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Recruitment & Justice => Staff Complaints & Misconduct => Resolved Staff Complaints => Topic started by: owNz on August 03, 2013, 08:39:33 pm
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Playername: poufpanda Aka dew dewpanda
Steam-ID (If Possible): I don't have it
Server: Clanwar server
Date & Time: 10 mins ago
Complaint: Swearing Heavily
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197999968270/screenshots/?appid=0&sort=newestfirst&browsefilter=myfiles&view=imagewall&privacy=14 (http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197999968270/screenshots/?appid=0&sort=newestfirst&browsefilter=myfiles&view=imagewall&privacy=14)
Here^ is my SS library check it out :)
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i was there and he was swearing a lot so ?
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Seems really bad.
Poufpanda is an public admin ... So i will move this to admin complaint board (on owNz's request)
Racism aswell. I see no good in this.
Burzum and high staff will give their point in it
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Tbh this isnt the first guy to swear on cw server i got many people that sweared in cw server and didntmget a warning how abt we just warn him and a warning for all the players?
Since the cw server isnt in the redirects i think the rules arent same?
Even john swears many ppl in cw server
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Tbh this isnt the first guy to swear on cw server i got many people that sweared in cw server and didntmget a warning how abt we just warn him and a warning for all the players?
Since the cw server isnt in the redirects i think the rules arent same?
Even john swears many ppl in cw server
You'd Better watch your words instead of blaming people without providing some proofs.
Yes he was swearing , i warned him Trought admin chat and i slayed and kicked him too. I didn't assist to all those moments , i was mostly on steam trying to get people and sort out a mix.
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*couch* demoted +ban *couch*
few weeks
this cant be done by an ADMIN
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i was there and he was swearing a lot so ?
You And chaos were there too u and him were Swearing but even if i reporteed u and him it would only be solved with 1 hour ban or a kick ..
ray thnx.
mordecai even that many swear on CW ( which is 1 of ambrosia Servers u know ) that doesn't give him rights to do it u can report "The other" people that swears on the CW server and they will be punished and CW server have exactly same rules as other servers but some easy going with admins abusing rights but since the last demotion of all CW admins and picking new (who r supposed to be mature , strict and they don't abuse) the admin abusing thing is over now ( i guess )
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Tbh this isnt the first guy to swear on cw server i got many people that sweared in cw server and didntmget a warning how abt we just warn him and a warning for all the players?
Since the cw server isnt in the redirects i think the rules arent same?
Even john swears many ppl in cw server
New Admin Reports Policy (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=11.0)
Tbh this isnt the first guy to swear on cw server i got many people that sweared in cw server and didntmget a warning how abt we just warn him and a warning for all the players?
Since the cw server isnt in the redirects i think the rules arent same?
Even john swears many ppl in cw server
You'd Better watch your words instead of blaming people without providing some proofs.
Yes he was swearing , i warned him Trought admin chat and i slayed him too. I didn't assist to all those moments , i was mostly on steam trying to get people and sort out a mix.
just 1 question.
you said :
I didn't assist to all those moments
When he told you : Why don't you kick/ban people swearing.
You said : i do
He said : then do something about poufpanda
You said : where?
Have you ever thought of checking console ??
And apparently you're playing normal in SS .. you're killing normally
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That happened at the when the high staff set the server password protected (it was showed up trought normal chat) , if i remember at the beginning of this , and i wasn't on steam at this moment.
At this moment i was in-game , telling to people to invite some guy trought @ chat.
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i was there and he was swearing a lot so ?
You And chaos were there too u and him were Swearing but even if i reporteed u and him it would only be solved with 1 hour ban or a kick ..
About me , i was getting steam spammed panda singing his mic made me lag , his voice is awfull so i got mad and i said some bad words ::)
About him im sure he was mad enough to start that heavily swearing :[
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What an awful behavior. Consider yourself lucky that you are not in my admin team ;).
Anyway:
"Hitman" you are a vip in deathmatch server therefore i don't want to see such an attitude from you again.
Swearing/insulting in the server is not allowed under any circumstances. We have a "Report Board" for a reason.
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Well, he should get demoted instantly, haven't you seen what happened to Regalterror and Mister? the same is going on in here, anddd, he is doing this in ambrosia itself, while they did it in another community, sry bt swearing aint allowed my son.. :/
Edit: Can some1 go check at the bottom? PaNiC swearing in arabic..
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Well, he should get demoted instantly, haven't you seen what happened to Regalterror and Mister? the same is going on in here, anddd, he is doing this in ambrosia itself, while they did it in another community, sry bt swearing aint allowed my son.. :/
Edit: Can some1 go check at the bottom? PaNiC swearing in arabic..
I know xD he said eat Sh1t to some 1 . i thought panic is a vip on public so i wanted to report him but i discovered he is not VIP so i forgot to delete the pic :)
P.S : I didn't report bcz since he is a member he would get only a warning but if he was vip he would have been demoted bcz he broke 2 rules first talking another lang 2nd which he didn't really break it is no swear .
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Well, he's admin on multimod.
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Damn guys, by the looks of all the comments here, this just be a really bad demo.
I'll check it out tomorrow.
And no, imo withou watching the demo, you do not deserve to be demoted for swearing (depending upon the severity).
And btw Macta, regal and mister got demoted for jeprodising the communities image by threatening to Ddos the other communities server.
Mixes nowadays tend to mess up like this and seems to be ever more increasingly popular to treat the cwar server as if it is a gateway to foul behaviour.
John and poufpanda are good people who are funny and easy to get on with, but I say they shouldn't be demoted.
Just a warning.
Shall comment on the demo tomorrow.
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It's an ss not a demo :/
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UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The admins should be the people who clean the server from hax +swearing this should not happen! I wish that you guys will stop swearing -_-
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Well, he's admin on multimod.
U need to start respecting Panic. AS i could have banned u last time on MM for DISRESPECTING him. As u are trying just to get him demoted as quickly as possible.
I quote what u said: "U never deserved to become a admin" in admin chat. But thats not what this topic is about.
Dewdew his behaviour is just bad. He should be suspended at least for a couple weeks.
Then again the discussion here isnt needed aswell.
Ownz made solid proof and posted it.
It looks like when people are in CW they start showing themself as such a morons. (sorry for that)
@ John. He also swore at u a couple times and u did not respond on any of it. Only just like it was some kinda joke.
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It's an ss not a demo :/
Dont mind me, I'm on my iPod so I'm slightly blind :P
Shall check it out tomorrow still.
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who's actually in charge of multimod?
as he would be the one solving this, so i guess daniel or so has to solve this?
Its who's Pim ;) - ruby
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who'se actually in charge of multimod?
as he would be the one solving this, so i guess daniel or so has to solve this?
Burzum have to solve this ,panda is admin at public ...
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Todo, i apologized to him, he said np, and then suddenly, he started another fight for no reason.. + i asked him many times to find a solution, when YOU WERENT IN THE SERVER, he wasn't replying so, dont talk if u dont know the reason please.
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my bad, everyone was talking about panic so i accidently thought he was the admin swearing
about Panda, he's swearing heavily. yet in my opinion this is not as bad as if you swear in our public servers. they were in a closed area (server was locked) and only players mixing could join, that he got reported means it is still not okay as a report might show someone got insulted or offended.
yet i do think this is slightly less of a problem, i marked slightly as it is still not okay to do this!
Pim
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I'll accept any punishment the high staff is willing to take.
I'll agree that I misbehaved heavily.
My apologies. c;
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What an awful behavior. Consider yourself lucky that you are not in my admin team ;).
Anyway:
"Hitman" you are a vip in deathmatch server therefore i don't want to see such an attitude from you again.
Swearing/insulting in the server is not allowed under any circumstances. We have a "Report Board" for a reason.
im sorry man but this pouf panda made me feel angry he was swearing too much and too rude i said to him that im sorry anyway
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What is happening these days with admin.. ?
In my opinion.. The admin who swears heavily should face demotion..
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Saying "Yes,motherf*cker" is right damn unnecessary . He was swearing for no reason at all,making him no better than any other rule breaker in other servers.
In my opinion,suspension for a week or two.
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Saying "Yes,motherf*cker" is right damn unnecessary . He was swearing for no reason at all,making him no better than any other rule breaker in other servers.
In my opinion,suspension for a week or two.
he also was racist. he said the "N" word + swore to mothers more than once.
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I am aware of that,i just used this example to point out that this was reasonless,he wasn't in a fight with anyone , he just swore as looking for some kind of....outlift.
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Guys, don't argue about other people that were on cw server by that time.
If anyone swore, I provoked them, badly.
Well, then.
I'm rather aware of my position right now, still waiting for the high staff punishment.
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As I posted in solved admin complaint against John I still don't find it acceptable. If you had all that time to warn someone then you had enough time, because if I was busy I wouldn't look twice. If you cannot behave regardless who it is, out of the server, simple policy.
poufpanda, you know it wasn't acceptable, but your last reply was mature enough to make me think you will not repeat this sort of attitude in future.
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Hello.
Yesterday kayato were giving me a real time updates from the cw server. He poked me on the steam, but i was too busy to attend in the server so I advised kayato to do a ss and make a report as heavily swearing is not acceptable no matter is the server was locked or even the server of other community. Since there is a new "ambrosia`s admin report policy" that means ambro admins must be with a representable behaviour on all grounds.
Since it wasnt just a "friendly mix" as there was a random players and kayato was one of them i cant see any hate in this report. Its just normal that kayato asked to behave from panda and asked john to react. Apparently we ended up here in the pandas report because john as cw admin failed to keep the manners of the players. If even case against john is dropped I would love to see more actions from the cw admins if some players asking for so simple thing - KEEP CALM ALL THE PLAYERS.
As long as my jurisdiction is to keep the Clan War server in a good standing and a nice playground for all ambrosians I will ask histaff for a permission to issue a timed ban for a poufpanda in a length of 3 months for:
1.Heavy swearing.
2.Heavy repeated swearing.
3.Heavy swearing whilst ignoring other player calls to stop.
4.Heavy swearing whilst being an ambrosia`s admin
5.Racism.
As for burzum and Histaff I advise to remove his rank within all other areas where panda administrates.
This behaviour is not acceptable as the image of ambrosia`s admin team can be damaged. We value a maturity a lot.
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Hello.
Yesterday kayato were giving me a real time updates from the cw server. He poked me on the steam, but i was too busy to attend in the server so I advised kayato to do a ss and make a report as heavily swearing is not acceptable no matter is the server was locked or even the server of other community. Since there is a new "ambrosia`s admin report policy" that means ambro admins must be with a representable behaviour on all grounds.
Since it wasnt just a "friendly mix" as there was a random players and kayato was one of them i cant see any hate in this report. Its just normal that kayato asked to behave from panda and asked john to react. Apparently we ended up here in the pandas report because john as cw admin failed to keep the manners of the players. If even case against john is dropped I would love to see more actions from the cw admins if some players asking for so simple thing - KEEP CALM ALL THE PLAYERS.
As long as my jurisdiction is to keep the Clan War server in a good standing and a nice playground for all ambrosians I will ask histaff for a permission to issue a timed ban for a poufpanda in a length of 3 months for:
1.Heavy swearing.
2.Heavy repeated swearing.
3.Heavy swearing whilst ignoring other player calls to stop.
4.Heavy swearing whilst being an ambrosia`s admin
5.Racism.
As for burzum and Histaff I advise to remove his rank within all other areas where panda administrates.
This behaviour is not acceptable as the image of ambrosia`s admin team can be damaged. We value a maturity a lot.
Does the timed ban include all of ambrosia's servers, or is it just for the clanwar server?
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Hello.
Yesterday kayato were giving me a real time updates from the cw server. He poked me on the steam, but i was too busy to attend in the server so I advised kayato to do a ss and make a report as heavily swearing is not acceptable no matter is the server was locked or even the server of other community. Since there is a new "ambrosia`s admin report policy" that means ambro admins must be with a representable behaviour on all grounds.
Since it wasnt just a "friendly mix" as there was a random players and kayato was one of them i cant see any hate in this report. Its just normal that kayato asked to behave from panda and asked john to react. Apparently we ended up here in the pandas report because john as cw admin failed to keep the manners of the players. If even case against john is dropped I would love to see more actions from the cw admins if some players asking for so simple thing - KEEP CALM ALL THE PLAYERS.
As long as my jurisdiction is to keep the Clan War server in a good standing and a nice playground for all ambrosians I will ask histaff for a permission to issue a timed ban for a poufpanda in a length of 3 months for:
1.Heavy swearing.
2.Heavy repeated swearing.
3.Heavy swearing whilst ignoring other player calls to stop.
4.Heavy swearing whilst being an ambrosia`s admin
5.Racism.
As for burzum and Histaff I advise to remove his rank within all other areas where panda administrates.
This behaviour is not acceptable as the image of ambrosia`s admin team can be damaged. We value a maturity a lot.
Does the timed ban include all of ambrosia's servers, or is it just for the clanwar server?
Most likely all.
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I'd only go for CW server ban, but only 1 month.
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I'd only go for CW server ban, but only 1 month.
well that won't affect him since he doesn't mix much + the CW PW is only known by high staff so none is logging to it so maybe 2 -3 months ban on All servers.
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my jurisdiction ... Clan War server
@ sami, my thoughts were 1-3 months.
Why the heaviest punishment?
Players who swears that much are permbanned or having a 3 month ban. Also if even panda admits mistake it doesnt change the fact that he was ignoring the rest. And he is ambrosian admin.
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Everything has been said before, but since nobody listens so we have to keep going back and beginning all over again.
As I posted in solved admin complaint against John I still don't find it acceptable. If you had all that time to warn someone then you had enough time, because if I was busy I wouldn't look twice. If you cannot behave regardless who it is, out of the server, simple policy.
How easy this sentence can be said when you weren't in my situation. If you could explain me what do you called by "enough time" in those screenshot , i would be perennially grateful.
As i have previously said , yes i was busy on steam by trying to get some players and sort out a mix , i didn't really pay attention to what happened in-game , i didn't even notice that Panda did say the N word. I did notice the fact that panda insulted players , thats why i have warned him trought mic , then by slaying and kicking him once he stopped it.
I am patient with people who behave with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it.
You may say that we can't see the kick in the screenshots , If there is a way to check the Logs regarding the clanwar server , you would notice that i have kicked him trought console :
amx_kick panda "Arrete ça" Which mean "stop this" in French.
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Take in considerations that he is also penalized by removing his admin rights of the servers which he is assigned to.
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John, I am taking reference of your post in solved complaint against yourself, you said you warned him many times, also in your "defense" poufpanda said that you warned him loads of times. That does say something.
If you didn't see when he was insulting or using the "N" word and somebody was complaining about it, check console, although that might not work since if he is alive and you are dead you might not see it. Then again if someone is complaining even after you have asked him to stop, take that into consideration, you have the responsibility and as I said I don't care how busy you are, take your time to sort the server out, if you can't, then I don't see why you need admin rights on the server.
Don't forget, you were responsible there. Was there any other admin at that time? If not, full responsibility on you.
Stop making excuses.
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John, I am taking reference of your post in solved complaint against yourself, you said you warned him many times, also in your "defense" poufpanda said that you warned him loads of times. That does say something.
If you didn't see when he was insulting or using the "N" word and somebody was complaining about it, check console, although that might not work since if he is alive and you are dead you might not see it. Then again if someone is complaining even after you have asked him to stop, take that into consideration, you have the responsibility and as I said I don't care how busy you are, take your time to sort the server out, if you can't, then I don't see why you need admin rights on the server.
Don't forget, you were responsible there. Was there any other admin at that time? If not, full responsibility on you.
Stop making excuses.
Can we forget John, please?
This report is about me swearing, the other report got solved. So, if you would be kind enough and leave John out of this, thanks.
On another note, I'm still willing to take any punishment, even if it is a 3 month ban on all servers.It was all my fault, I'm willing to take all the responsibility even if it includes a permanent ban.
The only thing I'll ask of you guys is to leave the other persons who were in the server by that time out of this, thanks again.
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This report should go against both of you as personally I don't agree with it being solved for John, but I will respect Daniel's decision.
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Two words to ALL of you.
Grow up.
You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?
Poufpanda uses this manner in shoutbox, though NEVER did he get warned nor banned which is wrong. Shoutbox is basically equal as the server behavior.
It really gets on my nerves when I see crap such as this. If you guys cannot freaking control your behavior don't even apply to administrate on Ambrosia. As for snitches get a grip honestly.
I am sick of having to read such reports EVERYDAY of the entire MONTH !
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Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.
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Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.
Firstly, that was directed to him the first quote.
Second, I would very much appreciate if you do not tell me what my job is about and what to do and not to do. I have already banned him once on shoutbox for a day's time.
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Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.
Card does an excellent job as a FM an do not shift this conversation towards him.
Stop acting as if you are so perfect and that you are the best person in the world for this job.
You're gonna raise a few eyebrows and spark arguments if you keep up like that.
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We have just implemented a new Rule/ Policy specifically to deal with situations like this. In my opinion, considering that this is the first case since the new law came into force, I reckon that we should allow Raven to set the degree of punishment because no one knows the rule clearer than him atm. Once the precedent is set, this can then be used as a threshold for future cases.
Am not making fights so none plz say don't make fights but , since i am the 1 who reported and u are saying that u r sick of having such reports every day ? mm this is a bust report its not a fail report nor just a report that is going to be resolved with 1 day ban . and u are saying "You guys have absolutely nothing to do but cry to one another about that guy's behavior. Why not try to control your own before controlling somebody else's ?" i am not crying i just reported him for breaking server rules i do control my behavior i don't swear nor provoke any 1 so is that the control you want me to change it? and as u said that he always do that in shout box so if he does that why don't u since u r an FM give him a warning ? and btw that is 1 of your jobs as an FM u ain't doing ur job by letting him and others swear and provoke on Shout box while i did my job which is not even asked from me i reported a provoker using harsh words.
As far as I am concern, Card is very professional when it comes to fulfilling his tasks as a FM. I've seen him punishing members who are his own clanmates, steam and irl friends. There is no need to roll up your defensive sleeves, his post wasn't directed at you.
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had to do it :(
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Onyzz, you made my whole year.
I love you.
ON A COMPLETE UNRELATED NOTE: tun tun tuuuuuuuuuuuun.
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Refrain from spamming unrelated posts. I will leave this topic unlocked but bear in mind what I've said earlier.
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Sry that i have taken such a defensive side but i thought it was directed to me + i agree with firroth on letting this case go to raven.
Btw lets not discuss john's case in here since it is already solved.
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Onyzz, you made my whole year.
I love you.
ON A COMPLETE UNRELATED NOTE: tun tun tuuuuuuuuuuuun.
I had to warn the both of you. This kind of behavior should be done over the shoutbox or on steam...
I will lock this until Raven comes to a decision to prevent certain spams ^
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Sorry for my late reply
drn and I will discuss if we want admins with that behaviour in our team
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Okay, its quite a lond thread and a clearly hot topic for some people. Burzum and I have discussed it and feel action must be taken. We think we have a grasp on what happened and I shall summarize it below for convenience, any other admins feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
What we see is fragrant verbal abuse, intended to offend others, by an admin on an ambrosia server. He was asked to stop and didn't.
We feel a suspension and a time ban from CW server are quite appropriate but shall leave the final decision to the higher powers. In his defense it can be easy for people to forget that the CW server is still Ambrosia territory. We need to be very clear that it is, and the rules are the rules. Personally I feel if a firm warning from a responsible admin had been given at the time this whole issue may have been avoided. While we have been laxer in enforcing rules on the CW server recently, as is been viewed as private and most people seemed to be behaving and getting along reasonably. We feel in this instance they clearly didn't and the verbal abuse given was far beyond the pale.
I'm no angel, those that know me know I'm a Northerner from England and swear constantly when talking to my friends, but never to offend and if one asks you to stop then you respect their choice and tone it down. This went far beyond emphasizing a point or gentle ribbing of a friend. This was intended to offend and was clearly highly effective at doing so. As admins we must always remember players on ambrosia can be of any age and from any background, for some swearing is a massive taboo and especially abuse towards family members. In this context and from the evidence provided I would support a suspension of admin rights and a time ban from the CW server.
I hope all involved understand the thought process that led to this decision and will respect what ever punishment is ultimately issued by the senior admins when they review this case.
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I am sorry for spamming here, but is this solved already ? Should we move it to Resolved admin complaints ?
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I would drop the case due lateness of the review. :-\
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Due to lateness, this will be dropped.