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Recycling => National Archives => Server Archives => Topic started by: Cando on August 06, 2012, 08:30:20 pm
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Hi all.
I am complaining at a lot of players in this topic, which they don't get the vent rule and why we made the vent rule.
For example: in jb_rehab_b1 map when you get inside the vent, CT's says vent time 30 seconds. which means you have to get out from the vent, and once we get out CT's kills us... whats the point of that?
What I mean is:
-If I stay inside the vent, the 30 seconds will finish and ill get killed by an Officar.
-If I get out from the vent ull face a CT in the KZ room (in rehab map) and he will kill you.
So we are dead at all?
Can I know whats the point of that? and how can we solve this problem?
Thanks.
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Don't go in the vent.
Problem Solved + Locked thnx cya
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If you are in vent it means you rebel so why you complain when they kill you ::)
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To both spaff and snap... what is the point of the vent rule at all then?
The whole point of the vent rule is give the t an opportunity to retreat from a rebel.
If we just get killed anyway then the rule should be removed.
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To both spaff and snap... what is the point of the vent rule at all then?
The whole point of the vent rule is give the t an opportunity to retreat from a rebel.
If we just get killed anyway then the rule should be removed.
But how about rebelling rule then?
Ofc he's trying to rebel if he goes inside the vent.
Rules making no sense.
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If you go inside the vent, you can go to others zones of the map, as for example the gunroom, so 30sec are good to rebel, in addition, the ct can choose between kill you or leave you with life xD so the rule is good
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sometimes (depends on cts), u can go out only if u dont touch any gun..
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Then why give tero 30 seconds for the vent? why just get inside it and kill them?
I suggest if we got out of the vent before the 30 second finishes we should not be killed, otherwise no reason for the vent rule.
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Well Thats a good point 1st of all fat boi :D (thats what me and him call eachother) but some cts/admins say that the starting bit of the vent in jail_rehab_b1 is not the vent so that means they can fk anyone who didnt make it to the vent?
So in the rules we should tell people that in jail_rehab_b1 you can either kill em in that part or not kill em in that part because today i raged at some admins like numidis,destroy sama because the said that that is not a part of the vent......
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for example jb_snow...when a t goes in the vent to got to the roof and the ct sees him,the ct cant shoot...this way the t has an opportunity to rebel...if the t comes back the ct can choose to kill him or let him live simple :D
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for example jb_snow...when a t goes in the vent to got to the roof and the ct sees him,the ct cant shoot...this way the t has an opportunity to rebel...if the t comes back the ct can choose to kill him or let him live simple :D
For example, jb_snow has cell and this cell has a vent inside it, CTs says vent 30 seconds when u get out they simply kill u.. its unfair.
This rule doesnt apply in all maps, because somevents can get u inside the gunroom.
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for example jb_snow...when a t goes in the vent to got to the roof and the ct sees him,the ct cant shoot...this way the t has an opportunity to rebel...if the t comes back the ct can choose to kill him or let him live simple :D
For example, jb_snow has cell and this cell has a vent inside it, CTs says vent 30 seconds when u get out they simply kill u.. its unfair.
This rule doesnt apply in all maps, because somevents can get u inside the gunroom.
life is unfair, what are you gonna do about it...ct can choose is he wants to kill you or not ^^
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Pretty sure spaff and snap solved the topic, don't risk since you will die in both cases
If u remove vent they will camp in that vent for a lonnnng time, until a ct gets bored and starts to sleep on the job
If u remove rebel rule(connected with vent rebelling) you get all-access pass to anywhere on the map
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What is wrong with you guys, admins and players? You dont know the rules or what? The rule is more then clear.
But i will explain it as i see many ppl cant understand it.
If the CT say that you have 30 sec to leave the vent or he will kill you this thing means that if you dont leave it in 30 sec you die. BUT if you leave it before the 30 sec pass this means CT is not allowed to kill you. If he does kill you then you get a FD.
Simple - Cts say: Leave the vent in 30 sec or you die. Then as i said Ts have to leave it or they will die if they stay in.
Solved and Locked
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Just to reiterate monsters point... if ct's give the T's 30 seconds to get out of the vent, it is essentially allowing the T to join back in the game without being killed.
You can however, decide not to give the 30 seconds to get out of the vent, let the T stay in there until he decides to want to rebel and comes out, and then kill for rebelling :D (i think)
Am i right in saying this monster?
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Sorry for unlocking this topic but I dont agree with this.
Just because the T went in the vent I must spare him? If he couldnt manage to escape and i got him on the other side of the vent it means he failed rebelling. Not that I mean it should be removed since it helps the Ts because if it was removed i could shoot inside and they got no chance. The rule should not be "30 seconds to leave the vent" but "30 seconds until i go inside"!
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The 30 seconds was to give a chance to T to find a way to get out of there and continue the rebell
They rebelled they are allowed to be killed the T in any circumstances(given that he spent more than 30 secs in vent)
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Sorry for unlocking this topic but I dont agree with this.
Just because the T went in the vent I must spare him? If he couldnt manage to escape and i got him on the other side of the vent it means he failed rebelling. Not that I mean it should be removed since it helps the Ts because if it was removed i could shoot inside and they got no chance. The rule should not be "30 seconds to leave the vent" but "30 seconds until i go inside"!
But then what is the point in the vent rule at all?
Why is there any need to give 30 seconds to get out of the vent, if either way hes going to be killed?
Would be simpler and save CT's breath to not even bother to give vent time and just kill.
And i think more importantly, the CT's can easily get in position to be able to block the T from rebelling via vents, on any map.
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Sorry for unlocking this topic but I dont agree with this.
Just because the T went in the vent I must spare him? If he couldnt manage to escape and i got him on the other side of the vent it means he failed rebelling. Not that I mean it should be removed since it helps the Ts because if it was removed i could shoot inside and they got no chance. The rule should not be "30 seconds to leave the vent" but "30 seconds until i go inside"!
Yeah +1
"30 seconds until I come inside and !*#^!%#!* you :D"
And smit,If a ct say "Vent 30 sec" you can stay there and get killed or you have 30 seconds to continue your rebel and find a way to escape from the Ct's.
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Sorry for unlocking this topic but I dont agree with this.
Just because the T went in the vent I must spare him? If he couldnt manage to escape and i got him on the other side of the vent it means he failed rebelling. Not that I mean it should be removed since it helps the Ts because if it was removed i could shoot inside and they got no chance. The rule should not be "30 seconds to leave the vent" but "30 seconds until i go inside"!
Yeah +1
"30 seconds until I come inside and !*#^!%#!* you :D"
And smit,If a ct say "Vent 30 sec" you can stay there and get killed or you have 30 seconds to continue your rebel and find a way to escape from the Ct's.
and the flip side to that is... ct's wait there until 30 seconds are over...is impossible to be able to rebel even if you wanted to or not.
As i said the ct's have more than enough time to go and guard the vent exits and guide the T's back to wherever events are occuring.
Either way, deal with the vent rule as it is and stop freekilling, or persuade Monster to remove the vent rule, they are your 2 options.
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Sorry but I dont agree ..sometimes in some maps that the vents are inside the cells the CT's cant do anything to stop T or guard the vents because the vents are inside the cells.
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This is jail after all. Prisoners who try to escape are being punished. The vent is way to escape and the vent rule gives them safety inside for 30 seconds. If they are noobs and get caught its their problem, nobody forced them to get in the vent :)
Also in some maps like jb_snow if you manage to go in the vent for the roof CTs cant stop you, without the rule they will just shoot you so i think its better for Ts with the rule however If they fail is their fault
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This is jail after all. Prisoners who try to escape are being punished. The vent is way to escape and the vent rule gives them safety inside for 30 seconds. If they are noobs and get caught its their problem, nobody forced them to get in the vent :)
Also in some maps like jb_snow if you manage to go in the vent for the roof CTs cant stop you, without the rule they will just shoot you so i think its better for Ts with the rule however If they fail is their fault
Exactly ..You can think it like in real prisons when the guards see that someone is missing they active the alarm so the prisoner/s has a few minutes/seconds to escape or he will face the punishment
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On jail_greytown think is the map in which CT ususally gives 30 sec to vent, and then ct will camp in gunroom for 30 sec's.
If terrorist is mostly near gunroom, he wont have enough time to leave from cell side, and if he comes from gunroom and even when he drops in gunroom he just looks down and drops the gun, the CT will kill him.
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Can someone who disagrees with me and Monster tell me... why do we have a vent rule?
Snap you said The vent is way to escape and the vent rule gives them safety inside for 30 seconds... Hardly true when either way your getting killed.
and Weed, this is cs not real life.
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Just to reiterate monsters point... if ct's give the T's 30 seconds to get out of the vent, it is essentially allowing the T to join back in the game without being killed.
You can however, decide not to give the 30 seconds to get out of the vent, let the T stay in there until he decides to want to rebel and comes out, and then kill for rebelling :D (i think)
Am i right in saying this monster?
This post is explaining all. We have always been playing like this and i dont see a problem with it. The rule will stay like this. And as i said: If the CT say 30 sec to leave the vent. This means that you have rebeled but he is giving you a chance. He is giving you 30 sec to give up with the rebeling and get out of the vent. After this 30 sec as you keep rebeling while staying in he will get in the vent and killl you. So this 30 sec are your last chance to come and DONT die.
Also what i do and many others do. If i see some1 in the vent and i want to kill him. I dont give 30 sec vent time. Then ofc depends on the map i hide on the other part of the vent and when he comes out i kill him for rebeling. Which means if i had told him that he has 30 sec time to go out i wasnt going to kill him as i gave him a chance.
27. Officers cannot go inside the vents or kill prisoners hiding in the vents, unless it's a Special Day or HNS Day.
Officers must warn all the prisoners who are camping in the vent that staying in the vent is prohibited. Prisoners
can camp in the vent for up to 30 seconds, if the prisoner is camping in the vent longer then 30 seconds,
officers can go inside the vent and kill the prisoner without a warning (grenades allowed).
As i said it is clear for me and we have been playing like this from long time ago.
Regards,
Monster
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27. Officers cannot go inside the vents or kill prisoners hiding in the vents, unless it's a Special Day or HNS Day.
Officers must warn all the prisoners who are camping in the vent that staying in the vent is prohibited. Prisoners
can camp in the vent for up to 30 seconds, if the prisoner is camping in the vent longer then 30 seconds,
officers can go inside the vent and kill the prisoner without a warning (grenades allowed).
i doesnt say you have to give him time to come out...just wait for 30 seconds without telling him to come out and kill him----> "kill the prisoner without a warning"
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Answer on main question.
If a CT gives you 30 seconds to come out of the vent and when you do within 30 seconds, you get killed, then it is a freekill and you should receive a FD.
If a CT gives you 30 seconds and says that you can only come out (rehab example) in the cell only, but you come out in KZ within 30 seconds and get killed, it's not a FK.
If a CT states 30 seconds and you don't come out by the time, you get killed in the vent, although if you went out in KZ and CT saw you after 30 seconds and killed you then it's a freekill.
I think the issue here is that CT's forget that they give 30 sec for prisoner in the vent and when they remember your dead already specially by another CT who didn't gave command, but was not listening or thought you were rebelling which you were, but had another chance to come back. CT's expect you to come back to cage in 30 sec not just go out of the vent, but then again that's vent for you.
Regarding Vent it self. I agree with Smit here, we shouldn't need a vent rule, it is complicating and frustrates a lot of people.
On the other note, I disagree that a T can go back in the vent and if CT already said 30 seconds then he should not need to say 30 seconds again, it's time wasting and annoying.
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IF there wasnt a vent rule,there would be point in having vents on the maps either :p
On the majority of the maps, the ct's can be at the exit of the vent before the T. If there isnt a vent rule, the T is dead, and every time the use of the vent will be pointless.
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Wrong Smit, vent is a hiding space, it's supposed to be used if your skilled enough to use it. Not every time you can escape through the vent, but not every time CT can watch over vents all the time.
What if we destroy the old vent rule and make a new one? CT cannot enter vents until the very end when 1 T is alive and some are missing which can be executed if they don't come in certain given time? Just an idea, maybe we can make this more enjoyable, maybe not dunno.
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We have been playing like that for long time and i like it. I dont think we need to change the rule for now.
Also ED said all for the 3rd time about the vent rule. Btw am still amazed how admins dont know the rules... TY ED for the good explanations. ;)
And eddy to your question: "Officers must warn all the prisoners who are camping in the vent that staying in the vent is prohibited."
This is a part of the rule. And if you dont give him time and he comes out then it is rebeling and you can kill him with no warning shots.
Regards,
Monster
Topic Solved and Locked
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Moved to archive
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I've noticed CT's will just say Vent 30 seconds at the start of the day, however they got no clue if someone is in the vent or anything.
Then, Later on if some Terrorist escapes and find him self in the vent, and then CT's will just kill that Prisoner.
I think there should be something like, if CT didn't saw/Don't Know if someone is in the vent, they can't say vent 30 seconds.
As then it just spoils the game, as they will say on start of round, and if someone enter's later, he get's killed.
Also, Many times Ct's say vent 30 sec's and everyone is in the cage.
Also, many times CTs say vent 30 seconds, and never check the vent.
Also, Many times CT's just see someone going to vent, and say vent 30 seconds, and if the person escapes and another person later on finds himself in vent, they kill the other person.
I request to the headadmin, please guide me if those things which i justified here on this post are legel? And if not, then can you please fix some rules?
-Thanks
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Btw, add the exception in jail_Desert as ct's can't pass the hidden room without going inside the vent, cuz they will die if they go straight in it.
Anyways, silver i hardly see this incident that when person A says 30 seconds in vent, and when person B kills him. Usually if the ct remembers his name or his model will shout to not kill him. There is no way for Person B to know if that was the t who the commander given time to get out