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Title: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 05:32:25 pm
Admin: Refresh
Server: Deathrun
Date & Time: DECEMBER 13, 2014, 05:25:50 PM
Complaint: banning for banevading with no evidance
                 1- forum ban ban's the name not the ip
                 2- my pc internet is way different from his
                 3- he was using the forum on his PHONE when he got banned
                 4- the ip you banned is not the same as my ip go check the ban list
                 5- i never revived a warning or banned thing
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):
[AMXBans] ===============================================
[AMXBans] Banned by Admin: ReFresh | JLz
[AMXBans] You can complain about your ban @ www.ambrosia-servers.eu (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu)
[AMXBans] Reason: 'banevading'
[AMXBans] Duration: 'permanently'
[AMXBans] Your SteamID: 'STEAM_0:0:504591753'
[AMXBans] Your IP: hidden
[AMXBans] =======================================

so i didnt ban evade i didnt even get banned you ban with out reason go learn your work
and one more thing
the pc he use is not connected to this network and not in home too he play in my dad office :\
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 05:40:15 pm
(http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/6675772014121300001.jpg)

I banned you because you admitted that you use the same connection which means that you basically have the same ip.

Now the problem is why did you start a Staff Complaint? And you say with No Evidence? Everyone knows that you are his brother.

Now, of course you did not get banned but basically if you are using the same wifi as him (as you stated in the screenshot) you should have the same IP as him which would mean that you evaded the ban.

the pc he use is not connected to this network and not in home too he play in my dad office :\
If he plays in an other network why did you say this in the evidence and why did I hear your brother commanding in Jailbreak from your pc?
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 05:43:49 pm
ehhh ok the wifi he only uses his phone when entering the forum but i banned him from using it xD
some times when im ct and hes near he just say hi and i dont allow him to play on my pc its locked
i saied hes banned in the forum becouse he use the same wifi but the forum ban the name and the explorer not the ip
and i didnt admit that he play on my ip and he didnt even get banned and when you banned him in JB i was it remember ?????


edit  : i reported him twice will i report him if he uses the same ip ??
think for once at least :\
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 05:50:28 pm
And now what do you expect me to do?

I banned you because you said to me that you used the same wifi which made me believe you had the same IP.

And what I mean is that I thought you used the same network (evidence) and so when your brother got banned, you restarted your router or w/e

You wanted to explain to me and I took the time to listen before doing anything and it's not my fault if you did not said everything you stated in this thread.

Anyway wait for someone to confirm if you are using the same IPs or no.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 05:54:34 pm
Refresh i really dont want you to get demoted i just want you to see before you hear
you are my friend i really never restart my router and even if i did that i have the static or something ip that keep my ip the same
i will never ban evade and if i get banned  i will do unban req

so if this thing a problem just remove it and say that i left the forum

cRu$HeR Out.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: WIDE AWAKE ~ h1x? on December 13, 2014, 06:21:38 pm
Refresh i really dont want you to get demoted i just want you to see before you hear
you are my friend i really never restart my router and even if i did that i have the static or something ip that keep my ip the same
i will never ban evade and if i get banned  i will do unban req

so if this thing a problem just remove it and say that i left the forum

cRu$HeR Out.
'demoted' xD

Staff Complaints most likely is a warn for the administrators and it's a demotion in some certain rare cases.

It's normal react from ReFresh, you admitted that you're banevading and he simply banned you, what's wrong here?
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 06:23:34 pm
Refresh i really dont want you to get demoted i just want you to see before you hear
you are my friend i really never restart my router and even if i did that i have the static or something ip that keep my ip the same
i will never ban evade and if i get banned  i will do unban req

so if this thing a problem just remove it and say that i left the forum

cRu$HeR Out.
'demoted' xD

Staff Complaints most likely is a warn for the administrators and it's a demotion in some certain rare cases.

It's normal react from ReFresh, you admitted that you're banevading and he simply banned you, what's wrong here?


.......!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Kay on December 13, 2014, 06:32:08 pm
Refresh i really dont want you to get demoted i just want you to see before you hear
you are my friend i really never restart my router and even if i did that i have the static or something ip that keep my ip the same
i will never ban evade and if i get banned  i will do unban req

so if this thing a problem just remove it and say that i left the forum

cRu$HeR Out.
A demote ? No Pls xD .
Crusher u was using the same wifi with ur brother thats why he banned u and he is right
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 06:41:40 pm
Refresh i really dont want you to get demoted i just want you to see before you hear
you are my friend i really never restart my router and even if i did that i have the static or something ip that keep my ip the same
i will never ban evade and if i get banned  i will do unban req

so if this thing a problem just remove it and say that i left the forum

cRu$HeR Out.
A demote ? No Pls xD .
Crusher u was using the same wifi with ur brother thats why he banned u and he is right

.......!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: ℓσкαтσя on December 13, 2014, 06:50:46 pm
Refresh i really dont want you to get demoted i just want you to see before you hear
you are my friend i really never restart my router and even if i did that i have the static or something ip that keep my ip the same
i will never ban evade and if i get banned  i will do unban req

so if this thing a problem just remove it and say that i left the forum

cRu$HeR Out.
A demote ? No Pls xD .
Crusher u was using the same wifi with ur brother thats why he banned u and he is right

.......!!!!!!!
(http://i.imgur.com/EIPuqRM.jpg)
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: SilverQuick on December 13, 2014, 07:06:46 pm
Sorry to put my noise in, but crusher how the hell refresh is supposed to know if it was you or your brother? maybe you should warn us or inform us that your brother got banned (don't know the reason why actually) so we know that you have the same wifi so we can find a solution or something.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 07:09:51 pm
Sorry to put my noise in, but crusher how the hell refresh is supposed to know if it was you or your brother? maybe you should warn us or inform us that your brother got banned (don't know the reason why actually) so we know that you have the same wifi so we can find a solution or something.
silver i didnt know that my brother got banned he didnt tell me
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 07:10:48 pm
Sorry to put my noise in, but crusher how the hell refresh is supposed to know if it was you or your brother? maybe you should warn us or inform us that your brother got banned (don't know the reason why actually) so we know that you have the same wifi so we can find a solution or something.

I knew it was him and not his brother but if you use your common sense, you can basically understand that if they are brothers they live at the same house. And they indeed live at the same house since I heard his brother commanding through his mic in Jailbreak...

So, the only think that I had to know (and that's why I let him explain) is if they were using the same wifi or no and the screenshot proves that my thoughts were true and that's why I banned him.

Sorry to put my noise in, but crusher how the hell refresh is supposed to know if it was you or your brother? maybe you should warn us or inform us that your brother got banned (don't know the reason why actually) so we know that you have the same wifi so we can find a solution or something.
silver i didnt know that my brother got banned he didnt tell me

LOL, do you think we are going to believe this?
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 07:14:09 pm
refresh i dont give a S if you believed or not from now on i really dont give a F

you just like to ban every one

go ban your self

and if i get a warn cus of this i DONT CARE

you really think that my brother tell me anything ????
and even if you banned him in game and he play in the same pc i play WE HAVE DIFFERENT STEAM ID
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Ḏ℮ηїαł on December 13, 2014, 07:28:13 pm
It's just the precautions and policy admins have to follow and use.

It's common sense clearly by Refresh..

Honestly, you shouldn't of made a big deal about it, should've just PM'd Refresh or put it in the unban request, useless staff complaint imo..
It's not Refresh's fault that your brother got banned, and he was just following what he has to do.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 07:30:33 pm
refresh i dont give a S if you believed or not from now on i really dont give a F

you just like to ban every one

go ban your self

and if i get a warn cus of this i DONT CARE

you really think that my brother tell me anything ????
and even if you banned him in game and he play in the same pc i play WE HAVE DIFFERENT STEAM ID

erm are you serious?

Could you at least provide an evidence or anything to prove that what you are stating above is true?

And no, when an admin issues a ban on a player, the player's SteamID and the player's IP get banned at the same time.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 07:35:11 pm
refresh i dont give a S if you believed or not from now on i really dont give a F

you just like to ban every one

go ban your self

and if i get a warn cus of this i DONT CARE

you really think that my brother tell me anything ????
and even if you banned him in game and he play in the same pc i play WE HAVE DIFFERENT STEAM ID

erm are you serious?

Could you at least provide an evidence or anything to prove that what you are stating above is true?

And no, when an admin issues a ban on a player, the player's SteamID and the player's IP get banned at the same time.

dafuq ? and you ban the one not faulty yea very nice  Refresh
            We dont play on the same pc and not on the same network
    ok i want you to get something
can you go to the ban console and get his ip
then get my ip and see for your self
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 07:40:38 pm
No I won't because you are basically reporting me and I'm just defending myself.

This is not an Unban Request AFAIK and I'm not part of the Unban Request Panel.

If you wish to be Unbanned start a topic in the Unban Request Board (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?board=27.0) and fill in the correct form.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 07:43:12 pm
no i wont cus you banned me for no reason and i can make a complain on you cus you banned for no reason and i will get the ip my self
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 07:52:03 pm
no i wont cus you banned me for no reason and i can make a complain on you cus you banned for no reason and i will get the ip my self

What I'm trying to explain is that this topic is just useless because even if you might be right this does not mean that I did something wrong.

Your complaint is basically not valid and pointless because I had my reasons to ban you and I provided these reasons several times in this topic.

Even if you disagree with those reasons that does not mean that you should led a report against me because all what I was trying to do is to keep the server in order and my intentions were not wrong.

And if you are still wishing to keep this topic then wait for someone else to solve this.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 08:08:24 pm
STOP SAYING CHEERS

and you know we not the same ip and not the same pc

how many times were we in the same server at the same time ???
and how many times did he get banned while i was in the server and i didnt get banned with him ?

Show some respect, it's not up to you to tell me what to do nor what to say.
Warned 15% since it's not the first time. ReFresh.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Red Wolf on December 13, 2014, 08:19:09 pm
. So, u have same ip with banevader. Then, if ur ip doesnt changes, how the hell did u entered in the server with same ID? And, what if .... You are acting like your brother was banned and not u? How can we know that you just tell ur brother to do that?
Demotion? Every admin is allowed to ban everyone who has same ip and differentt ID.
Refresh likes to ban?
GG refresh, it looks like ur the best admin, you can easily catch banevaders and cheaters.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: cRu$HeR on December 13, 2014, 08:22:32 pm
. So, u have same ip with banevader. Then, if ur ip doesnt changes, how the hell did u entered in the server with same ID? And, what if .... You are acting like your brother was banned and not u? How can we know that you just tell ur brother to do that?
Demotion? Every admin is allowed to ban everyone who has same ip and differentt ID.
Refresh likes to ban?
GG refresh, it looks like ur the best admin, you can easily catch banevaders and cheaters.

idk what make you post here but i can make a news paper if you want

WE DONOT HAVE THE SAME IP AND WE DONOT HAVE THE SAME ID is that hard to understand ????
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Red Wolf on December 13, 2014, 08:31:01 pm
so, u say that u have same connection, then say no, then say ye, now say no.
Let me guess it:
Same connection
WiFi
Ip that doesnt changes
banned cuz refresh saw same ip
you say different ip?

If this is true, then i quit!
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: WILLIE on December 13, 2014, 09:19:44 pm
refresh u cant punish him for the action of his brother, really just chill the guy is clearly nice and means no breaking of rules

its a fkin death run server, jb or w/e it is, seriously...
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 09:35:06 pm
refresh u cant punish him for the action of his brother, really just chill the guy is clearly nice and means no breaking of rules

its a fkin death run server, jb or w/e it is, seriously...

Please read my previous posts.

I did not ban him because his brother is banned.

I banned him because he admitted (in the screenshot I provided) that his brother and him used the same WiFi. This means that they should have the same IP and so that he should be banned at the moment according to what he stated in my screenshot. That would mean that Crusher would have evaded the ban issued on his brother's IP who according to Crusher, is the same as his.

But anyway, that's not the place to discuss about if he either should be banned or not and that's why he should start an Unban Request.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: D00M on December 13, 2014, 09:36:50 pm
His brother probably got banned by steamid but still if the IP is the same it is called banevading.

Also WI-FI is not possible to have a static IP, everytime you connect to it you get a different IP.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Red Wolf on December 13, 2014, 09:39:20 pm
[plainbox][catbar]Welcome to the official Unban Request Section in the Ambrosia Forums[/catbar]

[plainbox]Joining our servers while you are banned is classed: "Banevading"
Definition: Using any form of proxy or a different IP or Unique Steam ID to evade the ban.
[/plainbox]
[catbar]© Copyright of Ambrosia Unban Panel 2014[/plainbox]
Just saying   ::)
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: WILLIE on December 13, 2014, 09:52:14 pm
refresh u cant punish him for the action of his brother, really just chill the guy is clearly nice and means no breaking of rules

its a fkin death run server, jb or w/e it is, seriously...

Please read my previous posts.

I did not ban him because his brother is banned.

I banned him because he admitted (in the screenshot I provided) that his brother and him used the same WiFi. This means that they should have the same IP and so that he should be banned at the moment according to what he stated in my screenshot. That would mean that Crusher would have evaded the ban issued on his brother's IP who according to Crusher, is the same as his.

But anyway, that's not the place to discuss about if he either should be banned or not and that's why he should start an Unban Request.

Cheers.

okay, they had same IP, would u ban an innocent player for the action of another?

listen dude, all the recent cs versions use cracked steamID's, having the same IP is not the problem since his brother cant use his pc to play on ambrosia anymore cuz you will still be banned even if the ip is changed,priority is given to steamID's, the guy said his brother plays from his father's pc which is a nother way to evade the ban as the steamid changes as long as the pc is a different one, you still cant blame crusher for this, the ip will always be the same

though, people still get banned permanently for silly reasons, believe me i've tried it, on a game that i love playing almost everyday, used to get banned for 7 days for leaving matches and it really sucks balls, 7 days is long as fk, but what if u ban someone from a server he likes the most permanently, that means not playing in the server ever again, i think people should start thinking before giving bans to others, its just a game u just need to chill and have fun stop creating hate between eachother...

P.S red wolf, ur not makin any sense bud.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Red Wolf on December 13, 2014, 10:06:17 pm
refresh u cant punish him for the action of his brother, really just chill the guy is clearly nice and means no breaking of rules

its a fkin death run server, jb or w/e it is, seriously...

Please read my previous posts.

I did not ban him because his brother is banned.

I banned him because he admitted (in the screenshot I provided) that his brother and him used the same WiFi. This means that they should have the same IP and so that he should be banned at the moment according to what he stated in my screenshot. That would mean that Crusher would have evaded the ban issued on his brother's IP who according to Crusher, is the same as his.

But anyway, that's not the place to discuss about if he either should be banned or not and that's why he should start an Unban Request.

Cheers.

okay, they had same IP, would u ban an innocent player for the action of another?

listen dude, all the recent cs versions use cracked steamID's, having the same IP is not the problem since his brother cant use his pc to play on ambrosia anymore cuz you will still be banned even if the ip is changed,priority is given to steamID's, the guy said his brother plays from his father's pc which is a nother way to evade the ban as the steamid changes as long as the pc is a different one, you still cant blame crusher for this, the ip will always be the same

though, people still get banned permanently for silly reasons, believe me i've tried it, on a game that i love playing almost everyday, used to get banned for 7 days for leaving matches and it really sucks balls, 7 days is long as fk, but what if u ban someone from a server he likes the most permanently, that means not playing in the server ever again, i think people should start thinking before giving bans to others, its just a game u just need to chill and have fun stop creating hate between eachother...

P.S red wolf, ur not makin any sense bud.
Am I?
If its a game, then I will plaz with aimbot, hook, speedhack, break every rule and if i get banned ill banevade. Im sure refresh and other players wont mind since its just a game
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 10:27:30 pm
You don't understand @YOUNG Jeezy

It's a rule, you are not allowed to banevade.

I'm not the one who made this rule, I'm just applying it.

According to what I said in my previous post, he admitted that his brother and he used the same WiFi which means same IP. He was supposed to be banned and so I banned him for evading the ban.

But once again, I might be wrong because what he stated in my screenshot might be false and that's why he should start an Unban Request.

And once again, there is no point in reporting the one who issued the ban since I just did what anyone else would have done.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Ed on December 13, 2014, 10:31:38 pm
So let me get this straight?
You know for the fact that he has a brother who is banned yet you still ban him :D Haha! Good one Refresh!

Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Duke Devlin on December 13, 2014, 10:33:20 pm
HE wasn't banevading tho, he didn't change his IP or anything.
his BROTHER got STEAMID ban, not CRUSHER
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 10:39:39 pm
So let me get this straight?
You know for the fact that he has a brother who is banned yet you still ban him :D Haha! Good one Refresh!

Yes of course.

Because once again, he was supposed to be banned according to what I said several times in this topic.

Tell me, if you ban me, let's say for wallhacking and you know that X player is my brother and tells you that he uses the same network as me (which means same IP), would you ban him ?
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 10:42:54 pm
HE wasn't banevading tho, he didn't change his IP or anything.
his BROTHER got STEAMID ban, not CRUSHER

You sir should understand that when you ban someone from any server by using amxbans, you do not only ban his SteamID but his IP too.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: DonTodo # on December 13, 2014, 11:02:05 pm
So let me get this straight?
You know for the fact that he has a brother who is banned yet you still ban him :D Haha! Good one Refresh!

Yes of course.

Because once again, he was supposed to be banned according to what I said several times in this topic.

Tell me, if you ban me, let's say for wallhacking and you know that X player is my brother and tells you that he uses the same network as me (which means same IP), would you ban him ?

Tbh he shouldnt be banned at all. And that u just banned him confirmed it.
His brother who is banned with a different IP and different ID is banned.
Since his brother isnt able to play on his IP or id. So imo his ban is unjustified and there is no reason at all that u should have banned him.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 13, 2014, 11:12:00 pm
I told you, he admitted he used the same IP as his brother so Crusher should be banned like his brother since according to what he stated in my screenshot, they have the same IP.

I'm not saying that there is a reason for him to be banned..

What I mean is that he confirmed somehow that he should be banned.

But apparently, what he stated in the server was wrong and now he says that they don't use the same network.

Now tell me, is it my fault if he provided wrong information while I tried to figure out if he was banevading or not ?

Because AFAIK this is a report against me and not an Unban Request.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: taha on December 13, 2014, 11:12:42 pm
This reminds me of miniH2O and someone who was playing in JB as well , they lived in the same household , yet when minih2o got banned for cheating or something else  the other person did not get banned , because simply he didn't do anything wrong !

Maybe the other guy would use his mate's computer or simply change steam ids since the ip isn't banned , that doesn't mean the other guy should be punished for that , so yeah ..

Anyway , I still find the behavior coming from crusher completely unacceptable , a temp ban should be applied I reckon !

Cheers.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Pringles on December 14, 2014, 12:27:08 am
Anyway feel free to start an Unban Request.

Locked for now until someone else solves this.
Title: Re: Refresh ban for not ban evading
Post by: Raven E II R on December 16, 2014, 05:30:41 pm
You are not banned but your brother is, if your brother joins and gets banned on that IP then we have no obligation to unban you until he does an unban request. As long as you use a unique SteamID then you won't have an issue.

I believe this is just a slight misunderstanding from the admin part of it and therefore let this post clear this issue up for it not to happen again in the future.