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Title: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: drn on July 25, 2017, 11:38:26 pm

Playername:    Sober-Guy HEROIN ON

Steam-ID (If Possible):    STEAM_0:1:6218944

Server/Forum:    Dust2 Only

Date & Time:    25/07/2017 23.25

Complaint:    What happens when a good player uses silent aim? I present "Sober-Guy".

He doesnt use nades, he forgets to buy kits, the only gun he reliably scores headshots with is the deagle, strange how thats a setting most silent aimers like to use. Every other gun he seens to lockon to center chest with unerring accuracy, never missing a drag spray.

And to cap it all off he locks on to a headshot while a target is jumping across his vision, whilst spraying at another target.

This is silent aim. A good player with an old account true. But this is textbook silent aim.

Evidence (screenshots, demos...):    Demo:  http://www.mediafire.com/file/jj63b3eta3tj019/soberawp.zip

Ticker timer: View point starting at 22:14

Watch the insta lockon to the secondary target at 22.25.

It's clear as day and there's no refuting it. Lockon and snap to head whilst spraying at another target.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: drn on July 25, 2017, 11:39:07 pm
Watch the demo. Watch the round indicated (towards end of demo). Then respond. Thanks.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2017, 12:25:08 am
ooooo Must watch this. Will watch it tomorrow! No solving this one @Report Panellists! 
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: SilverQuick on July 26, 2017, 02:11:45 am
Looks like a silent aim to me obviously never misses the target no matter what the situation and the position, I've seen these actions more often from Sober, but I always thought it was a matter of luck and so on, but seeing this demo I would say it's a silent aim he's using plus, it's true that he never buys nades (grenades) only uses smoke, flash and he never tries to plant c4 nor to defuse it as well, what kind of player is he really? such a weirdo gameplay which makes the theory more solide that he's using it somehow besides I'v always knew drn he's quite a good and an experienced player and knows who's cheating and who's not and never accuses somebody just like that.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Hajrulla on July 26, 2017, 02:22:14 am
Is there a program which you can view demos without having CS installed?
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: BuddyTrollsten on July 26, 2017, 02:30:59 am
Is there a program which you can view demos without having CS installed?
We can take humans to the moon, we can land our rovers on mars, we have sent satellites to other planets, and far away beyond the kepier belt, but we cannot view demos of counter-strike without having the game files :(
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: drn on July 26, 2017, 02:39:16 am
I use the complexity demo player to review and organise my demos more easily. You'll need 1.6 installed though to actually watch them  eLemennT. Remember to use "viewdemo" not "playdemo" so you can jump to the ticker timer you want exactly.

Silverquick can you edit your post to remove the name of the cheat being used, we aren't here to advertise for them. His is well setup with a narrow lock-on window for the aim assist, looking like about 10-12° of his crosshair, and it's kicking in after his 3rd bullet in a spray with a rifle. With awp and deagle it's got a wider window set more like 15-20° but kicks in on the first bullet. It's also set to a hard cap of no more that 20% headshots, always found it slightly funny when he's got 90+ kills yet less headshots than me at two thirds his overall kills. God like aim but doesnt seem to want to aim for headshots... was one of the alarm bells.

I was lucky to catch this lock-on, with the secondary target appearing just inside his assist window whilst he was shooting at the first target but its an obvious silent aim kill. You can even see him shake the mouse afterwards to recenter himself after he lost control of the spray to the autoaim, similar to how you will sometimes see good players do after a missed burst or awp shot. But this wasn't a missed burst, it was a surgically precise spray that looked well undercontrol, so why shake the mouse?
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: SilverQuick on July 26, 2017, 02:47:47 am
Silverquick can you edit your post to remove the name of the cheat being used, we aren't here to advertise for them. His is well setup with a narrow lock-on window for the aim assist, looking like about 10-12° of his crosshair, and it's kicking in after his 3rd bullet in a spray with a rifle. With awp and deagle it's got a wider window set more like 15-20° but kicks in on the first bullet.
You're right, edited thanks for the note.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: silex™ on July 26, 2017, 08:42:16 am
Just checked the demo, man that's silent aim for sure, with my experience in 1.6 i can say that's it, there is no other explanation, espcially if you watch the demo in slow motion, when shooting the first guy he instantly switched to the second (lower tunnel), that's cheat don't try to say otherwise.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Bahnam Ayoub on July 26, 2017, 09:01:21 am
Watch the demo. Watch the round indicated (towards end of demo). Then respond. Thanks.

plz show us the demo too i want to watch it how to watch it? i do evry thing to watch it
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Qion~ on July 26, 2017, 09:15:34 am
you know what? i was playing with him and he was good at game but i never think that he is using aim
i wish he is clean , or if he is not clean :| .. i just will say to him : shame on you  :D
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: DayLighttt on July 26, 2017, 09:40:56 am
plz show us the demo too i want to watch it how to watch it? i do evry thing to watch it

Download the demo:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/jj63b3eta3tj019/soberawp.zip
Put it in your cstrike folder, open your game, type in your console viewdemo "demoname"
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Zz. on July 26, 2017, 09:44:29 am
Hi guys , i was there yesterday  , and i smelled bullshit too , maybe this will help !

(https://gifyu.com/images/sober5.gif)
 (https://gifyu.com/images/sober4.gif)
(https://gifyu.com/images/sober3.gif)



take a look at the watch on the demo , he adjust his aim in less than 10ms...

Now let me be clear i am not 100% sure that this is a silent aim , because we all know that he's very  skilled , and most skilled players hate cheats , i may be wrong tho , what do you think ?
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Andrew` on July 26, 2017, 09:46:34 am
I wanna watch it too, and considering I've been doing this for about 10 years I think I'd be able to contribute. What I gotta say to Sober is oh boy, if you're actually cheating then prepare your hole, boy! :D
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: PoxY on July 26, 2017, 10:07:53 am
Hi guys , i was there yesterday  , and i smelled bullshit too , maybe this will help !

(https://gifyu.com/images/sober5.gif)
 (https://gifyu.com/images/sober4.gif)
(https://gifyu.com/images/sober3.gif)



take a look at the watch on the demo , he adjust his aim in less than 10ms...

Now let me be clear i am not 100% sure that this is a silent aim , because we all know that he's very  skilled , and most skilled players hate cheats , i may be wrong tho , what do you think ?

demo showing silent aim but not at 100% but this one it confirm everything  8)
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Zz. on July 26, 2017, 10:19:12 am
i knew that if i post these shots , i will dig his grave  :D , but to be honest it's kinda sad ,  it was a good challenge playing against him.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Ninja Assassin on July 26, 2017, 10:33:37 am
I wish i could contribute as well but.... I have more serious business to take care of in real life. We all know sober is a good player but never thought he could actually use cheats. That was harsh. And the facts that Zz. Posted could actually prove that he is silent aim.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Sober-Guy on July 26, 2017, 10:59:31 am
LOL :D
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: DayLighttt on July 26, 2017, 11:05:52 am
LOL :D

Good way to defend your self, unless you are really hacking and have nothing to say.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Sober-Guy on July 26, 2017, 11:11:18 am
Good way to defend your self, unless you are really hacking and have nothing to say.
Why should I defend myself over something I'm not? :D I'm just laughing at these newbies (fanboys) lol.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: cruzN on July 26, 2017, 12:25:50 pm
The Curious Case of Sober :)
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: dAmss.MSI on July 26, 2017, 01:04:35 pm
Knew  that it would happend, will watch the demo carefully as soon as I be home
Well played drn x)
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Russian Bear Of GG Land GG on July 26, 2017, 01:24:38 pm
Yeah hi is a hucker i alredy get thid long time ago yust wase wait till finaly someon will get him he he nice Damsi !! Good job!!!
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Ryan~ on July 26, 2017, 01:43:10 pm
Kindly avoid such spam "lol,roflsobad etc", let's put this on highstaff and wait for their decision, next one will be warned by staff for sure.
I will post my opinion soon, let me watch the demo first.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: YOU.HAVE.FAILED.THIS.CITY on July 26, 2017, 02:49:46 pm
demo showing silent aim but not at 100% but this one it confirm everything  8)
What? These gifs are from the demo itself played in different speeds.
Anyways, I'd suggest ya'll not to rush with your decision. Take some time, watch the demo 2, 3 and even 5 times if necessary before posting your opinion about it. Lets not forget that Sober is a no lifer who spent almost 3000 hours on cs and never got vacced. He was even ranked 1st in the awp ladder of esl 1 vs 1.
Please understand that I'm not defending him. I did watch the demo twice, but I still need to watch it again and again with different speeds before I can say anything about it and I expect you guys to do the same and then if you still have the same decision then great, at least you did your bit. But make sure you do it.(and surely the final decision goes to Eros since he decided to take this). No doubt drn is experienced, and I'm not underestimating any of those who posted already, you all are good players and I'm sure you have good experience, but still I'd recommend that we treat sensitive topics as such with responsibility and not let our "Ah I'm so experienced, I don't even need to watch it again" kind of ego take over.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: PoxY on July 26, 2017, 02:56:37 pm
What? These gifs are from the demo itself played in different speeds.
i know -_- just sayed that one confirm everything and yes it is an obv for me.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: BuddyTrollsten on July 26, 2017, 03:06:27 pm
I don't know, the GIFs don't really show much.
The first GIF is a normal spray, he notices the guy behind and sprays towards him as well.. he spray transfers, watching semi-pro CSGO players and they do this all the time, once you have your muscle memory spot on it isn't even close to hard to do.
2nd one is pretty simple to explain, tick rate, watch a low tick demo and you'll see this happen all the time, the only suspicious thing is the lock on to the face but come on really? Good muscle memory = good aim.
I don't see anything in the 3rd GIF at all, it's just a casual flick..
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: groentje on July 26, 2017, 04:57:46 pm
What? These gifs are from the demo itself played in different speeds.
Anyways, I'd suggest ya'll not to rush with your decision. Take some time, watch the demo 2, 3 and even 5 times if necessary before posting your opinion about it. Lets not forget that Sober is a no lifer who spent almost 3000 hours on cs and never got vacced. He was even ranked 1st in the awp ladder of esl 1 vs 1.
Please understand that I'm not defending him. I did watch the demo twice, but I still need to watch it again and again with different speeds before I can say anything about it and I expect you guys to do the same and then if you still have the same decision then great, at least you did your bit. But make sure you do it.(and surely the final decision goes to Eros since he decided to take this). No doubt drn is experienced, and I'm not underestimating any of those who posted already, you all are good players and I'm sure you have good experience, but still I'd recommend that we treat sensitive topics as such with responsibility and not let our "Ah I'm so experienced, I don't even need to watch it again" kind of ego take over.
Reading this irritates me...
First, sober has LOTS of afk hours, like 1/4 of his total cs hours is legit but im not saying he is a bad player.
2nd, 95% of ppl who commented here has no clue of different kind of aimbot so pls stop writing bullshit about yall opinion bout "silent-aim".
tbh I don't believe he is cheating but I will have to watch demo
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: PoxY on July 26, 2017, 05:07:57 pm
The spray is going down after 3-4 bullet you can clearly see that and i got another demo showing that to
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: groentje on July 26, 2017, 05:23:34 pm
Only fishy gameplay in the demo is the double kill @ lowertunnel. That spray transfer to the 2nd guy was way to smooth, the way his aim follows the 2nd guy's jumping body is just unnatural
Cheats like this are rly rly hard to catch, most of the kills assisted by aim hack = look legit.
After watching demo, I have to say drn is right bout this one.
+12yo acc which isn't even his (can tell by amount of friend+ games + hours)
+fake cs/cs go hours (i've seen it, he afk at the main menu.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Sober-Guy on July 26, 2017, 05:25:40 pm
Only fishy gameplay in the demo is the double kill @ lowertunnel. That spray transfer to the 2nd guy was way to smooth, the way his aim follows the 2nd guy's jumping body is just unnatural
Cheats like this are rly rly hard to catch, most of the kills assisted by aim hack = look legit.
After watching demo, I have to say drn is right bout this one.
+12yo acc which isn't even his (can tell by amount of friend+ games + hours)
+fake cs/cs go hours (i've seen it, he afk at the main menu.
Lol are you that stupid? :D How do you know it's afk hours? Did you even played with me? And  I don't even own multiple steam accs like you naab. :D
You're the one who should grow up and stop typing bullshits when you don't know a shit, fanboy.

Plus I've been played this game as much as your age (for over 14 years) unlike you newbie who own multiple steam accs. So stop being a fanboy.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Ninja Assassin on July 26, 2017, 05:31:02 pm
Lol are you that stupid? :D How do you know  it's afk hours? Did you even played with me? Well  I don't even own multiple steam accs like you naab. :D
You're the one who should grow up and stop typing bullshits when you don't know a shit, fanboy.
U havent learned yet? Insulting will only make your case worse. Or maybe u are hopeless ... Idk!
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: D3Y!!S on July 26, 2017, 06:54:54 pm
First of all this sober always gets more than 90 percent accuracy with all the weapons,and this is weired.  Secondly valve anticheat does not detect this kind of cheat so stop saying that he did not get vacban. (  http://www.wargods.ro/wcd/report.php?id=319401 (http://www.wargods.ro/wcd/report.php?id=319401)  )

Third watch this two demos:

first demo

https://nofile.io/f/RHn08OU3INj/ber.dem (https://nofile.io/f/RHn08OU3INj/ber.dem)

At 11:48  watch the cheat  lock on with awp use 1/4 speed.

At 14:35 He used bunnyhop to enter the base b (bunnyhop is not tolerated at server)

At 15:08 the shooting pattern with the ak is weired .

second demo

https://nofile.io/f/ibqKfnNHv4h/sober1.dem (https://nofile.io/f/ibqKfnNHv4h/sober1.dem)

At 5:46 use 1/4 demo speed Look well at the first tero,sober shot a single bullet that touched the enemy despite the fact that the crosshair is not on the target and even very far from him,After the bullet has touched the enemy the crosshair locked on him.

his shooting pattern is always perfect with any weapon and in any situation moving targets or in difficult elevations, so with his +60 ping i think this is impossible.

the conclusion is crystal clear this sober is using a Custom Cheat.


Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Sober-Guy on July 26, 2017, 07:02:35 pm
First of all this sober always gets more than 90 percent accuracy with all the weapons,and this is weired.  Secondly valve anticheat does not detect this kind of cheat so stop saying that he did not get vacban. (  http://www.wargods.ro/wcd/report.php?id=319401 (http://www.wargods.ro/wcd/report.php?id=319401)  )

Third watch this two demos:

first demo

https://nofile.io/f/RHn08OU3INj/ber.dem (https://nofile.io/f/RHn08OU3INj/ber.dem)

At 11:48  watch the cheat  lock on with awp use 1/4 speed.

At 14:35 He used bunnyhop to enter the base b (bunnyhop is not tolerated at server)

At 15:08 the shooting pattern with the ak is weired .

second demo

https://nofile.io/f/ibqKfnNHv4h/sober1.dem (https://nofile.io/f/ibqKfnNHv4h/sober1.dem)

At 5:46 use 1/4 demo speed Look well at the first tero,sober shot a single bullet that touched the enemy despite the fact that the crosshair is not on the target and even very far from him,After the bullet has touched the enemy the crosshair locked on him.

his shooting pattern is always perfect with any weapon and in any situation moving targets or in difficult elevations, so with his +60 ping i think this is impossible.

the conclusion is crystal clear this sober is using a Custom Cheat.
About the wargods, it always detect sXe-AntiCheat as Wallhack. So nice try fanboy.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2017, 07:17:38 pm
About the wargods, it always detect sXe-AntiCheat as Wallhack. So nice try fanboy.

How do you know?   ::)
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Jack-In-The BOX on July 26, 2017, 07:39:19 pm
I watched the demo, and yes it's clearly silent aim, just my opinion

good player with cheats, definitely not a good idea to try

Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Card Clasher on July 26, 2017, 08:12:36 pm
Lol are you that stupid? :D How do you know it's afk hours? Did you even played with me? And  I don't even own multiple steam accs like you naab. :D
You're the one who should grow up and stop typing bullshits when you don't know a shit, fanboy.

Plus I've been played this game as much as your age (for over 14 years) unlike you newbie who own multiple steam accs. So stop being a fanboy.

lol groentje is just as old as most of us old players lol.

Anyways I never had the urge nor was I ever curious to spectate you at all because I trusted your steam account. But what was always fishy to me is that no matter how good you are at the game sometimes you are going to have bad days. I know from myself sometimes I literally dont miss a single headshot ingame all night or I play normal.

You on the other hand what Roni stated once always have the same performance which is one of the fishiest shit ingame because here we don't have full server of noobs we have people that actually can kill you directly if you don't insta headshot/awp them out.

To be honest, I've known drn the entire time I've been around ambrosia. Maybe one of the most people I have scrimmed and played wars together was drn hence what made me view the entire demos posted.

@drn you just put a cherry on top of this topic :D
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: RAMBATEN on July 26, 2017, 08:25:10 pm
I not gonna waste my time to some turkish meatball...
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2017, 08:38:11 pm
For those who haven't watched the demo. Just posting it here drn, better that way. If you want me to remove it, I will.

Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Sober-Guy on July 26, 2017, 08:41:46 pm
For those who haven't watched the demo. Just posting it here drn, better that way. If you want me to remove it, I will.


Good fragmovie of me you got there boi.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: silex™ on July 26, 2017, 08:44:59 pm
Just stop talking, you are embrrassing yourself, checked those demos taken by D3, just getting worse, if that's not silent aim then you don't know anything about cs 1.6.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: X-KilleR on July 26, 2017, 08:47:13 pm
For those who haven't watched the demo. Just posting it here drn, better that way. If you want me to remove it, I will.



hahahahhahahah omg !!!  :D  :D  :D
what a s**t noob i always said this bot is cheating didn't have time to record and post demo, i swear i knew it , but everyone here  wouldn't believe ,hahahha, omg ban this noob for life please
 Yo sober AIM-ON, if you don't know drn , he is one of the best players in dd2 since years a, only good players can catch BS nab like you
well done drn ,give htat man a cookie
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: drn on July 26, 2017, 08:47:29 pm
Thats fine Ed. The unintended lock-on during the second kill at lower 40 seconds in is really clear. The demo is available if people don't like my crosshair colour or want to watch it in slow motion  :)
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: SilverQuick on July 26, 2017, 08:49:07 pm
Damn, watching this in slow motion sums it all. Silent Aim Detected! Busted!
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Sober-Guy on July 26, 2017, 09:06:13 pm
Wow so much hate against Sober-Guy. Didn't know I had many fans over here.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: D3Y!!S on July 26, 2017, 09:18:57 pm
Wow so much hate against Sober-Guy. Didn't know I had many fans over here.
You won the tournament with cheat, you have to give back the money and your forum rank should be removed.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Sober-Guy on July 26, 2017, 09:19:51 pm
@Ed ,  Isn't 100 euro plus 25 dollar going to make you look stupid? lmao
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: Ed on July 26, 2017, 09:20:50 pm
Upon examining the demo provided by Drn, it is indeed silent aimbot confirmation. Unnatural bullet patterns and movement of the suspect in hand. It is unfortunate for you Sober, but this is what happens when you cheat. Justice gets served one way or another. Your rank has been taken away from you and you are permanently banned on all 1.6 servers.

Since you are aware of your report, you can make an unban request after 6 month's and only if you have removed your illegal software.

@Ed ,  Isn't 100 euro plus 25 dollar going to make you look stupid? lmao

We all take risks in life, no regrets. You have done it by cheating, surely you are proud of it, but this is the game over now.
Title: Re: Report Player - Sober-Guy HEROIN ON - Dust2 Only
Post by: ~RoN on July 26, 2017, 10:15:43 pm
Upon examining the demo provided by Drn, it is indeed silent aimbot confirmation. Unnatural bullet patterns and movement of the suspect in hand. It is unfortunate for you Sober, but this is what happens when you cheat. Justice gets served one way or another. Your rank has been taken away from you and you are permanently banned on all 1.6 servers.

Since you are aware of your report, you can make an unban request after 6 month's and only if you have removed your illegal software.

We all take risks in life, no regrets. You have done it by cheating, surely you are proud of it, but this is the game over now.
Not only from cs 1.6 to be banned from other ambrosia servers too. Shame on you sober after all the trust you had from me. I am disappointed. You were a good one but now you have just lost all my trust in only 2 mins. You wont be able to participate even if you get unbanned in futur in any other évent or everything what we will organize in ambrosia.