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Recruitment & Justice => Staff Complaints & Misconduct => Resolved Staff Complaints => Topic started by: [K]ar!mooo # on June 04, 2013, 09:36:41 pm
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Admin:sami
Server:JB
Date & Time:Now
Complaint:doesnt know rules and slays/kicks/quits me for it
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...):you can check logs since i got quited i cant retrieve from console
so it was punishment day and the ct said : punishment day go to your toilet look down and keep spinning
as in punishment day there are no warningshots i see sami looking down spinning AND jumping so i kill him
and that follows with me getting slayed i tell him hes wrong etc but he keeps thinkinghes right so i got a little mad ye and said nub as he clearly dont know the rules
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Listen I said to you on the server, he didn't say that and even tho, warning shots are given regardless. There are no warning shots if someone is rebelling, attacking CT or is aiming a gun at CT. You give warning shots and explain the T why he would die if he continues to do it.
On the main point, commanding CT never said don't jump or only crouch look down and spin. So there I was following 3 commands and was doing extra one for my own satisfaction if you please.
As for reasons why I slayed you is you have to remember it's not always about killing. I would of slayed you if it was someone else and I saw it happening.
I quit you after you started to provoke me and later when you joined asked you to stop by saying "last warning" " I won't be discussing it here and you can report me on forum" you kept on going that's why I kicked you.
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well this did happen in game i was there but you karupee got some rude words up ur sleeve...
so my opinion is just a warn to sami and karupee(kangaroo)
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sami a PUNISHMENT day means no warning shots
and as he said go on your toilet crouching looking down and spinning you only have to do that and nothing else or i CAN kill you
edit : and thats what i tried to explain to you but you didnt listen and kept going so yea i said 1bad word "nub" and "learn rules" as it is this way.
in punishment day you can't do some other things cuz you feel like it or you die which you did.
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sami a PUNISHMENT day means no warning shots
and as he said go on your toilet crouching looking down and spinning you only have to do that and nothing else or i CAN kill you
edit : and thats what i tried to explain to you but you didnt listen and kept going so yea i said 1bad word "nub" and "learn rules" as it is this way.
in punishment day you can't do some other things cuz you feel like it or you die which you did.
Karimo...ur my friend and all but when someone says nothing in jb they can do anything they want...so if u dont say no jump they are free to do so. Example,its a cell day command is "stay in ur cell" They can do whatever they want while following the original command. Only when the command is look down and freeze they can't jump since the command is "freeze". Sowwy dont get mad at me :c
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sami a PUNISHMENT day means no warning shots
and as he said go on your toilet crouching looking down and spinning you only have to do that and nothing else or i CAN kill you
edit : and thats what i tried to explain to you but you didnt listen and kept going so yea i said 1bad word "nub" and "learn rules" as it is this way.
in punishment day you can't do some other things cuz you feel like it or you die which you did.
Karimo...ur my friend and all but when someone says nothing in jb they can do anything they want...so if u dont say no jump they are free to do so. Example,its a cell day command is "stay in ur cell" They can do whatever they want while following the original command. Only when the command is look down and freeze they can't jump since the command is "freeze". Sowwy dont get mad at me :c
not getting mad cuz it seems you werent there
the ct said go to your toilet look down keep spinning in punishment day. so why i should get mad? it was different story.
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sami a PUNISHMENT day means no warning shots
and as he said go on your toilet crouching looking down and spinning you only have to do that and nothing else or i CAN kill you
edit : and thats what i tried to explain to you but you didnt listen and kept going so yea i said 1bad word "nub" and "learn rules" as it is this way.
in punishment day you can't do some other things cuz you feel like it or you die which you did.
Karimo...ur my friend and all but when someone says nothing in jb they can do anything they want...so if u dont say no jump they are free to do so. Example,its a cell day command is "stay in ur cell" They can do whatever they want while following the original command. Only when the command is look down and freeze they can't jump since the command is "freeze". Sowwy dont get mad at me :c
not getting mad cuz it seems you werent there
the ct said go to your toilet look down keep spinning in punishment day. so why i should get mad? it was different story.
But but sami did the command,he did whatever u wanted him to do,thats the point of jb aint it? if he jumped no command was stopping him to jump. Same as the stay in cells command,no command is stopping them to do whatever in cells,just as long they follow the command,i hope you get it this time cuz i wont post anymore.
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Actually, i think karimoo is right on this
On every day warningshots MUST be given EXCEPT on punishment day, that is what makes it special, it is the only day you can kill without warningshots
You have to do the exact thing he says or he may kill you
Correct id wrong please
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Since when such a rule is written and Pim can you please show me which rule?
Never heard that warning shots disappear on punishment day, I don't see any reason for that. Also I doubt everyone would know that you have to do exactly everything what they say nothing else. It's a bit bizarre if you ask me.
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I said correct me if i'm wrong though, i ain't 100% sure and it is quite a while since i played jb but i think this is what punishment made special
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No rules about an Punishment day
->Any rule not listed here is not a jailbreak rules
http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0)
Maybe Karimoo didn't gave the punishment actions on an understandable way , which made Sami confused and slayed you ?
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I thought punishment day was special because you could give them extreme commands to do for a while till they hands die :D
Anyhow I did overlook rules and saw nothing about it.
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No rules about an Punishment day
->Any rule not listed here is not a jailbreak rules
http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0)
You searched the wrong place, try under days/special days as this ain't a rule but a day
The day ain't detailed enough at all though
Maybe Karimoo didn't gave the punishment actions on an understandable way , which made Sami confused and slayed you ?
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No rules about an Punishment day
->Any rule not listed here is not a jailbreak rules
http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0)
Maybe Karimoo didn't gave the punishment actions on an understandable way , which made Sami confused and slayed you ?
It wasn't karimo who commanded. Command was as crouch on the toilet look down and spin. Where I crouched, looked down and jumping while spinning same time. I was instantly killed for not spinning. Then Karimo said it wasn't for not spinning but, because I was jumping.
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*Punishment day:
Officers can do cell days or cage days that involve complicated or painful commands in other to "punish" the terrorists however they can do this day only once per map
Nothing about instant killing or that the commands must be completed as said and nothing else.
Therefore everything else is the same as giving warning shots and same as Frank explained, if its cell day we stay in cells doing whatever we want unless we have to freeze.
Enough said.
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No rules about an Punishment day
->Any rule not listed here is not a jailbreak rules
http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=8802.0)
Maybe Karimoo didn't gave the punishment actions on an understandable way , which made Sami confused and slayed you ?
It wasn't karimo who commanded. Command was as crouch on the toilet look down and spin. Where I crouched, looked down and jumping while spinning same time. I was instantly killed for not spinning. Then Karimo changed it, because I was jumping.
sry for my language but thats bs. i said i killed you for jumping dont try to change the story pls.
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Regarding sami, he shouldn't get into trouble as rules didn't state he did something wrong
But i do have the feeling quite some players misinterperate punishment rule then :)
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Karimo, you said at the very start when I asked you why you killed me - I wasn't spinning when I clearly was, you are the one who is changing the story.
Regarding sami, he shouldn't get into trouble as rules didn't state he did something wrong
But i do have the feeling quite some players misinterperate punishment rule then :)
Yes he did, freekilling me for completing command, then I wonder how many other people have been killed this way. Freekilling is not allowed specially if someone is completing command. There was nothing in command not to jump or that you have to freez, which then would overrule the spinning which you couldn't do if you had to freeze.
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Karimo, you said at the very start when I asked you why I killed you - I wasn't spinning when I clearly was, you are the one who is changing the story.
Regarding sami, he shouldn't get into trouble as rules didn't state he did something wrong
But i do have the feeling quite some players misinterperate punishment rule then :)
Yes he did, freekilling me for completing command, then I wonder how many other people have been killed this way. Freekilling is not allowed specially if someone is completing command. There was nothing in command not to jump or that you have to freez, which then would overrule the spinning which you couldn't do if you had to freeze.
You are changing the story . but ok wont get into this with a forum moderator cuz we know who gets right everytime.
And no one said freeze but ok...
And @ pim : yea i think so cuz everyone i ever saw commanding did punishment day like this...
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Karimo, you said at the very start when I asked you why I killed you - I wasn't spinning when I clearly was, you are the one who is changing the story.
Regarding sami, he shouldn't get into trouble as rules didn't state he did something wrong
But i do have the feeling quite some players misinterperate punishment rule then :)
Yes he did, freekilling me for completing command, then I wonder how many other people have been killed this way. Freekilling is not allowed specially if someone is completing command. There was nothing in command not to jump or that you have to freez, which then would overrule the spinning which you couldn't do if you had to freeze.
You are changing the story . but ok wont get into this with a forum moderator cuz we know who gets right everytime.
And no one said freeze but ok...
And @ pim : yea i think so cuz everyone i ever saw commanding did punishment day like this...
If i remember correctly even monster does it like that :D
Lemme contact monster to finish this :)
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Warning shots must be given, that is in the rules.
Oh and btw Karimo, I am not right all the time and I know that, because I have a rank doesn't make me have more power over you or this report. We stand between the right and wrong and if you are right, even if I disagree with it I will apologize to you.
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OMG! someone jumped! Kill him!
kick, rage, report whatever.....
-.- silly report, silly JB
Warned for disrespecting JB and the guy which made the report also doing an offtopic useless post which is unnecessary and is giving a bad example to the members.
Monster
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OMG! someone jumped! Kill him!
kick, rage, report whatever.....
-.- silly report, silly JB
omg i think im funny. lets go and post something useless.
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OMG! someone jumped! Kill him!
kick, rage, report whatever.....
-.- silly report, silly JB
omg i think im funny. lets go and post something useless.
Yeah u should report me! ::)
Well he didnt report you but there was no need for him to do it because i saw the post myself. Also this isnt the say you should act as a HAA.
Monster
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OMG! someone jumped! Kill him!
kick, rage, report whatever.....
-.- silly report, silly JB
Yeah u should report me! ::)
wahahaha still...NOT funny ^^
omg i think im funny. lets go and post something useless.
Warned for spamming. If such cases you just press the report botton and dont make a post.
Monster
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If you are after some figurative explaining, I don't mind to waste my time to tell it.
There has been always a controversy of people to must(that is an enforced-order which has to be done without question) about the: Warningshots. Punishment day resembles a day inclusive of commands quite time wasting and strictly hand-occupied, this also allows ct's to keep the control better. If one of those extreme conditions aren't completed you are gonna be shot. If there aren't many rebels on punishment day, the mood is more relaxed and ct's aren't frankly gonna instant kill people on the day, exception goes for those who are afk or have the commands so mixed up is nerve-braking. There is one moral hidden period when the ct's are just really bad, that t's don't care if they get killed or not. Since they are expecting the round to be over in no less then 4 mins.
On the platform of this report, you got slayed because sami as always never backs away from his redlines (this is traditional for sami, and he is known for it). Going in an debate with him is gonna end often bad, unless he didn't slept well =D. Now, as I was saying he can(and will) immediately slay people without predicting the outcome(mathematically in 5 seconds). Following your bigger issue, he can easily twist the things the way he likes and like it or not; You are owned. One thing to note is, if he didn't had cooperation from you, ethically leading him to slay or admin intervention.
I didn't really understand of who had the title of being the commander since this report is just confusing to my level even, however I justify that his tasks were in the position of provoking but right encirclements. Because there is no rule for ct's gaining an option to instant kill on this day. Therefore being ct has it's consequences and rewards, but ambrosia's composition has many risky ct's. Really weak and verbally inaccurate.
Summarizing, to not risk being slayed or forced to explain why you killed him or etc, open your eyes and coordinate what is the right thing to do with the person your dealing.
Ex: Newcomers have no understanding of the game and are easily dealt with, but oldies and people with high value of verbal confrontations on the other hand might lead to a permanent ban if not treated carefully.
P.S: I'm sorry if I offended(anyone) or proclaimed some animal-type of analyzation so I'm expecting TL;DR
Thanks for understanding.
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From all what I read I only understand that I immediately slay people for almost no reason or that I am waiting for that chance? Also that I manipulate and twist things to benefit me. Had a good laugh, you might be right, I am the slay monster on the whole JB.
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Common sami, you know that when someone doesn't explain why they killed you, he is gonna be slayed in the next 5 secs. But that wasn't the point I wanted to run through. Might want to read the other part.
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OMG! someone jumped! Kill him!
kick, rage, report whatever.....
-.- silly report, silly JB
omg i think im funny. lets go and post something useless.
Yeah u should report me! ::)
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD. that was funny one.
and idd, Jb went full retarded 1-2 yeara ago, not saying that "bad" way, just my opinion ;I
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Lol indeed Sami doesn't know JB rules.
Btw sami I haven't reported you for that but why have u made me quit the game and then banned me for 30 mins for swearing?
There was admins all the day and no1 gave me any warning and then you came and started your nice comedy...
This was 3 days ago I think...
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Well sami is a great admin in jailbreak but when it comes to take action he is a bit to harsh. I understand that he started being a bit harsh since jailbreak changed a lot and people also. Well to honest jailbreak is not easy to handle when every one spams and break rules in same time so its annoying.
There is no rule about punishment day to kill directly, well as people say that they saw monster doing it so "Its allowed". Well then we need to make rules more simple.
i think that you guys just misunderstood each other. So just creat a topic in jailbreak section to see how should we do this. Add a rule to kill directly? or Give warning shots dont kill diretcly?
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1. Punishment = no warning shots. Thats why its called punishment.
2. Kamiro , since the CT you were playing with didnt mention in his command 'NO JUMPING' , it IS allowed to jump. As i did the same thing with monster. He told me that i didnt say no jumping and i killed him. Then yes thats freekilling. If you say crouch look down and freeze ONLY, he's allowed to jump then since he's doing all your commands.
Kamiro you're one of my best friends here. And sami has a rank.
I didnt go with sami because he's ranked , but because he's riight in this case.
( i love u xD )
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1. Punishment = no warning shots. Thats why its called punishment.
2. Kamiro , since the CT you were playing with didnt mention in his command 'NO JUMPING' , it IS allowed to jump. As i did the same thing with monster. He told me that i didnt say no jumping and i killed him. Then yes thats freekilling. If you say crouch look down and freeze ONLY, he's allowed to jump then since he's doing all your commands.
Kamiro you're one of my best friends here. And sami has a rank.
I didnt go with sami because he's ranked , but because he's riight in this case.
( i love u xD )
Traitor.
However i'm with Karimoo not because he is my mate or something like that. When it's punishment day we can kill you without giving any warning ( if you're not doing our commands ) . I was there when this thingy happened. Karimoo killed you because you were *jumping* while the commander didn't say *to jump*. And there are no warnings for this. You must do just the command of the officer not what you like to do, even thought you were doing his command + jumping like a monkey
@Sami , you didn't do the right thing by quiting him. You could just tell him "You freekilled me , and that's why ....." I don't think that karimoo wanted to freekiller you like a boss and wouldn't give you freeday.
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1. Punishment = no warning shots. Thats why its called punishment.
2. Kamiro , since the CT you were playing with didnt mention in his command 'NO JUMPING' , it IS allowed to jump. As i did the same thing with monster. He told me that i didnt say no jumping and i killed him. Then yes thats freekilling. If you say crouch look down and freeze ONLY, he's allowed to jump then since he's doing all your commands.
Kamiro you're one of my best friends here. And sami has a rank.
I didnt go with sami because he's ranked , but because he's riight in this case.
( i love u xD )
about your 1.
i thought the same thing, yet it ain't like that. rules clearly state in Sami his favor, either the rules have to be changed so it is more detailed or we need to update every player ingame :)
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1. Punishment = no warning shots. Thats why its called punishment.
2. Kamiro , since the CT you were playing with didnt mention in his command 'NO JUMPING' , it IS allowed to jump. As i did the same thing with monster. He told me that i didnt say no jumping and i killed him. Then yes thats freekilling. If you say crouch look down and freeze ONLY, he's allowed to jump then since he's doing all your commands.
Kamiro you're one of my best friends here. And sami has a rank.
I didnt go with sami because he's ranked , but because he's riight in this case.
( i love u xD )
Traitor.
However i'm with Karimoo not because he is my mate or something like that. When it's punishment day we can kill you without giving any warning ( if you're not doing our commands ) . I was there when this thingy happened. Karimoo killed you because you were *jumping* while the commander didn't say *to jump*. And there are no warnings for this. You must do just the command of the officer not what you like to do, even thought you were doing his command + jumping like a monkey
@Sami , you didn't do the right thing by quiting him. You could just tell him "You freekilled me , and that's why ....." I don't think that karimoo wanted to freekiller you like a boss and wouldn't give you freeday.
Wasnt sami doing what was supposed from him to do ? Yes.
Did the officer say 'no jumping' ? No.
Then he's allowed to do it because he isnt breaking the command of the officer.
1. Punishment = no warning shots. Thats why its called punishment.
2. Kamiro , since the CT you were playing with didnt mention in his command 'NO JUMPING' , it IS allowed to jump. As i did the same thing with monster. He told me that i didnt say no jumping and i killed him. Then yes thats freekilling. If you say crouch look down and freeze ONLY, he's allowed to jump then since he's doing all your commands.
Kamiro you're one of my best friends here. And sami has a rank.
I didnt go with sami because he's ranked , but because he's riight in this case.
( i love u xD )
about your 1.
i thought the same thing, yet it ain't like that. rules clearly state in Sami his favor, either the rules have to be changed so it is more detailed or we need to update every player ingame :)
Im with you with updating the rules. And especially the vent rule. Because most of te vent rules arent mentionned in the rules.
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I see this goes in parts.
Any rule not listed isn't a JB rule. If Monster is doing it, then he is wrong.
Killing instantly for doing command is freekilling and I slayed you for that.
Lol indeed Sami doesn't know JB rules.
Btw sami I haven't reported you for that but why have u made me quit the game and then banned me for 30 mins for swearing?
There was admins all the day and no1 gave me any warning and then you came and started your nice comedy...
This was 3 days ago I think...
Yes I don't know the rules :D bad admin or admins ;)
Powerdark, I didn't quit him for that. ;)
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Stop blaming sami for not knowing the rules. Monster has to put all the rules in the jailbreak rules topic.
Lagger , you're new here. Playing since 1-2 months.
When i first started playing jailbreak , it took me ALOT of time to learn the rules and not to break it.
I know that karimo is an old jailbreak player , but this rule isnt writen in the rules. So there's a misundetstanding between you two.
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I doubt there's much misunderstanding. Freekilling is freekiling. You don't kill no matter what day it is for tiny things. I have done punishment days, didn't kill people madly, I don't want to kill people I want them to suffer if you know what I mean hahaha :D
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What i want to know is, have we all been freekilling T's on all the punishment days when we think we must insta kill them? I do not know why and how this fake rule was spread around
Confused.com
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Well thats the rule about the punishment day:
- Officers must always give warning shots to prisoners before killing, unless the prisoner attacks and inflicts damage,
a prisoner aims a weapon at an officer, or a prisoner is rebelling. This rule does not also apply while playing games or it is Punishment day.
What i understood from that report is that you killed sami because he was jumping. If i am rights and your command was crouch, look down keep spinning. As you arent saying he isnt allowed to jump this means he is allowed to do what ever else he wants just if he is crouching, spinning and looking down. The same way if the command is get on the bed and crouch (as the commander doesnt say freeze) this means that Ts are allowed to move. Because if you say get on the bed and crouch and i jump then you cant kill me. The same way you cant kill sami as you didnt say do anything else you die.
Sami us allowed to slay you when you freekill him even if it is harsh. And is allowed to kick you when you tell him nub because this is disrespecting.
Regards,
Monster
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Thanks Monster for clearing it, but i was wondering the rule you posted:
a prisoner aims a weapon at an officer, or a prisoner is rebelling. This rule does not also apply while playing games or it is Punishment day.
Which one is right here:
This rule also applies while playing games or it is punishment day.
Or
This rule does not apply while playing game or it is punishment day. :D
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Thanks Monster for clearing it, but i was wondering the rule you posted:
a prisoner aims a weapon at an officer, or a prisoner is rebelling. This rule does not also apply while playing games or it is Punishment day.
Which one is right here:
This rule also applies while playing games or it is punishment day.
Or
This rule does not apply while playing game or it is punishment day. :D
Sami better reread it m8 :D
- Officers must always give warning shots to prisoners before killing, unless the prisoner attacks and inflicts damage,
a prisoner aims a weapon at an officer, or a prisoner is rebelling. This rule does not also apply while playing games or it is Punishment day.
In green is the rule and the part in red means that the rule in green doesnt apply on this day + on games. So in normal days = warning shots but the rule for warning shots does NOT apply when it is a punishment day or Ts are playing any games or a T is aming a gun.
I hope you got it now ;)
Regards,
Monster
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Warning shots should be given unless prisoner has a gun and is aiming with it at a CT, inflicting damage or rebelling which is running away without following the command. Any other case no matter what game/day it is, warning shots must be given.
Punishment day should be punishing them not just plain kill them, it's boring.
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Well sami we have this punishment day from half an year or something :D Also it can be done only 1 time per map. And i dont think CTs will do it when Ts arent rebeling so it is done with a reason ;)
Regards,
Monster