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Is anyone here reading Game of Thrones?Just finished book 5 have to wait for 6 till 2014 apparently. Want to know if you are reading what do you think, if not reading I suggest you do ha! ;)
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What is it about? :o
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Game_of_Thrones (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Game_of_Thrones) Its too much to explain, I just want to say that plot is amazing, characters are extremely interesting and realistic, for example there is not really a good or bad, every good character has a bad side and every bad character can be liked at some level. It is mostly about the realm which is not in our world. There are humans, there is magic (not very prominent), Knights, kings. I have never read anything so enchanting in my life and I read a lot. Feel empty now :(
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 10:44:30 am
I have been surprised again and again with the way the story goes and with the depth of characters.
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I am not reading it coz I dislike books, but I watched 1st season of series and can't wait till 2nd, love Game of Thrones :)
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Yes the series are very good and quite good to follow the books. But it is lacking one thing, in the book you can get into the heads of characters and know what thye are thinking, so you know them better.
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Yes the series are very good and quite good to follow the books. But it is lacking one thing, in the book you can get into the heads of characters and know what thye are thinking, so you know them better.
I totally agree, oh well, at least there's internet for reading more info about characters and "getting into their heads" :)
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Trust me no amount of google, wiki can help you in that. But I understand some people just dont like reading even though it is hard to imagine why:). Season 2 starts February?
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Only books i read are my ACCA ones :(
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There alsi is TV series out who prefers watching :)
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Read them all and loved all but the last 2. AFFC was ok but ADWD was so bad. It had it's moments but parts of it were dire. Mostly the Meereen stuff which just dragged on and on. Hopefully that looks to be over with now so I have high hopes for the next book.Highly recommend the series if you're into fantasy or just like reading in general. Definitely 1 of the greats and easily rivals LOTR in my opinion.
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I was not happy with George devideing book 4-5 characters, like you I dont enjoy too much visiting 9 free cities, I prefer to know what is going on in Westeros. My favorite chapters are with Jon, Tyrion, Arya so was hard to wait to see what was going on with others. I am not a great fan of Daenerys but starting to like her little better. I hope what happened to Jon Snow in the end is not the end of him (spoilers sry)all in all I do love the all 5 same way. Ending of 5 was really sadistic from the writer since we have to wait a while now.Thanks for the reply
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Some MASSIVE spoilers here about Jon so look away now if you don't want to know.He might not be dead. His body is( for now ;)) but his mind isn't. He's a warg and ghost was nearby so he could've easily shifted into him like the other warg did at the start of the book.Not only that but Martin is causing a LOT of confusion with who Azor Ahai actually is and the fact that whenever Melisandre looks into the flames to search for AA, who she thinks is Stannis, the flames keep showing her Jon instead. Combined with the other Red Priest conveniently showing the healing powers they have with Victarion the next book should be very interesting.Also something I remembered as I was about to post this. Being killed and brought back releases Jon's ties with the night's watch.
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Trust me no amount of google, wiki can help you in that. But I understand some people just dont like reading even though it is hard to imagine why:). Season 2 starts February?
I do trust you, but internet could help, not fully like books but still can :DNo :(Unfortunatelly they moved it for April 2012...
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I have read suggestions that Melisandre used Glamor on Jon Snow as she did on Mance Rayder. Some people think Jon is the third head of a dragon. Arghhh how can he do this to us? :))I was not really loving Jon Snow untill he has become Lord Commander of The Night's Watch, since than He became my favorite.
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Never heard about the glamor theory..hmm, maybe. Actually makes a bit of sense with the way he was acting before it happened as well. Still, knowing Martin he has just offed him.
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To be honest I dont see how can Jon carry on just being a warg. I really think that Glamor version is the one, or that Melisandre will bring him back to life, but highly unlikely, he has no future as a character being undead. Knowing George I think he will surprise us.
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 12:56:42 pm
One thing is strange with the last chapter of Jon. Why did the wolf bore his teeth when Jon went in? and why did Karstark taken to howling at nights in the ice cells? Could it be that Melisandre swaped them? Jon would never propose to NIght's Watch to retake Winterfell, Also Jon had moved Karstark to the old Mormont's cells, but what happened to the other one? They said there were 2 live bodies in the ice cells and 3 dead.Yet he said to move Karstark to the old Mormonts quarters.Only reason Karstark would agree to glamor was if Jon proposed that he couls retake Winterfell.
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One thing is strange with the last chapter of Jon. Why did the wolf bore his teeth when Jon went in? and why did Karstark taken to howling at nights in the ice cells? Could it be that Melisandre swaped them? Jon would never propose to NIght's Watch to retake Winterfell, Also Jon had moved Karstark to the old Mormont's cells, but what happened to the other one? They said there were 2 live bodies in the ice cells and 3 dead.Yet he said to move Karstark to the old Mormonts quarters.Only reason Karstark would agree to glamor was if Jon proposed that he couls retake Winterfell.
Never thought of that but it does actually make a lot of sense. I just took Ghost baring his teeth to me that he was trying to warn Jon about what was about to happen but it just as easily be like you said, Karstark with a glamor on. That brings up a whole load of problems though. Jon distrusts Karstark so why would he risk not only letting him free, but make it so he has full control of the night's watch. Then theres the fact that Ghost has to been show to not really give a damn about people other than Jon( and even ignores his orders at times) so if he did sense or know that it wasn't really him then what was stopping him from ripping "Jon" to pieces.This is 1 of the reasons I love this series tbh. So many theories about whose who and what's actually happening. There was 1 about Jon really being the Prince who would be or whatever they called him before someone we thought was long dead showed up out of nowhere.
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you are right, my explanation has a loop holes all over, but there might be a hidden conversatio between him and Melisandre which we did not see before, but than again before they attack Jon, he thinks maybe Mellisandre was right about " look in to the skies" so it makes me think it I still Jon. I really dont know what to think, I do hope his body is not gone.What you think can be possible, we still do not really know who is Jon's mother, It very well can be one of Targaryen's, maybe that is why Ned never mentions the woman who bore him, She may be of Targeryen blood, even not a trueborn, but a natural daughter.I really can not wait. So who do you like the most? I mean it can not be only one, I have few
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:16:57 pm
I really still do not understand why Karstark is howling at night and why Jon has Ghost locked away since the Vlidlings came to Night's Watch. I dont think Boar excuse is enough, since they could very well keep the skinchanger away from the main quarters.I think I am going to re-read te whole 5 before 6 comes out, too many characters.
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:26:13 pm
ah and how can we be sure his father is Ned? He very well maybe son of someone important, I take back Targeryen cause they all have silver hair and purple eyes.
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Same as your favourites actually. The 3 of them have the most interesting chapters imo. I used to like Danny but after the last book I've gone off her. She's a really irritating character right now with how naive she is. I just hope that the next book redeems her and with the way her chapter ended it looks promising.Just to add another theory, you're actually half right about the Targeryn blood. The most popular theory when it comes to Jon's parents is that his mother is actually Ned's sister, Lyanna and Rhaegar is his father. It's never actually made clear whether or not he actually kidnapped her. All we know for certain is that they went off together and they had a history in that Rhaegar named her the Queen of Love and Beauty instead of his own wife at a tournament. It's the reason that Jon is thought to not only be 1 of the 3 heads of the dragon but also why the idea that he was the "prince who was promised"( I knew I got the name wrong earlier) came about. It would also explain why Ned refused to talk about the mother really was. He knew that if Robert found out he would have Jon killed.
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Oh My God! I have never thought of that!NOw it is clear! you may be totally right. I always thought it weird that Lyanna died, all in blood. We know Rhaegar kidnapped her and raped her, but somehow it did not seem valid excuse for her death. Now I can see that she might have died of childbirth. Remember? when Ned always thinks of Lyanna he remembers " Promise me Ned" only this, so she made him promise to protect Jon. Dragon Has 3 heads: Daenerys,Prince Aegon and Jon!
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:37:26 pm
Also I hate Rhaegar all through the book, no one else mentions him raping Lyanna only Starks and Robert. Remember when Baristan the Bold was telling Daenerys about Rhaegar, he never said that he raped Lyanna. It very well maybe they were in love.Everyone has only good things to say about Rhaegar and I kept wondering what about Lyanna? he was a bad man, but now I am not sure.
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 05:41:08 pm
I also hope Cersei will not be broken, I really like her character, she is very complex and interesting even though she is a bitch.
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If that theory actually turns out to be true then Martin wrote it perfectly. Yes people figured it out years in advance but your response is the reason it works. Certain people paint Rhaegar to be a monster but the majority of the kingdom adored him like you said and whilst I haven't read the other books in years, it's only people like Robert that truly hate him. I don't think Ned ever states that he hated him for "kidnapping" Lyanna and if they really did run off together that would explain why.I'm really not sure on Cersei anymore. I hated her at first (and the show just made me hate her even more, and don't even get me started on Joffery) but after AFFC and ADWD she's starting to grow on me. She's incredibly twisted and ruthless but she does what's best for her children. No matter the cost as she showed in ADWD. She's the way she is due to growing up a Lannister and then being the wife of Robert and lets face it, who wouldn't be bitter and twisted with that thing crawling into bed next to you each night.
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I used to hate Cersei but I agree with you, George made amazing choice to bring in Jaimie and Cersei chapters in the book. I really wanted Jaimie to die and now he is becoming one of my favorites, that shows how a bad person is not always bad, that characters are not just black and white. I really hope He will not die, but I have a feeling all Lannisters will. Tyrion is little passive right now, I loved when he was a King's hand. Jeoffrey's Death was the best thing that happened as Ned's death had me crying hard. I had never truly loved young Wolf, maybe because we dont have a direct contact with him, However the Red Wedding was a huge shock for me and I hope Freys will pay. Sme about Theon, I wanted him to die with the worst possible death, but George turned it around ina way that I am hoping for him to escape.What about secondary chracters? I like Littlefinger very much as an interesting character and Varys is an enigma for me, I still dont know how I feel about him, even though I was happy that he turned up in the end, a good ending. I really want to know who he is, he says he serves the realm and he has proven to be most extremely unhelpful and dodgy and than helpful and concerned.Sansa is my least favorite, I think she has to show some strenght soon.
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Varys confuses me as well. I think he's been working with Griff the whole time so everything he's done has been a build up to the Targeryns reclaiming the Kingoms. Same goes for the fat guy that looked after Danny( I'm terrible with remembering names in this series, there are so many of them).Definitely agree about Jaimie though. He's done a 180 as far as I'm concerned. At first he was really unlikeable but after Brienne showed up he changed for the better. It's 1 of the biggest reasons I love the series. All of the characters have so many layers to them. No-one is what they seem and even after you think you have them figured out they reveal another secret. Like littlefinger who just both confuses me and creeps the hell out of me with the whole Sansa/Cat thing. Is it just me or is the Sansa in the show the most annoying person to have ever existed?
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hahaha wait his name is Ilario Mopatis haha lol for a moment I thought you were talking about Strong Belwas :). I respect Littlfinger for his wits. Sansa? I could not stand her, but I am hoping she will become strong. I dont see where Arya is going by staying in the house of Black and White and I fear one day she will be instructed to kill someone from her family. How strange it all started, I thought Catelyn would go to the King's Landing and reveal secret to Ned, they would confront Cersei in a front of Robert and the bitch would pay. But this stupid woman started the war! I dislike her with great intensity, all of this is her fault, but than if not her we would not have this story :)Forgot to mention I loved Sendor CLegane from the start, mainly because he is an evil and he admits it and he never pretends to be anyone but himself. I was hoping he would stay in the story and was really sad when he died.Arya is really amazing, I have never been dissapointed with her chapters.Alspo what happened with the Maeter that went ot meet Daenarys? he never seems to reach Mereen ( you know the one with the burning glass candle?) and also who is the woman who always warns Daenarys.
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The maester may show up in the next book. AFFC and ADWD took place at the same time remember so the story hasn't really advanced in a while. I'm guessing the woman will be revealed in the next book as well. My hope is that the next book is the 1 that will answer a lot of the questions. I fear that if it some parts of the story go on for much longer it will feel like it's being dragged on *glares at Danny and all of the Meereen chapters*We still don't know who the 3 heads are, who the 3 betrayals will be( or rather, we only know of Jorah really and even that I have my doubts about), who Jon's parents are, who Azor Ahai is, what the house of the black and white is, who the Others are, what the greenseers actually are and what will happen to Bran, what Littlefingers true intentions are.......I could go on but I would be dragging on myself.
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 07:33:01 pm
Oh and there's also a chance that Gregor Clegane is still "alive" in the form of the new knight Cersei has. His description so far matches that of Gregor and we know that he was being tortured after the duel. So yea...So many plot points.
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The new Mountain is for sure Gregor Clegane, I agree with all the questions you have asked and I also agree Jorah is not betrayer. Azor Ashai I thought was danny as she was born form fire and ash, bit I dont know. I think 3 heads are Daenerys, Aegon and Jon.Will be interesting what happens as Nymeria is coming to the King's Landing (beautiful name btw). I dont know what will happen in the book 6 since there also is going to be book 7. Hate the waiting!
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AHa lol ! you two fit .... as nerds lol
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:D :) I dont mind
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 08:06:14 pm
Lol you dont tell you you read all haha I won't believe you
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AHa lol ! you two fit .... as nerds lol
So what, nerds could be cool :DI am not nerd coz I don't read, but still...And I would join the conversation but don't wanna read those stuff they posted coz of spoilers xD
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AHa lol ! you two fit .... as nerds lol
Actually I'm a geek. God, if you're going to insult me atleast get it right.
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you do realize Toxic you will have to wait 4 more years to find out this stuff? better read a book if you read slow you could have all the info in 1 year, otherwise series come out once a year lol
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you do realize Toxic you will have to wait 4 more years to find out this stuff? better read a book if you read slow you could have all the info in 1 year, otherwise series come out once a year lol
Yes, I do realise that :D Nah, I don't read slow, I read fast like a robot coz I don't like to read and I wanna finish as soon as possible xDAnd maybe I will take your advice and read the book(s) but trust me, that would be a miracle, I am very hardheaded and very rarely listen to advices from other people :P
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Something I forgot to mention earlier. Don't buy the game if you've seen it on steam and were tempted. I made the mistake of buying it and it's terrible. Takes ages to load the game itself and when you start playing it feels really slow.
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Something I forgot to mention earlier. Don't buy the game if you've seen it on steam and were tempted. I made the mistake of buying it and it's terrible. Takes ages to load the game itself and when you start playing it feels really slow.
Guessed that game isn't good, I wish they made an open RPG sandbox game, something like TES (The Elder Scrolls) serial, that would be awesome :D
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Bethesda were actually asked to make 1. They turned the offer down though because they wanted to focus on their own series.
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Thanks for the advice! I was considering it, but I am actually going to buy Skyrim! Love Elder Scrolls.
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 08:41:38 pm
Toxic if you have said that you take the advice but act on contrary I would say dont read it dont read it dont read it and make you read it that way :) I guess nothing on earth will make you move so be my guest and let me know what happens in 4 years :)
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Bethesda were actually asked to make 1. They turned the offer down though because they wanted to focus on their own series.
Rly? Damn, I wish they made it, Bethesda is the best company, my favorite :DThanks for the advice! I was considering it, but I am actually going to buy Skyrim! Love Elder Scrolls.
Post Merge: October 19, 2011, 08:41:38 pm
Toxic if you have said that you take the advice but act on contrary I would say dont read it dont read it dont read it and make you read it that way :) I guess nothing on earth will make you move so be my guest and let me know what happens in 4 years :)
Rofl, actually that's a smart idea :PMake me move? I move everyday :DJoking, I know what you mean, you're probably right, nothing will move me to get that book, but I wont say never :)Will do, coz you tried so hard and I appreciate it, I'll make you a nice Lannister signature just for fun xDBtw, yeah, I can't wait for Skyrim :)
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You know STark is my favorite house, I do respect Lannister too. Thank you. I only chose Cersei because I think it is one of most beautiful names I came across. I also like Nymeria
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AHa lol ! you two fit .... as nerds lol
like we do gates :D
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You know STark is my favorite house, I do respect Lannister too. Thank you. I only chose Cersei because I think it is one of most beautiful names I came across. I also like Nymeria
I thought your favorite is House Lannister coz of your name, guess I was wrong, Stark is my favorite house too, feel free to use my signature if you want :PYou're welcome :)I agree, Cersei is a beautiful name :D
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NO thank you for the Lannister Banner, It would be wrong to use start with Cersei, Ned would turn into his grave :)
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NO thank you for the Lannister Banner, It would be wrong to use start with Cersei, Ned would turn into his grave :)
Haha yeah, totally right, but he respected Cersei from what I saw, he just hated other Lannisters :DI realised that coz he warned her to run away before he went to tell the (ex) King about Jaime and her :)
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He only told her to run away because he knew children would suffer and Rober might have killed his kids, that is why you need to read the book :)
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He only told her to run away because he knew children would suffer and Rober might have killed his kids, that is why you need to read the book :)
That too, but if he knew how "tricky" she is and not respected her, he would never told her that :D
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AHa lol ! you two fit .... as nerds lol
like we do gates :D
I beet u everytime Jobs :D
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He only told her to run away because he knew children would suffer and Rober might have killed his kids, that is why you need to read the book :)
That too, but if he knew how "tricky" she is and not respected her, he would never told her that :D
I think it's more the fact that he just didn't want the children involved due to the type of person he is( awesome btw). Robert is a terrible person and Ned knew the moment he found out he would have them all killed.
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Yes, there is a time when he remembers that Robert never forgets anything, so if she stayed in the Kingdom no amount of time would save her. Robert is still as mad about Lyannas death as he was when it hapened. Robert and Stannis are alike in this. SO that is why he knew children would not be safe, Ned is too honorable to like or respect Cersei.
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Ok I understand :DLets quote Cersei "That's why you should read the book" :)
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You should definitely read the books. Like I said earlier, when it comes to fantasy it rivals LOTR imo.
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m4hbaggy Any book you would recommend? I am kinda lost, since I have been reading this book for 2 months, I read them too fast when I went on holidays which I regret now :) I downloaded few samples on my Kindle but can not seem to get in any book. I always have this after finishing really good book I feel off for a few days and even weeks. So now instead I am reading book one lol. Is there anything you were impressed by recently? Btw I would suggest trying The Dark Tower series by Stephen King
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Not really. ASOIAF was the last series I read and I haven't really been paying attention to any good series lately. My dad said that the Tomas Covenant series is quite good. Haven't gotten around to reading it yet though so not really sure. Heard mixed reviews about the Wheel of Time series as well. Heard it's a really good series but does drag on a bit at certain times. Same goes for the Mistborn series. I did just find http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2011/10/04/scifi-flowchart-full.jpg (http://www.geekologie.com/image.php?path=/2011/10/04/scifi-flowchart-full.jpg) though which seems quite useful.
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Thank you so much, I have started reading Max Frey Labirynth of echo, but cant seem to get in at all. My friend is reading it and she said it was good, but after George I find his writing skills poor. I will definitely look into those you said.Yoi have to check out Dark Tower series.
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Been meaning to get the Dark Tower books for ages but I just keep forgetting.
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Well the first one is not the best and it took me ages to get into it, but it is short and it is earliest of the series. But if you reach book 2 it starts! I really love book 2 the most even though the other ones are good too. I am not fan of STephen King's book ending mostly, he seems to have a very good story but it somehow ends ubruptly for me, but the ending of this one amazed me and I was really pleased. I dont know if you are familiar with his books, but you meet few characters from his other books in this one and you will even find out what happened to the Priest from the Silem's lot. It was extremely interesting and before Game of Thrones those series were my favorite. Now I can honestly say I have never read the book that had this kind of impact on me then Game of Thrones. I just wish I could wipe my memory blank and start reading it again :) ::)
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