Ambrosia Community

Recruitment & Justice => Unban Requests Archive => Unban Requests => Denied => Topic started by: loco on January 06, 2014, 10:44:02 pm

Title: [DENIED] BAnned
Post by: loco on January 06, 2014, 10:44:02 pm: I play here frequently so i need to ask for some explanation.
No SS no demo, just banned.
???????????????????????????????????????????????????
I play this game, on and off, over a decade so i would just like to know how was i cheating?

Best regards
Loco
Title: BAnned
Post by: Big Bob on January 06, 2014, 10:44:02 pm: Welcome to the official Unban Request Section in the Ambrosia Forums.

Shortly, the Unban Panel will review and deal with your unban request. In the mean time you must not banevade (Definition: Using any form of proxy or a different IP/Unique ID to evade the ban). This will cause your unban request to be denied immediately!

You should also make sure that your unban request is filled in properly and complies with all the Unban Request Rules (http://www.ambrosia-servers.eu/community/index.php?topic=12.0[/url) and that your ban information is correct from the Banlist (http://bans.ambrosia-servers.eu)(CS 1.6 Only)! If your unban request is not done properly and it doesn't comply with our requirements then we reserve the right not to deal with the request!

If your ban is related to cheating, then the Ambrosian Admin has a maximum of 48 hours to upload and provide the demo in this unban request. Please remember that Admins are only required to keep the demo for a duration of 7 days. After that they are not obliged to keep it any longer.

© Copyright of Ambrosia Unban Panel 2013
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: terraboN on January 06, 2014, 10:47:48 pm: Please use the form below :

Name:
SteamID:
Reason:
Date & Time:
Admin:
Server:
Have you been banned before:
Other:

Code: [Select]
Name: SteamID: Reason: Date & Time: Admin: Server: Have you been banned before: Other:
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: nYOUNG on January 06, 2014, 10:56:33 pm: Demo made by nYOUNG.
Banned by Cersei.
At the end of the demo its shows he clearly uses wh.

Name: loco
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:2020471806
Reason: Wallhack
Time & Date: 23:45 06-01-2014
Server: DD2
Evidence: https://www.mediafire.com/?38e82j0j1pc1xsm (https://www.mediafire.com/?38e82j0j1pc1xsm)
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: terraboN on January 06, 2014, 11:52:43 pm: After watching the demo about 3 times i have noticed some suspicious moves made by him through his behavior and playstyle.

In the first round of the demo, he walks straight into tunnels which is risky due to wallbangs and heads right immediately upon entering, killing an enemy. This gave me the first hint that he is wallhacking because normally players would check the opposite side of tunnels carefully for CT rushes and not go in immediately due to wallbang spots etc.

He also does an odd wallbang at long through the big box at the same location where a CT dies when his team pushes through long. Strange in my eyes.

Also i noticed how when he pushed through mid in the second round of the demo, he scanned the double doors while confidently pushing through in such a danger zone. He could easily have been wallbanged but it seemed like he knew where his enemies were so he didn't hesitate. He gave an odd prefire to two CT's on the other side of the double doors which looked mighty fishy. Afterwards he goes to short, scanning the walls very suspiciously and tracing his enemy accurately. He pushes and follows FMJ through the wall precisely, leading to a kill.

In round 3 of the demo he again pushes confidently through mid with almost no hesitation as he again scans the walls for the CT's on the other side of the double doors. He then enters tunnels and throws a nade but then oddly retreats back to short, which gave me the feeling he knew where the enemy were so he ran off for his own safety while his teammates were pushing through that same area. He then advances to short where he pushes swiftly with his teammates. The direction of his aim, over the steps of short, hinted to me he knew where the enemy exactly was. As his teammates die he begins to throw a smoke but then switches to an AK before the enemy reveals himself, thus preaiming and killing him.

The last kill is odd, as he pushes again through mid with no hesitation while scanning walls, he enters the tunnels and scans the walls on the left hand side, in the direction of T spawn, where Mohawk is in combat. He pre aims and pre fires, leading to a kill. This very last kill made it clear that he is wallhacking in my opinion.

A longer demo would have been better, but you still did a good job catching this cheater, nYOUNG.

Well that is my opinion on this case, any others want to share their thoughts?
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: nYOUNG on January 07, 2014, 12:02:41 am: Thanks Terrabon.. i was waiting for him to make that mistake i almost knew 100% sure he was hacking while other admin was hesitating.. so i made this demo as long as i could so he could get banned...
In my opinion Mission accomplished ..!!

Greats nYOUNG
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: thEnd on January 07, 2014, 04:55:23 am: Quote from: terraboN on January 06, 2014, 11:52:43 pm
The last kill is odd, as he pushes again through mid with no hesitation while scanning walls, he enters the tunnels and scans the walls on the left hand side, in the direction of T spawn, where Mohawk is in combat. He pre aims and pre fires, leading to a kill. This very last kill made it clear that he is wallhacking in my opinion.

Im sorry for beeing a bit harsh on you in this reply BUT are you serious?

Pre aim? Prefire? Clear wh?
Please 19:30 pause demo and go sec by sec until you will see the answ on hawks kill or change your gamma/brightness and res.
The rest of the demo some decent pre shoots, scared from teammates, and basic slow mid rusher tactics.

The tip is that if you play dd2 daily for years, a few things you just know better than just some random pub/classic players so that sometimes lead to the difference in the gameplay that for not a daily dd2 players can be seen as doggy.

1.Look TS team, they r on fire, pressing on camping and loosing CTS, loco goes usually behind his teammates and does a simple shots with laggy recoil spray that only can be looked as strange.

2.Pre shoots - simple attacking winning team strats as if you know ct players like FMJ WHO ALWAYS CAMPS IN SHORT.

3.You must know the players who been playing there for years to guess their tactics like hawks rage rush from always b behind the platfom box xD
and FMJ camping short the same spot already more than one year.

4.Ask a question - does loco gaining any uber advantage in this demo?

p.s. thats why cs mostly is gettin booring as you just know your mates and other players so you like playing the same from year to year.
p.p.s. pre aiming in mid doors to b ramp is every decent player preparing for pre aimed preshoot.
However loco must be atleast 20 yo? Your nonsteam status and replies are a bit odd for me thou but sorry for saying that. :D
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: terraboN on January 07, 2014, 07:59:10 am: Quote from: thEnd on January 07, 2014, 04:55:23 am
Quote from: terraboN on January 06, 2014, 11:52:43 pm
The last kill is odd, as he pushes again through mid with no hesitation while scanning walls, he enters the tunnels and scans the walls on the left hand side, in the direction of T spawn, where Mohawk is in combat. He pre aims and pre fires, leading to a kill. This very last kill made it clear that he is wallhacking in my opinion.

Im sorry for beeing a bit harsh on you in this reply BUT are you serious?

Pre aim? Prefire? Clear wh?
Please 19:30 pause demo and go sec by sec until you will see the answ on hawks kill or change your gamma/brightness and res.
The rest of the demo some decent pre shoots, scared from teammates, and basic slow mid rusher tactics.

The tip is that if you play dd2 daily for years, a few things you just know better than just some random pub/classic players so that sometimes lead to the difference in the gameplay that for not a daily dd2 players can be seen as doggy.

1.Look TS team, they r on fire, pressing on camping and loosing CTS, loco goes usually behind his teammates and does a simple shots with laggy recoil spray that only can be looked as strange.

2.Pre shoots - simple attacking winning team strats as if you know ct players like FMJ WHO ALWAYS CAMPS IN SHORT.

3.You must know the players who been playing there for years to guess their tactics like hawks rage rush from always b behind the platfom box xD
and FMJ camping short the same spot already more than one year.

4.Ask a question - does loco gaining any uber advantage in this demo?

p.s. thats why cs mostly is gettin booring as you just know your mates and other players so you like playing the same from year to year.
p.p.s. pre aiming in mid doors to b ramp is every decent player preparing for pre aimed preshoot.
However loco must be atleast 20 yo? Your nonsteam status and replies are a bit odd for me thou but sorry for saying that. :D

From my experience on DD2 players are more cautious then this guy, he just runs straight through mid, not even aiming at the gap between the door but through the door aiming at the CT's on the otherside.

I have lost my demoplayer a while ago, so i cannot really accurately view demos as i used to before, so i watched it more than 3 times, especially that part and it looked fishy. But you could be right, experience of the playstyle of other players could have been what happened there.

For me it is not about how much of an advantage someone is gaining, if someone is cheating, that is obviously not allowed. But this is why i asked for more opinions, i was tired yesterday and decided to quickly check this case before sleeping, so there was a big chance of me not looking at it right. Next time i will be awake on a case, thanks.
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: thEnd on January 07, 2014, 08:32:55 am: Well you two are almost ready to ban a guy for a wallhack. -.-
Never mind.

Use console command - viewdemo demo name instead of play demo. When you press esc you can bring up a demo menu.
Google search for complexity demo player to ease demo looking.

Terra within 3 years I've almost never seen you in dd2 and this is the case when we don't speak about the map but server. Double attention to the details as this this running when not looking gap - as I've said earlier. The factor that ts is the winning team, cts are low on money, there is not ct awper, there is ts rushing cat. Now think of how many percent of cts would dare to push. The chances is not high so it's quite massive push in all flanks and that does count in this case. As you said - he is not causious as other players - loco said he is not a regular player so his skills might be not sharpen that much to be cautious.

However that filthy Mohawk kill?
1. Loco even missed a sound trace.
2. He saw hawks feet and even reacted with delay.
3. This xhair pulling thru wall would show you that he couldn't lock on the target as he swinged aim a few times to precisely have a hitbox.

There is no wh but sure lets see what others have to say.
I'm not saying about his mouse sensitivity and bulet spread ...
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: Fisu on January 07, 2014, 08:58:11 am: Terra in some points you're judging wrong. We all got diffrent gameplays and we all move diffrent. Some are more skilled some less.

You say no one rushes mid, just back earlier on TS3 with some friends from germany I played and we rushed mid all the time without checking anything. 2 of 9 times we got shoot from mid, so it ain't always sure somone will be there to wallbang you.

And as you say why should he check short? Normally when I rush I check only the place I'm rushing, (thats why we rush) Going carefully through a place I check everything, and as I don't go always the same methode I don't play always the same. Exactly as he does.

You talk a lot about scanning walls, we all do that. In Dust2 I start scanning the seconds I leave spawn to go to long, I check mid, ok start scanning the part to move to long from the doors, as there's always a CT. (to obvious this map), that's why judging him for scanning walls is kinda unfair.

SBYE is an example too, dust2 freak FTW. Watch his gameplay you would see that it's very normal playing dust2 and scanning walls.

Now, the place he wallbangs him in long doors, box. Just want to tell you that, 9 of 16 players in CT dust2, rush long and spent 60 bullets spraying that door. I personally get 3 kills doing that, and I don't really care mostly T camp there and get killed. Dust2 is a obvious map and you can wallbang easly.

The last kill shows also again a change of his direction he went again through mid as he did in begining, but this time he checks other things and other spots and kills him while preaiming. (But if you would of done that you would of done exactly the same) Imagine yourself rushing, the first thing you do, is expect a player in the spot u're rushing. It's very normal that you preaim, why? You expect a player somewhere chances getting him are low but chances he's there, are big in dust2 they're even bigger then in a normal war.

It's the same as when I banned Max, he rushed short didnt check anything jumped ct spawn and preaimed to the ct and HS kill him. (all gameplay as he plays that daily he knows where they mostly hide)

Plus minus I saw this player playing and he's very very skilled. The demo shows his skills and no wallhack (in my eyes my opinion)

This guy is very friendly and mature from what I've seen.

@Banned guy you've got a screenshot in ur cstrike folder, uploud it so you can proof u didnt cheat.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: thEnd on January 07, 2014, 09:15:09 am: Sbye is chiiiitn.

Let's not crush too hard on tera in his first case.

Ambrosia is all about a discussion and we live in democracy where almost everyone can enjoy a freedom of speech:)
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: Fisu on January 07, 2014, 09:16:55 am: Quote from: thEnd on January 07, 2014, 09:15:09 am
Sbye is chiiiitn.

Let's not crush too hard on tera in his first case.

Ambrosia is all about a discussion and we live in democracy where almost everyone can enjoy a freedom of speech:)

Nono don't get me wrong, I clearly understand what he's saying and all of that makes sence, but this things he says can be on a cheater, but then it's a newbie, but how he moves and plays you can clearly see he's a trained player.

In a other map, I would agree to him, but dust2 is a to open, to many open places.
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: Raven E II R on January 07, 2014, 12:19:29 pm: And upload screenshot in your Cstrike folder de_dust20001 to tinypic.com

It will be there, so no excuses please.
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: terraboN on January 07, 2014, 04:00:20 pm: You may not have seen me thEnd because i use other nicks while playing DD2, i don't use terraboN, usually random nicks off the top of my head.

I did ask for other opinions since without the demo player my analysis is probably not going to be accurate, so thanks for sharing. thEnd viewdemo doesn't work, that was the first thing i tried, just crashed my CS.

When i used to play DD2 players were not like this guy, usually they would sit at top mid dodging awpers from CT spawn and not rushing like this, times have changed so i guess players have evolved in a way. Only a few rush, yes, but you cannot be serious. He is aiming at spots from behind the double doors where a CT would normally camp with an AWP, you call that normal? Normally you would be pre aiming where the CT comes through the doors.

Fisu about the long wallbang, i didn't find it suspicious but i wanted to note it to see if the regular DD2 players think it is abnormal or not, i spend most of my CS time on surf administrating so i am a bit rusty from the DD2 side of things.

Tbh i never thought he is WH, skillful instead. But i was half asleep and was in the mindset of him being a cheater from a few preaims and prefires which i beg my pardon for, will not happen again. In this case i trusted the admin to have been right, as the admins online noticed the same things as i did while viewing the demo. One thing that did catch my eye is when he switched from smoke to AK before the guy at short revealed himself, as strange.

Again this is why i asked for opinions, i wasn't 100% sure he was WH, there were a few things that made me feel as he is a legit player. I will be more active on DD2 and Public from now on so i get back in the swing of things, since it has been a while i have actively played those 2 servers so i am not as sharp on playstyles and common wallbang spots as i used to be.

Again, i apologize, no need to conceal anything thEnd, if i didn't do a good job tell me, so what if you crush me too hard? Least i know what to do next time.

I am not going to post the final decision on this one, DonTodo or Konvict can if they want to give their input.
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: Fisu on January 07, 2014, 04:05:18 pm: Terrabon no need to apologize at all. It was your opinion and ofc it was 99% right judgment, till the 1% where u said he wallhacks.

As everything you said was true, he did do everything you said ;)

BTW I love the way you write so much xD :)
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: thEnd on January 07, 2014, 05:56:37 pm: Quote from: thEnd on January 07, 2014, 09:15:09 am
Let's not crush too hard on tera in his first case.

I meant it. A judgment may not always be 100% right. Thats the tough part when you work in a panel. I would rather help you instead of crushing on your judgments.
As I have tried to show my point of view where entirely I couldnt spot anything, that doesnt mean I am right. To be fair - no one knows. We have cheaters amongst us and innocents banned and denied daily. No admin ever can be 100% successful. This thread like others is just a part of a discussion about the game that we love so much.

The judgement line (if there is one) for me is not what you have done but - what you gonna do next? How you will crush on analyzing the thread replies..

As for the offtopic I can say that in my past I had many beginners who were hated in JB or dd2 but when I was doing some input in teaching/helping them they become a loved players and even more. Criticism is not always a haterage, it moves the world and you to become better than before (if you have a brain and courage to accept and analyze).
No hard feelings, just were sharing my thoughts. :)
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: nYOUNG on January 07, 2014, 09:00:48 pm: Well if loco doesn't hack and he can prove this.. then i apologize ass well.. i'm not here to ban players that don't hack.. but for players that do hack... but the strangest thing about loco is you guys call a skilled player.. a skilled player always follows same routines and use them probably 75% of their game play.. loco doesn't and that made him suspicious in my eyes.. and again to you all if i made a mistake I'm sorry for that if not.. like i said cheater busted mission accomplished..

have a good one guys.
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: Konvict on January 09, 2014, 10:35:50 am: Still interested?

You have 24 hours to provide the screenshot.
Title: Re: BAnned
Post by: Konvict on January 10, 2014, 06:12:08 pm: Player lost interest.

DENIED