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Title: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Google Inc. on February 15, 2014, 08:58:43 pm
Hello World!

Its google, I've been playing here for like 3 years, This server was and still the only reason i play CS, I never play any other games than CS btw, Without introductions, I see something like the FUN in the server is decreasing, The decreasing in fun started long time ago, I saw many people left us, Yes! Because the server isnt that fun like before, tbh i dont like complaining too much, But im forced to, And i dont like the "Bla Bla Bla" I like actions, So i decided to make them myself, Imma suggest some ideas for the highstaff to see if they accept em.. i think that will help alot :


As you see guys, All these ideas are very simple and extendable, You dont have to do the "IMPOSSIBLE" to let the server alive again, Just help the players to make good actions, Motivate them, Try to get some ideas to make it fun.

Thanks for understanding me guys, Hope you help me to do this, GL.

~ Google Inc.
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: 'PL' on February 15, 2014, 10:30:24 pm
1. After 20 times of changes to suit different needs, what's wrong about them now?
2. Entertainment generation depends mostly on how much people are in the server, with more than 20 people you will have a less creativity,toleration and patience go low and perpendicularly the cage/cell days are in favor of the terrorists. It's the so called "tendention" to control 20 players. And known methods for satisfying this need is by doing repetitive games which the ct's have experienced them more then anything else. Without any agents or projects to implement the ideal to be unique and different from other cts you will always have to face the boring and monotonous nature of the current state jailbreak is.  Unless you give us a cure or some artistic theme to motivate us(ct's). Usually the rebellions are obviously increasing with every additional Terrorist. And not Every Player/Person(ct) can produce the rightful product under that stress. However when it comes to confidence everybody thinks they are up for it.
3. It has been always experimental but never successful in this community. Usually it gets people really competitive and even can have a side effect of making it even more boring then it is.
4. The Golden rule of mcain's regime was what are the dimensions of creating a new day(game). Ambrosia always has allowed topics related to games to be created in the jailbreak section.
5.As I said in number 3, only experimental
6.That's completely fine with me, by far I can't call this a threat since it has been said many times by many people in the past(make it the exact same words ;D)
7.I think this is an attempt to advertise membership in your clan, so I'll just say "no comment"
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Hajrulla on February 16, 2014, 01:17:56 am
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Quote from: *PL* on February 15, 2014, 10:30:24 pm
1. After 20 times of changes to suit different needs, what's wrong about them now?
2. Entertainment generation depends mostly on how much people are in the server, with more than 20 people you will have a less creativity,toleration and patience go low and perpendicularly the cage/cell days are in favor of the terrorists. It's the so called "tendention" to control 20 players. And known methods for satisfying this need is by doing repetitive games which the ct's have experienced them more then anything else. Without any agents or projects to implement the ideal to be unique and different from other cts you will always have to face the boring and monotonous nature of the current state jailbreak is.  Unless you give us a cure or some artistic theme to motivate us(ct's). Usually the rebellions are obviously increasing with every additional Terrorist. And not Every Player/Person(ct) can produce the rightful product under that stress. However when it comes to confidence everybody thinks they are up for it.
3. It has been always experimental but never successful in this community. Usually it gets people really competitive and even can have a side effect of making it even more boring then it is.
4. The Golden rule of mcain's regime was what are the dimensions of creating a new day(game). Ambrosia always has allowed topics related to games to be created in the jailbreak section.
5.As I said in number 3, only experimental
6.That's completely fine with me, by far I can't call this a threat since it has been said many times by many people in the past(make it the exact same words ;D)
7.I think this is an attempt to advertise membership in your clan, so I'll just say "no comment"
^

~ A little suggestion from me : Add /donate system for donating points !
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Google Inc. on February 16, 2014, 03:31:45 am
Hell xD Now replica thinks that im completely on the wrong side  >:(, Well according to what is happening right now, If you really think that everybody is wrong and you're completely right, then i shouldn't see that big number of leaving players, Messing/Abusing admins, No fun and no even good games at least. No No.. Not by chance, When i join the server right now i see that most of players are new people, I've never seen them before! Maybe you're boosting the server but cmon, Think about it again, Sometimes 5 players can make the server DAMN FUNNY, and sometimes 20 makes it damn boring, And vice versa.

No, Big amount of players doesnt lead to boring, It should make it better :D.. You can play lovely games with them, Thats why we have something called cage, To let them inside, Play some questions game or long jump or w/e creative, They will decrease, that time you can let them out, There is logic for the game, And if it really makes the game boring, I will blame the CTs who are not able to handle it! And thats why i suggested the "Featured CT" because some people are really not skilled.

I didnt say change all the rules, You can just add some few rules just to make the game funny, As i mentioned, Something like "the chosen ct should be matured/funny", Rules can really help to make the game much funny, Just add some rules to control that.

About the clan, Well you've guessed it wrong, Why should i advertise when im showing the bad side of it?, I can get the members easily from the server tho, but i removed the clan name.. If you guys are sensitive about it, then ok, The clan was just an example.

Note: Please replica and others dont take that discussion as hate from me, I love you all and you all mean alot to me, I respect each and everyone giving his opinion here, but believe me :) i love you all. Except 1 guy and he knows himself very well
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: TeeKaaY on February 16, 2014, 04:17:35 am
Well I am working on the shop, but I can't simply do it all in one day. There is the foundation that I have to lay out in the code, get good suggestions that are not over powering and the implement them before finally testing the shop and check if there are any bugs that could be found. It's not a one day type of deal.

Second of all, you can't simply buy good commanders these days. Most of the players on the server are kids, yes kids that are less than 15 years old. How do you expect them to be creative? There are a few exclusions but well that's it. Creative isn't something you can buy, it's something you are born with or something you acquire after a long period of time.

Now in my honest opinion, and I am pretty sure everybody will attack me after reading what I have to say, increasing the ratio of the T:CT will definitely help. Why? Let's say you change the ratio to 1:2 (for every 1 CT you have 2 Ts), then the CTs will be able to get a better control of the Prisoners and that way, the commanding officer will be able to command freely and be more creative.

Last but not least, the language is a huge barrier. Yes, non-english speaking players that often go CT, have a problem expressing themselves in English. If the server was in their native language, then I am pretty sure they would handle everything way better.

I don't want to forget the rules that ambrosia follows, well if you know anything about me is that I hate those rules. I think they are stupid and some rules doesn't even make sense. If it was up to me, I would change everything, yes everything. But again, it's not up to me, it's up to the players who play on the server.

And the last thing that you obviously also know about me, I hate the fact that ambrosia follows a logic where you have to play Cage Day every single day until the end of the map where you only get a couple of 3 rounds of fun as special days (which I don't call them any special what so ever). I grew up playing JailBreak on american servers and we had the vote come up every single day. I know what you are going to say, that way the players will always vote for a "special day" (see how I put that into quotes?). My answer is no they won't. Mature players won't ever do that. Maybe that's why I am used to this, because I used to play with a lot of mature players back then and most of them where around 20 and 25 years old. They played JailBreak to have fun and not to rank on the server in question.

 
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Google Inc. on February 16, 2014, 04:40:39 am
Quote from: tonykaram1993 on February 16, 2014, 04:17:35 am
Second of all, you can't simply buy good commanders these days. Most of the players on the server are kids, yes kids that are less than 15 years old. How do you expect them to be creative?

Last but not least, the language is a huge barrier. Yes, non-english speaking players that often go CT, have a problem expressing themselves in English. If the server was in their native language, then I am pretty sure they would handle everything way better.

put under these words 500 lines, 3 colors of highlighting, Thats why i suggested the "Featured CT" idea and i suggested changing the rules, To choose CT the priority goes for the featured player then mature player or funny player then to normal players.
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: ~RoN on February 16, 2014, 07:27:08 am
Hello Google and Tony,

1. I always when i am in server and meeting i have told my team that they have to check after that, that they have to force people to be a bit more creative use the map i understand very well what you mean. But now when we get new people in server they have the right also to be ct at least i think every one should. By changing rules nothing will work since most of the players they don't even care about it only when they get banned.
2. Trust me i have been working with sami to much on this. We tried to make the server a better place for every one admins/players and for the moment every thing its alright it depends the day's. Some time we have fun some times we don't.
3. Well for me this will only bring more drama in forum and server because there will be always who will complain and say that it wasn't fair i do understand where you come from but its just our server its not full of maturity.
4. About games you can always make a topic in jailbreak section since i add them always in this topic if they are approved :Click (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=5610.0).  It depends who is ct we can not always put the same one's if you know what i mean.
5. Same goes here that was my project when i became head admin but we let it go down because its gone create fights and drama since we all know how jailbreak goes. There will always be people who will complain and hate each other.

Here is one of my example that i was going to do. But we let it down because we all voted about it and finally we decided to not do it.


Best Player(s)/Admin(s) Of The Month.


Hello all,

Since we all wanted to know who are the best player(s)/Admin(s) of the month then Jailbreak Staff Team Decided that we will make votes every month. And the Best player(s)/Admin(s) of the month will be announced in Jailbreak Section.


* How does this Work(s) :

- [Best Player(s)/Member(s) of the month] : Admin(s)/Head Admin/Head Admin Assistant will vote every month for the best player(s) of the month.
- [Best Admin(s) of the month] : Member(s)/Head Admin/Head Admin Assistant will vote every month for the best Admin(s) of the month.


* Best Player(s)/Admin(s) :

* Best Player(s) of the month (TOP : 3) :
- N/A
- N/A
- N/A


* Best Admin(s) of the month (TOP : 3) :
- N/A
- N/A
- N/A


Rules

* Do not ever ask an Admin/Member to vote for you or you will be disqualified.
* Don't vote for someone because he/she is your friend. Be fair
* Do not ever contact some one to ask "Can i Be in Vote..." or you will be disqualified.
* Respect Every one no matter if he lost or won.
* Do not fight to get in first place.
* Do not ever say that it was not fair because it will always be fair.


* Do always Respect the International Server Rules (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=34.0)/Forum Rules (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=2.0)/Jailbreak Rules. (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=22296.0) or you will be disqualified.


This Will be launched the 1st December.

RoNi


6. As i said before any player or member of ambrosia is allowed to report any admin of my team if they do some thing wrong. They always have to respond in a respectful way in any report agains't them. If some one doesn't feel like to do a public report he is free to report to me or sami by pm.
7. By adding shop we are trying to make it fair in both side's since cts have guns and terroriste don't.


@Tony

I do understand where your coming from. Well ambrosia jailbreak has been always like this. The ratio was always the same. Me i have been playing in diffrent jailbreak servers and i like some of them but here in our ambrosia jailbreak all this changes won't be possible 80 % of our players are underage and they are still trying to discover and find out things.
About the cage day's every day, i think its a good way to make people more creative because having a vote of special days every round won't be possible you said it your self because in our ambrosia jailbreak everyone will vote for special day. And there won't be any possibility to play and use the map.
About the ratio 1:2, Well it won't really be fair for terroriste team since they don't have any thing in their hands and CT's do have guns. So if we change the ratio to 1:2 terroriste can't really have fun any more they will be shooted from all the ways. We are trying to avoid this kind of rules and changes.

Thank you for Reading.
RoNi
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Hajrulla on February 16, 2014, 11:21:55 am
TONY,are you talking about SM gaming?Since it was the same thing,that you're talking right now.
Same addons/same days/every shit the same.
CTs could choose a day everyday,and it was fun,since mostly the days were SD X:,and there was a retarded ratio,10 Ts 5 CTs >_<...
It was a fun community /: ...
What about if a admin is ONLINE,and the CTs that were most creative shall be rewarded with 50 points or something like this -_-?
 TONY,add /bank system on points.
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Ed on February 16, 2014, 12:30:12 pm
Mostly Roni explained pretty clearly the things. I tho will answer separately on the suggestions the way I see it.




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  • Change the rules, Yes change them! Add some rules for setting CTs, The CT should make the game fun, Not to play first & last reaction until he finish the round, To have a real clear mic, And good accent, They should spread some fun in the server by their actions, And try to find the rules that make the server fun too.

Rules can always be adjusted in time to suit the needs of the public and the existence of the server. I'd like to quote something from wikipedia, where you state to make rules that make server fun:

Rules
Whereas games are often characterized by their tools, they are often defined by their rules. While rules are subject to variations and changes, enough change in the rules usually results in a "new" game. For instance, baseball can be played with "real" baseballs or with wiffleballs. However, if the players decide to play with only three bases, they are arguably playing a different game. There are exceptions to this in that some games deliberately involve the changing of their own rules, but even then there are often immutable meta-rules.
Rules generally determine turn order, the rights and responsibilities of the players, and each player’s goals. Player rights may include when they may spend resources or move tokens. Common win conditions are being first to amass a certain quota of points or tokens (as in Settlers of Catan), having the greatest number of tokens at the end of the game (as in Monopoly), or some relationship of one’s game tokens to those of one’s opponent (as in chess's checkmate).

Rules are meant to have boarders. To restrict someone from doing something unlawful or unacceptable by public. Why rules and laws will never be fun? It's because we need to restrict one and other in order to have a friendly environment. If more people would understand how life is, we shouldn't need rules at all. We would just enjoy rule-less gaming. In order this to happen, we have to reach our higher selves, if that tho happens I doubt we would be playing games anymore.

Another thing is people who would like to join CT and command, but doesn't have the capability and/or experience to do so. We can't blame them from wanting to try. As Roni said, everyone should have a chance to try at least once. I understand that "new players" are not always familiar with the environment, the game play and "how to" in our server, but I have to agree that if someone's microphone has a background noise or in general it doesn't sound right, they shouldn't be CT's.
About creativity, well, only a small amount of people in this world has a natural part of creativity. This is because most of us are left brained - logic, laws, control, where as right brain is - the creativity, individualism etc. If i had to make a percentage, I would guess that only 20% of all of us can be creative.


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  • The server fun stands on 2 things : Admins and CTs, Because if we're 20 Ts, We wont make fun, We just have to follow what admins/CTs ask us to do, So you better care more about this point, as a solution for the CTs, You can edit the rules using the point #1, And for admins, That will be back to you highstaff, Choose the admins wisely, And ask them to make the atmosphere fun!!

I will have to disagree with this one. The servers fun stands with the people who play daily on the server only. It's not in any matters whether they are administrators or normal players. Same as CT's, they can only create as much fun as much it is taken by the rest of people.
I won't force administrators to make the fun! It's not their duty. Their responsibility is to provide a clean, rule breaker/cheater free atmosphere and as I explained about most people being left brained, then I cannot ask that as a must from our team. Also, as we know, if administrators will start to make fun - it will jeopardize their position and our rules. If anything, admins are players too, and if you want any changes, you have to start with yourself and people will follow.


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  • Make a new topic for "Featured CTs", The good CTs can be awarded, You can offer them medals, jb points or whatever you can offer, You may also give them the opportunity to self by themselves when ratio needs, Without an admin choose, The featured CTs can be chosen by highstaff only.
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  • Make a new topic for "JB Games", Im sure that some people do really have good ideas for new games, Other than first and last reaction  :-[, Let everybody share his games so the CTs who dont have ideas, can use whats written in the topic.
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  • Make a topic for the "Best Rebeller, Best Commander, Best Admin, Most funny guy, ..." Every month, That will motivate the players to do their best.

This in overall isn't a bad idea, it has been talked about since very beginning when me and Roni was appointed as the leading staff for JB. We have set this back for several reasons and one of the main factors is that we are focusing on the new mod, new system which we are implying same as our staff team. We are still processing JB from what it was to what we want it to be. Most importantly what you people want it to be.

All 3 things should be looked into sooner or later.




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  • Well yea, Once again. Admins should follow the rules just like the players, Admins you really have to read this, I will REPORT any admin who dont follow rules from now on, Yes! Call me an agent. Even close friends can be reported, Please try to be good example for an admin, Dont use ur mic all the time, and try to take action, Dont laugh watching the cts freekilling, i saw this scene more than once, Its a suggestion topic so this suggest isnt for highstaff but for admins.

Now this is down to each admin themselves and they know where they stand and what will happen if the reports come in, if they are found guilty of any kind of abuse, we will not tolerate it. I have trust in our current admin team and we have said to them everything they need to know. Whether they follow it or not is not in our hands, but only theirs.


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  • Give the rebellers chance of the game, No shop and no rtd and no even good plugins (As i mentioned in tonykarams topic), You have to help the rebellers, many of them left JB. Why? because they may have fun with rebelling, And there are no any chance for that anymore, I know that some people disagree with me about this, They hate rebelling! But hell.. Some people have another thoughts! Thats why each one in this world eats something different than other.

I remember seeing that you mentioned the people who left, unfortunately I don't see it anymore and I have a very weak memory.
A lot of people left JB, same as a lot of people left Ambrosia. 90% who left are focusing on their studies/life, therefore we part our ways with them. People come and go <-- this sentence has been passed several times in Ambrosia when there is a talk about people leaving.

Keep in mind that the reason why some rules changed the way they did is because we want to have a balance between the teams. Rebelling is part of the game, although not as important as commanding in this instance, due to the fact you can still play jb without anyone rebelling. It is fun for some and I agree that it's also important to take advantage of it and help people who like to categorize themselves in this area.
RTD is something we all had fun with, but it never lasts and that's fine too, because sometimes we need to have something fresh and different which gives a good laugh to everyone.
Shop isn't my cup of tea, but this again is something what majority want's and yet this might be good for some, it won't be good for others. Shop can be accessed individually, it is not forced so therefore it's in your hands only to use it or not.


Quote from: tonykaram1993 on February 16, 2014, 04:17:35 am
Well I am working on the shop, but I can't simply do it all in one day. There is the foundation that I have to lay out in the code, get good suggestions that are not over powering and the implement them before finally testing the shop and check if there are any bugs that could be found. It's not a one day type of deal.

Second of all, you can't simply buy good commanders these days. Most of the players on the server are kids, yes kids that are less than 15 years old. How do you expect them to be creative? There are a few exclusions but well that's it. Creative isn't something you can buy, it's something you are born with or something you acquire after a long period of time.

Now in my honest opinion, and I am pretty sure everybody will attack me after reading what I have to say, increasing the ratio of the T:CT will definitely help. Why? Let's say you change the ratio to 1:2 (for every 1 CT you have 2 Ts), then the CTs will be able to get a better control of the Prisoners and that way, the commanding officer will be able to command freely and be more creative.

Last but not least, the language is a huge barrier. Yes, non-english speaking players that often go CT, have a problem expressing themselves in English. If the server was in their native language, then I am pretty sure they would handle everything way better.

I don't want to forget the rules that ambrosia follows, well if you know anything about me is that I hate those rules. I think they are stupid and some rules doesn't even make sense. If it was up to me, I would change everything, yes everything. But again, it's not up to me, it's up to the players who play on the server.

And the last thing that you obviously also know about me, I hate the fact that ambrosia follows a logic where you have to play Cage Day every single day until the end of the map where you only get a couple of 3 rounds of fun as special days (which I don't call them any special what so ever). I grew up playing JailBreak on american servers and we had the vote come up every single day. I know what you are going to say, that way the players will always vote for a "special day" (see how I put that into quotes?). My answer is no they won't. Mature players won't ever do that. Maybe that's why I am used to this, because I used to play with a lot of mature players back then and most of them where around 20 and 25 years old. They played JailBreak to have fun and not to rank on the server in question.

 


I don't think you need to be brainiac to put "2 + 2" together. There is a huge difference between players being mature 20+ and having a full server with players 13+. Maturity also takes a toll a lot in our JB. Look at it this way Tony, if we had this maturity level, we wouldn't need any fancy plugins like yours :D. I also believe that there wouldn't be any rules either.
We have to understand that, yet there might be better servers with a lot more consistent players, but due to the fact we are multicultural community the same goes to our JB, we won't discriminate between people.

We will have to look at other ways how to improve, but I honestly cannot see this work in our current JB, Tony.



In overall:

We haven't finished with JB. We are still working on it and we cannot yet say that JB is at it's final stage of completeness. Sometimes I have a deep feeling that it will never be complete no matter what we do, because it's a lot to do with players. We can provide the best service and the best server, but it wouldn't matter if we have the boring/negative/angry players. I hope you understand what I am trying to say. JB is going to be as much as fun, as much fun you can be yourself. People have the power, not us, not any of our high staff, unless it comes out of someone's pocket like Casper :D
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Google Inc. on February 17, 2014, 06:57:26 pm
I would like to thank both HA and HAA and other people who tried to say their ideas and thoughts about what im saying, About what the HA and HAA said, I do agree with some points, Especially the "People come and go" thingy, Seems like the people who are playing right now aren't making in fun in the right way, I still dont agree about some ideas like : "Making fun in the server isnt admins duty", I will say thats true if they're a public/surf .. server admins, But in this case, Admins can effect on the atmosphere, They should always make a good one for the players, Because they can force the CTs to be creative and and make good games instead of boring ones, I really think its their duty, The thing i dont agree with you too is that changing the rules wont effect, When we get the rule that punish thieves, It will make the thieves sad because they wont be able to steal anymore, But at the same time it will make the whole community happy, because they will know that no one gonna steal something from them, Same thing is going on here, Rules are here to restrict, We all know that restrictions sometimes makes no fun, But When we restrict the "Boring People", Then yea, these people wont have fun anymore, But the majority of the players will, Because these people will be gone.

1 small point, I disagree with pinky when she told me that no one is creative in the server, she said that chakalaka was the only creative and he left now, Well yea i didnt mean with creativity to be like chakalaka or something, We all know that chakalaka was so creative but i didnt mean that type of creativity, Thats for me a super-creativity and i can characterize any CT with this super-creativity when he start to make new games from the current map, I agree with you and sami that only limited people got this feature in their brains, But creativity for me in JB starts when the CT let the Ts outside the cage, And he starts to find out some of games, Instead of "Face the backwall (Trivia) and first and last reaction and simon says ... inside the cage", So yea everybody can be creative in jb by playing the multiple games the map provide for us, Casper gonna own all the CTs with his creativity tho  :-[.

I really appreciate your work guys :) And good luck with it, Please if you saw some disagrees from me, That doesnt really mean i dont like you personally or im attacking you ;) im just trying to find some solution for the server tbh, You saw my ideas, They're simple and clear, You can come back to them when you really feel its the right time for them. Love you all and good luck  ::)

~ Google Inc.
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: ƒlória ♥ ☺ ♥ on March 01, 2014, 05:53:06 pm
well not only admins even all can make fun but now days many people are getting banned in jb i dont like this news from when its new all changed i miss all the players karimoo Sklopo and all.All are leaving ambrosia i dont like this I feel bit sad about people not liking jb right now i love ambrosia i never want the heart of ambrosia breake i want more players to play Willingly with fun and all like a Family and we are acting like a family right now but it Should be big people must not hate this it must be fun not boring
Thank you .
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Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Ed on April 14, 2014, 03:12:34 pm
Before I lock and archive this topic, I wanted to know whether there is any improvement google?
Title: Re: Wake up jailbreakers! Some suggestions for the server
Post by: Google Inc. on April 14, 2014, 09:44:40 pm
Sure there is sami :) good job :D

There are still small things can be improved, But its good so far.

Thanks to all people who participated in making jb better than before.