(RESOLVED) comlplain

[Fisu]

That rule you quoted is used for reasonable grounds. My view of it is, there is no rule stating one should join loser team if they are the main winner on the opposite team.

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There are no unwritten rules in Ambrosia; if a rule is not published it is not a rule. Rules are carefully considered and decided upon and under no circumstances should you impose a rule that is not official.
I think people should freely choose what team they want to play on unless they were automatically transferred by server but then who says they must stay there? If I play a game, I want to play where I feel most comfortable at the end of the day, where I want to play... It should be a player choice.

That's what I was trieng to explain. Players have alsow the right to choose, or they will just leave and search for other server..

[thEnd]

Let's just not loose the sense of the game. There are unwritten rules - yes. There are wtjers - yes. There was a confusion with your unban - yes.

To make a ceasefire I just advice to unban the player by exchange of dropping the case. That would lead the case into players favour but you must understand that todo were not seeking for a personal revenge, just a plain simple correcting a game as it is needed sometimes. If the logs will bring up any evidence against the player we could continue with a something else.

[中國電力]

i m unbannnnnned !!!! by high stuff go and to unban section and u will find my application
dontodo don t respect rules !!! he ban me 60 mn and when he know that i m unbanned he extend my ban 10 days !!! this is not legal
dontodo don t respect decision of high stuff h must be punished for his action against me !!!

[DonTodo #]

i m unbannnnnned !!!! by high stuff go and to unban section and u will find my application
dontodo don t respect rules !!! he ban me 60 mn and when he know that i m unbanned he extend my ban 10 days !!! this is not legal
dontodo don t respect decision of high stuff h must be punished for his action against me !!!

U are seriously someone with 2 faces here.
I told u u are not unbanned on server. U started talking to me on steam stating this:

china Power -沉默de悲剧-: dontodo let me play please
china Power -沉默de悲剧-:
china Power -沉默de悲剧-: i have time
china Power -沉默de悲剧-: i have no shool today
DonTodo #: i cant let u keep playing. Its against the rules.
china Power -沉默de悲剧-: please
china Power -沉默de悲剧-: (((
china Power -沉默de悲剧-: ambrosia is best server of cs

This is rather pissing me off.
I can ban u PERM for evading right now.
Banned u twice already.


This was after your first ban.



As clearly u cant find it in logs because u dont talk in server because of that.

[Ezzα]

I think the ban is down to personal opinion although there is no rule stated for joining winning team its very fustrating to see one player always moving with the winning team. This is very very different to players who always like to play on one particular side e.g. i ALWAYS play as CT unless its full regardless of score.

However, i admit that i do dislike people who like to follow the winning team just to get there frags up.

[MNR[fp]]

That rule you quoted is used for reasonable grounds. My view of it is, there is no rule stating one should join loser team if they are the main winner on the opposite team.

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There are no unwritten rules in Ambrosia; if a rule is not published it is not a rule. Rules are carefully considered and decided upon and under no circumstances should you impose a rule that is not official.
I think people should freely choose what team they want to play on unless they were automatically transferred by server but then who says they must stay there? If I play a game, I want to play where I feel most comfortable at the end of the day, where I want to play... It should be a player choice.

If a good player [someone who has the skills to make the difference in the balance of a team] always joins the winning team then I will make sure this isn't always the case. Especially if he blatantly leaves the losing team to join the winning team. This way the game gets more imba.

So it's not entirely a players choice imo.

[Raven E II R]

It's a public server... It's not my problem if one were to join winning or loosing team... I would want to play in the team I want.

[SharkX69]

I do agree with Raven aswell.
All players have the right to join anytime to the team they wish as they are in server to have fun and play.
Admins can transfer someone for balance but then again if the player do not wish and returns back its not something that we can punish for the player.

[Makiavel]

As someone that moderates somewhere else, I always make sure to change team myself to balance the teams and if still unbalanced, I ask one of the players if he'd be willing to. You can't really force someone to and even if the rules go in your favor as an admin it's often annoying for someone to be forced against his will. If that player doesn't want to then ask someone else or find another way, banning him isn't a solution in this case. Rule 11. of DD2 is to have fun, yet through enforcing into a player an unwritten rule you are basically ruining the mood and creating an argument that shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Any proof of the "said flaming" aside from the Steam logs by the way ? I'm surprised they weren't brought up seeing how it was the reason for "extending the ban".

[thEnd]

Locked untill the dawn will come.

[Foreigner]

Guys come on unban him already.
I dont think it matters what Dontodo and ChinaPower spoke on steam, thats their own personal business. As far as ambrosia servers are concerned, China Power has been banned unfairly for 10 days, and I dont see why we should make him wait the entire 10 days for doing something (wtj) which is not even against the rules. Poor guy just wants to play, he can barely speak english and isnt interested in any politics.
Cheers.

[Grmbl]

Why is everyone talking about ban/unban? This is a complaint, not an unban request.

But anyhow, here we go.

wtj isnt punishable sinces there are no rules regarding this subject its more like an unwritten rule. We mostly rely on the players game ethics. If anyone decides to be unethical thats his choise, its like planting B when ur playing 2 vs 2. A Simple solution good be an auto balance pluging, but speaking from experience they tend to suck.

So the timed ban was a bit harsh taking in consideration that the player didnt break any written rules. what happened after that on Steam is outside this community, just block the player.

Altho you did banevade and misbehaved on steam I see no reason to keep you banned, I hope the unban panel will take my advice in consideration.

I dont see any reason for a hard punishment, the admin acted as a human being and there is nothing wrong with that. See this as a warning and dont let it happen in the future.

Solved

[`Firroth]

Don't mean to intrude but I would like to add some info which relates to this issue. Discussed here: http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=17722.0

It was established long ago that every player has the right to choose whichever team they want to play in..