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Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 10:38:03 am
Ambrosia Jailbreak rules!

 

When admin is online:



In game:



CT ratio to T optimally is 1:3 or 1:4, never 1:1 or 1:2.


In order to be CT:


Officers:


Officers must:



Officers can:

Prisoners:


Prisoners Should:

Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ren0k. on February 25, 2012, 10:52:52 am
Nice,

But should be official.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Yulia Tymoshenko on February 25, 2012, 10:55:09 am
Good Job Sami <3 ;)
Looks like everything is included there xD

Timmer
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 10:55:59 am
thanks, but needs more work on them, this is more or less a sketch on how it might look.

When I went through the official rules I was amazed of how much crap was there. I mean it was repeating on every sentence and I remember that some of the bits were a lot different since I an Popay worked on them.

Now I was working all morning on these, so to cut the crap out and see how it would look in a different format.

I need people to tell me what is wrong like, grammar, spelling or the main rule it self. So give ideas and help me you and everyone else out :)
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ande on February 25, 2012, 10:56:25 am
Great rules!
But I think Rules 9.1-9.4 are kinda useless
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 11:00:40 am
thanks..

well 9.1. is there because by general idea then T are not allowed to carry guns or risk being killed walking around with the gun. rest of them are just for fun :D so T have some rules too :D

But we can remove them simply.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: tαshαღ on February 25, 2012, 11:50:52 am
votekick is gone, and also must be able to have good knowledge of english should maybe go with the CT rules of microphone? and vent rule should be explained more saying that if another player goes into the vent then another 30 seconds have to be given
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 12:30:23 pm
u still can votekick by using the vote in console.
Am, pretty much the english level is not the barrier, I think everyone gets the chance no matter how good or bad is his/hers english.
About vent rule, you see CT cannot know whether another T jumps inside the vent, so we have always played that if CT says 30 seconds then no matter what vent he will go in after 30 sec. Although there's a glitch to it, if you see a T going in then you count 30 sec.. hmm you are right.. will add it later.  good spot Tasha.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Jason Bourne on February 25, 2012, 12:44:14 pm
Ts can lie...If its about a gun or something,
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: 'PL' on February 25, 2012, 01:04:02 pm
More painful reading...
Will edit it after i read the rules and compere the original.

Edit: Seems alright, but we do have to wait for a head admin if he wants these rules to be implemented, the golden rule is not anywhere here...
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 02:05:14 pm
Quote from: Jason Bourne on February 25, 2012, 12:44:14 pm
Ts can lie...If its about a gun or something,

Well that's why he risk to be killed, doesn't say that he can't do it (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png)


*PL* am the golden rule is within the do not do for CT: Don't do lame days or games.. I thought that way it is more easier so there are no restrictions to how you command and invent games as long as they are  fair. But yes I will think about it too.

And yes head admin. we need him too.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Mr-Dynamix on February 25, 2012, 02:20:52 pm
Nice Rules
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on February 25, 2012, 03:32:13 pm
I like the rues but there are some useless things and also some things which are disabled/removed from the server.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: SNap on February 25, 2012, 04:26:51 pm
I guess we will discuss it on admin meeting but first we need head admin(http://www.handandstar.co.uk/wp-content/plugins/star-rating-for-reviews/images/tiny-star.png)
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 04:39:37 pm
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some useless things and also some things which are disabled/removed from the server.

May I know what in your opinion is useless things and the ones disabled??
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Duke Devlin on February 25, 2012, 05:57:29 pm
Of topic: many people are makeing topics from a head admin?

On topic: Good rules Sami ;)
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: 'PL' on February 25, 2012, 08:15:54 pm
Quote from: DukeDevlin on February 25, 2012, 05:57:29 pm
Of topic: many people are makeing topics from a head admin?

On topic: Good rules Sami (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png)
Because jb is a duck raped by people without a head admin
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on February 25, 2012, 09:12:24 pm
2.5. …Use flashlights for no reason.  -   Werent the flashlights disabled?

2.13. …Cry for free day when you don’t have a free day. (Note* - Admins don’t give free days).  - to be more clear i think you must change it to: Admins don't give free days, only CTs do)  because i think that way will be much more easyer for a new guy to understand who he has to ask about a free day

4.6. …Go in vents unless it is HNS or Special day. Otherwise you must give 30 second warning by microphone or by typing in chat. - I think you must add that CTs can give the 30 sec vent time only if they see a T in the vent.

8.2. …Remember that CT commands cannot be cheated, swim means swim and run means run. -  also i dont think this is very clear too

There are some more little changes which i think must be done but this are the main,

Also i dont really like the way you make the rules i mean they are good but a bit idk how to say it, it is maybe a bit un clear/less explained or something. For example you say: CT do not: then all they rules which they must not break. It is ok but it is a bit unclear maybe i am such kind of person which likes having more stuff in the rules not only example: Kill your team m8s for me it must be CTs are not allowed to kill their team m8s. Idk if you know what i mean but i think rules must not be in such kind of groups because when i was reading them and after i go to the end of a group of rules i forget what the group was about (i know i have a fish brain but still) and again one more example from the same thing "CT do not" you read 7 rules and then you see the rule Hide guns in gunroom then you start thinking who is not allowed to hide guns was it T or CT then you have to go back and see what are you reading about with is a bit disterbing. And i think it will be harder for new players to undertand them like this.

Again i am saying this is just my opinion idk if you think the same.

Also i think you must make it like our old rules what i mean is after the rule to say for example: CTs are not allowed to kill there team m8s or risk or being slayed/transerted back to Ts
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 09:19:43 pm
Flashlights are still switched on and off, besides I think CT's could use flashlights so rule stays as that is relevant most of the time when it is off we have had this as a problem. Better as it is or when we have flashlighs for some reason back, someone would turn around and say, hey thats not in rules ...

about second one, no, they don't need to know, CT's must give FD. Non wants that the guys are crying for FD etc. Better that they learn the good old way. CT's are responsible for giving FD's or they get punished eventually for not doing it.

am about third one, since when do we play like that? We check vents even if the guy is not in there. So this won't be changed to a new rule. sorry but I keep all how we have played more or less and there's nothing new.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on February 25, 2012, 09:34:15 pm
Note: I have added some other stuff in my other post. And this is some kind of contine of it.

30. Officers must warn all the prisoners who is camping in the vent that staying in the vent is prohibited. Prisoners
can camp in the vent for up to 30 seconds, if the prisoner is camping in the vent longer then 30 seconds,
officers can go inside the vent and kill the prisoner without a warning (grenades allowed).

When i read this rules (it is from the oficial ones) i understand that CTs go in the vent to kill a T but i dont see a part saying CTs can get in the vent freely after the 30 sec pass.

Also see how long and well explained is this rule and not only this but most of the official rules that is what i ment in the other post that in the official rules things are better explained. But sami i think i know why you made the new rules shorter because you know them and you made the rules is key words not in full/long sentences i like it because it is easy to be read and remind the rules but i think harder to learn them.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: 'PL' on February 25, 2012, 09:40:05 pm
1I didn't understand one bit of your edit monster :)
2Flashlights can use only ct's - config editable
3??? - that is logic lol
4If a ct doesn't feel to clean up the vent, he don't have regulation to tell them that they have 30 secs in vent. In multiple times i just let them stay there ...
5Is clear to me...
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: SNap on February 25, 2012, 09:46:42 pm
Only CTs are able to use flashlighs so the rule can be removed. If any CT is spamming, admins can easy see who is doing it.
The rules can be made more clear and as Monster i dont like the style they are posted too. I prefer the old rules style. However Sami you did well with removing the old and useless rules.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 09:53:19 pm
8.2. It was added in old rules under different format I just changed it and made it simply as cheating is not allowed. Otherwise explaining more is not necessary as swim mean swim and following the command exactly as said is to follow the command as exactly said. Simple.

Actually I disagree, reading all the time repetitive words make rules boring and not enjoyable. I made them in the most sufficient way so people who are new could read them quickly through and memorise. Also it is not hard to scroll back up and see whether it was T or CT rule.
Explaining is good, but my personal experience shows that people don't read the rules and if they did they didn't understand them anyway. I learned rules by playing the game, so this is an easy way to quickly look through not read like a book. Also by having large texts there's a fat chance that every rule will collide with each other not to mention that because of you people who also took hands in the original rules adding and configuring them after made even more mess, but I think it was messy before.

Haha and no, I was thinking to put that after every rule - you risk of being kicked transfered etc.. Again people don't want to read same thing over and over again, this is the reason I added :

 
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By breaking these rules you risk being transferred back to T team or kicked without a chance to be CT again for the following map.


About the vent rule, actually even in the old rules it is not stated and no one bothered really to look at this rule from different situations, that's why this rule got so many gaps. Usually CT don't go in the vent after he have already been there (after 30sec warn) so this is discussable only in admin meeting.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on February 25, 2012, 09:54:45 pm
Off topic: HAHAAHHA as i see bulgarian ppl like more explanations (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png)

On topic: Replica you are saying the 5th is clear for you yes it is clear for me too i mean all the rules are clear for me too but think about the new players who hasnt played JB before. As i said some of them are more like key words which will make you remind the rules but not learn them.

Sami yes i agree rules must be a bit easyer to be read but this is too much for me but as you know: different ppl - different thinking.
And about the phrase risk of being kicked.... i dont think you must say it after every rule but some of the rules need this thing after them in my opinion.
Also what do you mean we have touched the rules? All what we did was removing 1-2 rules which no longer exist nothing more.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 09:56:48 pm
Oh and what *PL* said about the vent that he lets them in too, I do the same, I don't bother to give warning as if I do, they come out and I can't kill them. - that's another thing to add.. This rule is complicated if you look from some sort of a newb point, but for us it is merely common sense I think.

Snap.. The rule must stay, CT can abuse it too, so it is just common sense to have it.

About the style? well both styles are made by me :D the old ones through and through me. But I think we need easily readable rules.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on February 25, 2012, 10:00:19 pm
Monster, but that is the point, to remind them, they will only learn in game. No one bothered to read the old rules only admins and rarely some ppl who bothered, but not everyone else. Do you think I read them when I started? I learned 80% in game. I say that it will help new guys to quickly understand what is what, and new guys want everything fast :)

Of course I could edit the old rules and cut the crap out, but leave the long explanations. Then we could leave 2 topics for rules and ask around new guys which ones did they bothered to read at all. It is maybe just a theory, but pretty much I know how I was when I started and so everyone else. You guys are experienced that's why you think from this perspective.
Title: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on February 25, 2012, 10:07:12 pm
Quote from: sami<3 on February 25, 2012, 10:00:19 pm
Monster, but that is the point, to remind them, they will only learn in game. No one bothered to read the old rules only admins and rarely some ppl who bothered, but not everyone else. Do you think I read them when I started? I learned 80% in game. I say that it will help new guys to quickly understand what is what, and new guys want everything fast (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/forum//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png)

Of course I could edit the old rules and cut the crap out, but leave the long explanations. Then we could leave 2 topics for rules and ask around new guys which ones did they bothered to read at all. It is maybe just a theory, but pretty much I know how I was when I started and so everyone else. You guys are experienced that's why you think from this perspective.

Yes actualy when i turn back my memorys i was the same too but after snap was teaching me the rules he told me to make and account in the forum and later on i saw the rules and read them then i understood some stuff which i though i know seemed to be a bit different.

Also i yes that was the word which i was searching for: "style" so what i mean is the style is not good as snap said. And i like the old rule style too.
And sami yes i think it is better if you cut the useless things from the old rules and ofc leave the explanations because i still think they are needed if you really want to go pro then you must know the rules on 100% - "Not just to know that you are not allowed to do something but to know why"

And last if you remember i did a topic with new rules too. For me they must be made like this. I dont mean the rues and all the crap you can read there i am talking about the style in which they are made. I like it idk about the others...

This is what i am talking about: http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/forum//index.php?/topic/1900-new-jb-rules-suggestion/  i know there is some crap which can be removed but still i like them. Actualy they are on 90% the same as the official rules but ordered in a different way and better explain (in my opinion)
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on June 10, 2012, 07:27:19 am
Bit of an update on this one.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Burningsoul on June 10, 2012, 10:13:14 am
I am used to the old rules and i dont want this to be changed.. If i have learned them anyone can... I am not a genius...
I know these rules and i am not willing to learn new ones only because someone has problems with the brain or doesnt want to use his brain...
If you want to play jb you will sit and read these rules (which are now) for 15 min and done... Its not like reading the bible and you need to remember every single word in it...

Burningsoul
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: JF on June 10, 2012, 11:45:16 am
Indeed, it's easier to keep the old rules. I mean, there's only 45 of them and most of which are quite short as well.
The lingual part can always be edited to make it more clear and easier to understand.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on June 11, 2012, 02:36:35 pm
I know dozens of players who never read the rules simply because of how long they are.
And these rules are not new. They are the same rules what we got now, just shorter version and easier way for players to read and understand.

Also I have had some good feedback about my version from other players telling me that it was way more easier to read and they remember them better than the old rule style since it's in complicated language and a lot of read.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on July 12, 2012, 11:14:15 am
I was read this rules again and i find them good but still too short i mean here you can see about 80% of the rules and to be good you must know all the 100%... I will type down when i mean later today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Rawrplus on July 12, 2012, 11:21:58 am
Would you mind if I did some design editing on this topic.

Because that blueredblue colorswitch isn't looking very nice.


/ Just little thing, otherwise a nice topic.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on July 12, 2012, 11:26:53 am
I had made this long time ago: http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=1900.0 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=1900.0)

And i like the style more and as you can see they are redused rules but still you can learn the rules on 100% And ofc i need to reupdate them as some of the rules there are removed and new rules are added since November...
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Smaj Lee on July 12, 2012, 11:49:05 am
I like the rules,i think that all is very explained and understandably.Good job Edgars
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: JnaN- GM? on July 12, 2012, 11:54:47 am
Quote from: Burningsoul on June 10, 2012, 10:13:14 am
I am used to the old rules and i dont want this to be changed.. If i have learned them anyone can... I am not a genius...
I know these rules and i am not willing to learn new ones only because someone has problems with the brain or doesnt want to use his brain...
If you want to play jb you will sit and read these rules (which are now) for 15 min and done... Its not like reading the bible and you need to remember every single word in it...

Burningsoul

My thinking it's just the same. I think that our official rules are good enough. Understandable too ..

check MonsteR topic about it .. i think they are pretty good
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: JF on July 12, 2012, 11:58:59 am
Who the hell keeps reviving old topics all the time....

It's been said a billion times already, that the current rules are understandable already.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on July 12, 2012, 03:40:01 pm
It was Monster, you have a problem with that?

Besides it was never decided about rules.

I can edit the colours Rawrplus :)

And Monster, I prefer to keep this as if someone wanted quickly to read them then the basics are here you need to know. For more explained rules the original then.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on July 12, 2012, 07:26:16 pm
As ED said I revived the topic. As i find the current rules too long.

So as i said the current rules are long but well explained and ED's rules are a bit like a plan...

Anf too much things are missing. For example what i remember at the moment is that you dont say anything about that Ts can kill CTs if the CT is in the cage and the vent rule isnt well explained (if CTs see other T going in the vent they must start counting 30 sec again and that they cant say vent 30 sec if they dont see some1 going inside the vent) Many other things like this are not writen that is why i dont accept this rules.

Also i still cant get used to this style what is mean for example is:


Officer do not:

blablabla
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ifjdgjsjno
mgisng
Kill T for opening cells even if stated not to open cells. If a T opens cells it is a free day.
dgkmxdh
agm:Kn

After you read some lines you forget if CTs are or arent allowed to do this and you can get confused i prefer if it is:

Officers are not allowed to kill T for opening cells even if stated not to open cells. If a T opens cells it is a free day. (for example)

Regards

Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on July 12, 2012, 08:14:02 pm
This format is used by law actually therefore I like it. If you get confused you re read the top line for each section.

I will review the rules later and add if something is missing.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: Ed on September 12, 2012, 11:02:23 pm
Ok I have done an update, tell me what you think and point out what is missing. I suspect that I haven't add everything, but that's why there is the fully explained rules.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on September 13, 2012, 10:12:58 am
Yes i think this will be nice if we put it as short vesion of the rules.

And i think we must put this rules at the beggining of the server where you must read and accept them. Also at the end of the page where must be a link to the main rules.
Title: Re: Unofficial Jb rules.
Post by: MonsteR on January 13, 2013, 08:56:55 pm
Moved to archive