin, for the last time, I don't give jack squatt if you're an oldie or if you don't like JB's situation that "has people with no brains", you will respect everyone and his/her word pronounciation, you're constantly negatively commenting on everything and I've seen it myself many times thinking being an oldie gives you some kind of immunity, well sorry but not on my watch. Al Capon's reaction was wrong, however he is well known for his maturity(not by you, but that doesn't mean having played JB a century ago means you know everyone) so I'm sure he just didn't curse you for no reason, just like you accused me before for "maybe" causing some bad attitude from some people without any evidence at all, I'm doing the same, which means based on my own facts(just like you did before) I concluded there's a big possibility you could have triggered his reaction. You see, not everyone likes to be bothered with some old players' monologues in server and you sir are full of those, either if that's good or bad, constantly bringing up the fact you're an oldie and they cannot be touched, which is disappointing to see from a supposedly objective admin.

However, I had to be objective so I did not take action on you based on my theory about Capon's reaction, did I? I will look into this and reply soon based on evidence concluding to a decision, I just posted my own point of view like you're constantly doing asking for respect about it, and now I'm asking you to respect my theory, unless it doesn't matter because I wasn't here 3 years ago..

Once again and for the last time, no admin/member/anyone is any different in server, not even myself, we all respect each othet and mind our own business, you're not in JB to judge or be judged, you're there to have fun no matter who you're playing with. As long as he's allowed to play in the server you will respect them, if something occurs come talk to me, but I don't wanna see curses like Al Capon's or any offences that could trigger a fight.

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Offline Andrew`

Re: A mannerful player
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2015, 09:31:31 pm »
Alright, first of all as I noticed PL didn't like my words at all I would like to apologize if I offended you in any way. Of course I would never take any action without evidence, however, I wanted to show you that making assumptions without evidence can be taken as "pointing fingers", I told you before and you didn't believe me, I made up a theory about this case without evidence and you didn't like it, so I suppose you finally understand my point when we talked before and that people's judgement can sometimes be subjective(like yours was once before) and the term "oldie" can be easily abused for no use at all. Anyway, I suppose we both learned our lesson. We're all equal here and we all deserve a chance to defend ourselves after showing the right evidence, and noone shall be judged without proof to support any theory(this goes for everyone).

About Al Capon's reaction now, well, no, you didn't offend him directly, but you were obviously making fun of his English mistakes, like when he said "muscle himself" or "probkem" or telling him "Say byebye to jb" after his cursing, you were spamming all over the chat with his error so obviously it was intentional. I doubt you were just helping him correct his English the way you were reacting to them but even if you were, you do realize not everyone comes in JB to be judged for his mistakes all the time, we're there to have fun.

However, that does NOT mean such attitude is justified, cursing someone like this for making a joke or correction is not reasonable and should not be tolerated. Still, admin Roomantic did his job and warned him twice, once when he said to everyone to watch their language and then few moments later when he privately said to Al Capon not to say that again, he couldn't punish him for just one incident(it's all in the logs). Therefore an extention to this one incident was not so necessary, we all lose it once, it happens, and he was warned.

Therefore, no further action will be taken. Respect others and mind your business, not everyone is in the mood to be judged/annoyed by others, we're in JB to relax and have fun, sometimes people can have a bad day.

This offense though will be "kept" in Al Capon's history in case he shows bad attitude again.

Regards.
« Last Edit: April 26, 2015, 09:34:30 pm by Andrew~ »