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Recycling => National Archives => Suggestions Archive => Topic started by: Burzum on May 01, 2012, 11:09:19 pm
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in link u can see better description, this plug kicks u if u play 16 bits
http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1109981 (http://\\\"http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=1109981\\\")
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Good suggestion Burzum
The problem with players that want to take advantage with 16 bit to have a good score must be finished once and forever.
I strongly support this plugin or any other solution.
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Didnt get the problem really where 16bit is better then 24 or 32? More bits is more colors and visuals right?
And adding this will make sure you will have a low amount of players, it will kick peole wih very old computers that cant run 32 bit colors or computers that dont even support 32 bits
No support, the game is made to support both color bitdepths and it should stay like it!
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Didnt get the problem really where 16bit is better then 24 or 32? More bits is more colors and visuals right?
And adding this will make sure you will have a low amount of players, it will kick peole wih very old computers that cant run 32 bit colors or computers that dont even support 32 bits
No support, the game is made to support both color bitdepths and it should stay like it!
the problem is, if u play 16 u see through smoke, and u got an advantage, its like ex_interp 0.01
my pc is 5 or 6 years old and can support 32 bits... (AMD 3200 Ghz, 2Mb RAM, nvidia geforce 6600....)
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sorry, ddint read that mod.
still no support cuz people aim to play fast after a long day and not taking tests.
and most people dont have monster pc's, arne has a crap pc also.
and the problem is that most videocards from 2003 cant run 32 bits, and software runs crap on 32bits mode... and not all people have a same aged computer, hey have pc's from 1999 or 2000, my computer is originaly from 2003 and ive kept renewing parts and the only think that is from 2003 is my cd-drive for music and my datadrive full of crap xD
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Didnt get the problem really where 16bit is better then 24 or 32? More bits is more colors and visuals right?
And adding this will make sure you will have a low amount of players, it will kick peole wih very old computers that cant run 32 bit colors or computers that dont even support 32 bits
No support, the game is made to support both color bitdepths and it should stay like it!
Deniz 32bit colour depth is big disadvantage to those playing with 32bit. You can see though the smokes easily even when the whole area is covered with them.
I have been playing cs since 1999 and you really need to play on caltulator of some kind if you cannot have 32bit colour depth because of your fps droping down.
I used to play cs on computer - AMD Duron 700Mhz, Ge-force 2 MX 64MB, 512MB RAM memory. And my fps was fine and stable with 32 bits.
If there are players with even a lower pc components you talking probable about very few people of all the community.
Every league, tournament, LAN event require you to play with 32bits. And it's simple. Smoke grenades are to use in game for the enemy being unable to see though. Otherwise where is the point even buying when?
I have checked this plugin out as I saw it on few servers and it only takes you about 5 seconds to complete and you are ready to play. And I think 5 seconds is not a big sacrifice so all players have the same conditions and therefore are equal to each other.
Conclusion: This plugin has my BIG SUPPORT!
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sorry, ddint read that mod.
still no support cuz people aim to play fast after a long day and not taking tests.
and most people dont have monster pc's, arne has a crap pc also.
and the problem is that most videocards from 2003 cant run 32 bits, and software runs crap on 32bits mode... and not all people have a same aged computer, hey have pc's from 1999 or 2000, my computer is originaly from 2003 and ive kept renewing parts and the only think that is from 2003 is my cd-drive for music and my datadrive full of crap xD
vis my above comment
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the problem is, if u play 16 u see through smoke, and u got an advantage, its like ex_interp 0.01
my pc is 5 or 6 years old and can support 32 bits...
I think u mean ex_interp 0.1 but anyways ,i have tried playing with 16bits and i can see the smoke (even if i force it in launch options).
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Deniz 32bit colour depth is big disadvantage to those playing with 32bit. You can see though the smokes easily even when the whole area is covered with them.
I have been playing cs since 1999 and you really need to play on caltulator of some kind if you cannot have 32bit colour depth because of your fps droping down.
I used to play cs on computer - AMD Duron 700Mhz, Ge-force 2 MX 64MB, 512MB RAM memory. And my fps was fine and stable with 32 bits.
If there are players with even a lower pc components you talking probable about very few people of all the community.
Every league, tournament, LAN event require you to play with 32bits. And it's simple. Smoke grenades are to use in game for the enemy being unable to see though. Otherwise where is the point even buying when?
I have checked this plugin out as I saw it on few servers and it only takes you about 5 seconds to complete and you are ready to play. And I think 5 seconds is not a big sacrifice so all players have the same conditions and therefore are equal to each other.
Conclusion: This plugin has my BIG SUPPORT!
there are certain videocards that cant use 32-bits colormode.
and by adding this removes alot of players like i said before, they just want to play and not do a damn test...
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there are certain videocards that cant use 32-bits colormode.
and by adding this removes alot of players like i said before, they just want to play and not do a damn test...
How many people in nowadays has a machines that doesn't support 32bit colour depth? As I mentioned earlier you can easily get 100fps in 32bit mode on machines built around 1999 onwards.
And again the actual test will take you few seconds I have past it quite few times.
A BIG question is would you prefer that everyone has a same (equal) conditions on our servers for those very very few people that cannot run a game in 32bit video mode?
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As how much I would like the game fair and equal, I must agree with Deniz, no one really want's to do any tests. We are free for all community join and play. If I coming home from work wanting to play some dd2 I would be annoyed by this test specially every single time. Also a lot of pc's who run on 16 bit doesn't see any difference, there are very few who can see through the smoke. You know, maybe just remove smoke? I am lagging with smoke, lets remove it? See I am minority and best is to leave this in the dust.
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Integrated graphic cards work with better performance @ 16bits .
That with the smokes is kinda false , only when the smokes are set on "fast - low quality" you can see smth , and if there are more then one smokes on the ground u don't see thru them like @ 32bit .
So , this whole thing is not very important in my opinion .
This is a little bit like with the ex_interp thing .
Better watch for them wallhackers and aimboters .
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I was kicked from a german server yesterday due to this plugin. I didnt quite understand what it wanted since i could see all the pictures clearly so i pressed some random numbers which resulted in me being kicked LOL
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16bits are CHEATERS. but when i had my laptop and bad fps, having 16bit to 32 bit helped me dramatically in terms of lagging. with 32 bit and 20fps, your screen will basically freeze and fps will drop to 2-5. with 16bit and 20fps nothing will happen and you can just stroll through it. now i have a great PC which is basically like a FBI PC cos its so sick and powerful i'd love to have this plugin. to all you 16bitters - http://www.sk-gaming.com/group/3339 (http://\\\"http://www.sk-gaming.com/group/3339\\\")
it really does give you a MAJOR advantage though for smokes. i used to enjoy dropping a smoke down on 16bit purely so i could bash people through it and they couldn't see me at all. if you use 16bit in a league or ESL or tournament, it's a guarenteed default loss for your team because of the advantage it gives you. that being said you can tailor your graphics card to have the same effect as 16bit while being on 32bit so it will never be fully clean
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I was kicked from a german server yesterday due to this plugin. I didnt quite understand what it wanted since i could see all the pictures clearly so i pressed some random numbers which resulted in me being kicked LOL
Then you play 16 bit too ;-)
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But seriously why don't u you guys just all set it on 16bit then? Is does not matter that much, with 2 smokes or more you can't see shit anyway.
I play 16 bit since I was born and I will keep it.. 640x480 on 16bit is just the best. And it's something that you can change with your mouse in the options, that should not be illegal. In my opninion everything you can change ingame should not be illegal.
Besides, I can assure you that over 50% of all top15 players use the smoke.spr so a smoke grenade will look like a fart. If you continue using this plugin I bet the number will only increase..
No support!
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No idea that im playing on 16bit. I didnt quite understand the task so i pressed the buttons randomly and got kicked. Im pretty sure im on 32bit though
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spekbinder 0% of pro players will use sprites because every single anti cheat in the world will pick it up. in a tournament site i previously adminned having that would get you an instant perm ban from the site for cheating. smoke sprites are dealt with the same way as wallhack in leagues and tournaments
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If this was esl i would agree
But when is not when you have like non-steamers, and wooden pc users...
Like me, im not using 16bit mode, but is rly laggy when you have like 200 guys in semiclip on me
So in cases when you have more guys i will be using 16 bit...
No support
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I guess I will have to agree with you guys. It was worth discussing though. This is not ESL and as you stated I can always change it to 16bit...
Are we done here? (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png)
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spekbinder 0% of pro players will use sprites because every single anti cheat in the world will pick it up. in a tournament site i previously adminned having that would get you an instant perm ban from the site for cheating. smoke sprites are dealt with the same way as wallhack in leagues and tournaments
im not talking about pro's/lans/esl but about the top15 of d2 server :D
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force EAC on the server, problem solved
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the test is very easy and fast, only need 5 secs
there are 15 boxes, 3 different, u must find what 3 boxes are different. u can only see the different boxes if u play 32 bits. if u play 16 u see all boxes the same, so if u dont press the 3 right boxes ur kicked from server
u were kicked from Berlin headquarters ?¿ i saw the plug in that server
maybe the 1st day u see the plug u can be confused, but its very easy to get and very fast to complete
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lame plugin if you have to shoot boxes most people on that server won't even be able to tell you what they had for breakfast. better to just install some anti-cheat plug in somehow. i've always like the SS tool where admins can take SS's and then when applying for unban request they have to upload them
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yea amx_ss is a good plugin against most lamers/cheaters, but the real hacks don't show up on the screenshots..
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Yeah it is good plugin..But I hate it when i pops out before I start play :D..Well I love sixteen bitters..When I have smoked mid and 2 smoke there.. One guy shoots me head back of smoke :D
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lame plugin if you have to shoot boxes most people on that server won't even be able to tell you what they had for breakfast. better to just install some anti-cheat plug in somehow. i've always like the SS tool where admins can take SS's and then when applying for unban request they have to upload them
that plugin was here some time ago, and only got troubles. u must explain ppl where and how to upload the SS (most of players dont know even how to post a proper unban request...) and a lot of players would say they lost the SS, or they deleted all useless files from his folder.... or a lot of excuses to dont upload the SS..... the best way to catch cheaters is record demos.
but that is not the point, the point is: the "legal" is play with 32 bits, with this plug u are forcing to players to play in 32
i put the example of the ex_interp, the "legal" is play 0.01... a lot of servers forces u to reconfig ur rates also, like cl_updaterate. why not a plug that forces u to play 32 bits, or ex_interp 0.01 ¿?¿?¿?
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don't think you even understand what you're talking about. things like cmdrate are dependant on your FPS to set the right settings. interp is an issue and most people are interpers in ambrosia but most of them will use the high ping as a reason for that and i dont think you can force the interp as usually it will update automatically in accordance with the rates unless its in the launch settings. ive never seen a plugin which forces 32bits, and if people are really noob i doubt they'd understand the system or even how to change their colour settings to 32. plus, some graphic cards can still be tailored. i know people who are on 32bit but have tailored their graphics card to make it look like 16bit smoke so it won't rid the problem if people are really wanting to use it. my 32bit on my dads pc and mine is a lot different, 32bit on my dads looks like 16bit on my own pc so there are other factors involved as well
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I totally hate this plugin
If i make my Vid 16 bit my CS will crash and never open so i need to reinstall it again
Not every one has a good PC
Keep that on Mind
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don't think you even understand what you're talking about. things like cmdrate are dependant on your FPS to set the right settings. interp is an issue and most people are interpers in ambrosia but most of them will use the high ping as a reason for that and i dont think you can force the interp as usually it will update automatically in accordance with the rates unless its in the launch settings. ive never seen a plugin which forces 32bits, and if people are really noob i doubt they'd understand the system or even how to change their colour settings to 32. plus, some graphic cards can still be tailored. i know people who are on 32bit but have tailored their graphics card to make it look like 16bit smoke so it won't rid the problem if people are really wanting to use it. my 32bit on my dads pc and mine is a lot different, 32bit on my dads looks like 16bit on my own pc so there are other factors involved as well
actually cl_updaterate will only force ex_interp to the right value if it's ex_interp 0
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it should only stay at a particular setting if you have it in your launch options to make it stick, otherwise if you change your updaterate it should force it up to the right setting which is pretty much what i said
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I totally agree with deniz ,No support.
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Ty for the suggestion, for now this is rejected, there is not a big deal and we would kick many new members who are not even aware of it. In that way we will be losing new members. And cheaters can be spotted with other things, this is only a small thing for them.
If you have further suggestion please enlighten us.
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Ty for the suggestion, for now this is rejected, there is not a big deal and we would kick many new members who are not even aware of it. In that way we will be losing new members. And cheaters can be spotted with other things, this is only a small thing for them.
If you have further suggestion please enlighten us.
this ^ ... >:(
Man in dd2 and classic that is so frustrating. Do you realize why many bot level players are crying for downgrade?! 16bit is one of them, as that is giving a huge advantage as you know main peak spots are smoked almost all the time. And 16 bit player have a huge advantage over 32 biter. One day valve will make it good. But for now as servers needs some boost bots then this suggestion is good for our clanwar server AND upcoming AMBROSIA CUPS :)
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For now the plug-in is rejected because we will only lose new members who are not aware of the kick-engine we would install.
Plus admins contribute very good in this area.
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I was talking only about clan war server..