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Recruitment & Justice => Staff Complaints & Misconduct => Resolved Staff Complaints => Topic started by: drn on January 03, 2013, 03:39:10 pm
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Admin: Dolmescher (STEAM_0:0:1632128904)
Server: Classic (176.31.61.185:29000)
Date & Time: Around 15:00 UTC on the 3/1/13
Complaint: Verbal abuse and kicking from the server.
Other Evidence (screenshots, demos...): I have packaged three demos together here: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?45hnatq9nzllpyd (http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?45hnatq9nzllpyd)
After the kick he apologised stating he pressed the wrong key but this is something I feel I have to doubt considering on the map before (the first demo in the set) he was asking people to complain about me on the forum so that "I can ban his ass".
Sorry it's something I don't feel is appropriate conduct and felt I had to flag it up.
The first demo is Dust2, with Dolm showing open hostility to me and asking people to complain about me. The second is very short, simply dolm kicking me on inferno. In the third I ask him why.
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Just check demos and... never rofl Dolm.. Man if you think drn hacks just bring proofs, don't keep doing things like ask ppl to report him to see if he can be banned or "kicking" him cos u just raging... (Or maybe it was really a mistake).
I think a warn should be enough, but thats up to High Staff.
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Drn is not hacking, he's playing on classic and dd2 for pretty long time...
Ontopic: Dolm is good admin, he was in spec when there was inferno map on, drn was ct, he probably checked him and saw nothing.
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Drn is not hacking ! anyways.
Well to be Honest
Dolmescher is one of best admins ever not jking :) I Joined once and i saw him in Spec. I asked him after half hour why ur not Joining? He said I join when im sure all are clear. Not even one admin do that. He is more in Spec then in Game ;D and still top15 best player. You report him for a kick. god thats rudiculas. So many got Permbaned " Mistake and didnt make a Report " He apologized,
Thats all what i have to say
i will delet my earlier post
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To be honest it was more the asking people to report me on the forums so he can ban me that i felt was the issue. The kick a relatively minor issue, I raised it because he'd done it earlier in the day and then left when I rejoined.
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Unacceptable admin behavior. If an admin is so immature, he shouldn't have admin rights. End of story.
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So on Ambrosia70 demo this the main bits of text they both said or was seen in the demo:
Dolmescher : drn
Dolmescher : fo!
drn : ?
*DEAD* Dolmescher : cant switch off cant u? drn
*DEAD* Dolmescher : huh
Then there was a few minute gap
Then this was said by DRN, i wasn't sure if some text was missing or something because it just came out of no where it seemed:
drn : had a break played some league of legends, came back for some cs
Dolmescher : whatever
Dolmescher : just turn it off
Then another little gap
And this was said
Dolmescher : yes
Dolmescher : report him on forum
Dolmescher : So i can ban him azz
Dolmescher: Drn quit
You can't really tell someone to quit the game because they are killing you and have done nothing wrong they have every right to be on the server to play.
Now i'm not sure why you are telling someone to report him as it would be pointless due to no evidence of any rule being broken apart from you acting disrespectful towards DRN for what i saw in this demo no reason since whenever he killed you and you moaned it was clear, either he saw you or you shot at him/his team mate first.
On to Ambrosia71 demo
Short demo, nothing here just gets kicked
On to Ambrosia72 demo (long demo)
drn : why kick?
*DEAD* drn : dol, why did you kicik me?
*SPEC* Dolmescher : /
*SPEC* Dolmescher : my bad
*SPEC* Dolmescher : wrong button
*DEAD* [HS] Wild Almighty : drn stupid cheater you still here
*SPEC* Dolmescher : )
Is about all that is said between Dolmescher and DRN
From what i have seen in the demos DRN hasn't done anything wrong to be told to "fo" and "quit" and to have a admin try and get players to go and report him for doing nothing, these are not actions of a admin, and i feel you was in the wrong from what evidence has been put forward by DRN here.
Just what i think.
On a side note, DRN you do love to press TAB a lot don't you lol )
Dolmescher is one of best admins ever not jking :) I Joined once and i saw him in Spec. I asked him after half hour why ur not Joining? He said I join when im sure all are clear. Not even one admin do that. He is more in Spec then in Game ;D and still top15 best player. You report him for a kick. god thats rudiculas. So many got Permbaned " Mistake and didnt make a Report " He apologized,
I don't know about that to be honest, he rarely goes spec (from what i have seen) doesn't tell people to follow the rules when people swearing / speaking non English and various other rules. In my personal opinion he is not one of the best admins we have and these demos/report just goes to show that.
last sentence deleted. this topic is not to judge the "standars" of other members.- Burzum
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I remember before he got accepted he was calling me names , making own rules , plus I dont understand why he got accepted in the first place
Check out his admin application for ss.
http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=10737.20 (http://www.ambrosia-servers.com/community/index.php?topic=10737.20)
PS:Think again , who was on fire dolmescher?
Timmer|Lv
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I can judge your standards from what you have said and it is my opinion, don't like it that is not my problem. Now please stay on topic.
I am On topic. I know Dolmescher. I was Admin in Classic too. How can you say he dont warn the players if they dont follow rules? He does!
Well if he dont do that when u play then i dont know! Then i think ur not really seeing that! ot whatever! hes a good admin.
I think Burzum can say more about him!
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Its not about his past or anything. Its about this report.
I agree with sami that this behavior is quite childish and an admin in such a big server shouldn't act like this.
Cheers...
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Told him to check report topic which was made by drn not long ago on classic server, but seems to me he doesnt care much....
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Told him to check report topic which was made by drn not long ago on classic server, but seems to me he doesnt care much....
Not really i saw him looking at the topic it was like Dolmescher,fisu.ect and 2 Guest are viewing this topic. Lets wait for his Replie.
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Waiting for the Head Admins input. He's been notified.
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1st of all, admin Dolmescher is very active and he usually is on spec, very little admins spend so many time in spec like him
about this report.
its UNACCEPTABLE an admin acting like this: swearing, accusing other players.....and also letting other players to insult DRN........ this is a little kid behaviour
i think i told him b4, if you think some1 is cheating record demo and ban, nothing more or nothing less. no need to accuse him and ofc NOT IN PUBLIC.... a really bad image for ambrosia staff
lets wait for Dolmescher if he got a good answer. anyways, i was checking logs and i didnt find any lost word or offense....
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Ahahahaha NO SUPPORT dolmescher never hacks and every time active on the server never see him not active and never kicks for no reasons and every one can have mistakes to press the wrong button and probably Ur hacker (as I think)!
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I don't think that if an admin is constantly spectating is a telling factor of his administrator qualities. I pretty much have seen Dolme playing and sometimes as spectator. Being spectator not always mean that the person is actually in game. Can be pretty much as afk. So far Dolmescher hasn't said anything in his defense although I saw him watching the topic the very same day it was created. I hope he understands himself how immature act he has made. Everyone makes mistakes and lets hope it was just a one time thing.
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I don't think that if an admin is constantly spectating is a telling factor of his administrator qualities. I pretty much have seen Dolme playing and sometimes as spectator. Being spectator not always mean that the person is actually in game. Can be pretty much as afk. So far Dolmescher hasn't said anything in his defense although I saw him watching the topic the very same day it was created. I hope he understands himself how immature act he has made. Everyone makes mistakes and lets hope it was just a one time thing.
Well its possible to other admins But not him. He was Spec like 20 Min all 3 min i asked him something he answerd " NOT AFK" Hes mature and very friendly! Always follows rules. As Burzum already said.
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Did he even read server rules? Seems to me he didnt since many players talk in their own language while he's either playing or sitting in spec, but Dolm never warns anyone just asks if for example the other day: "Is ana english?", i mean seriously, maybe a warn or something, but no action from his side whatsoever...
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this guy is doing what he wants.. he dont care about reports or something, i said spec this guy he didnt even answer me... and peoples was talking other language he didnt even say anything. ++++ today i said to him check forum there is a report about you as youguys see he didnt even came online to forum. he is badadmin..
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Ill try to contact him since he listens me more than anyone else, we used to talk alot when he was still a trial :)
Lets see if i can get him to come here and reply.
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I already talk to him about this and I told him to post in this topic so u can find out the answer for dolme tomorrow
And every one make mistakes in our life ;)
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That definitely took some time, shouldn't have been this way... Maybe set a final delay?
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Olito is right , I've seen him on this topic quiet a few times now , dont see why he cant reply,
Timmer|Lv
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I want a reply off admin by Tomorrow..
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drn or Drone however ur nick name is that kick was not expres I was going to transfer you to Ts team while u were playing on ct's side and there was no balance the ct's were 8 or 7 and the Ts were just 4 so instead of pressing the section of team player I pressed the section of slap/slay/kick section then I kicked you and now you can believe or or not that's your prob I am not a god u know everybody make mistakes!
this is about the kick.
So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me? u just complained about my behaviour ofc! I remember once that u sami<3 in the server u told me to chek drn when i was playing because u found him a little bit wierd why? cuz every1 was reporting him that's my point do u remember?so from that moment I kept an eye for him I know i did some errors when I sweared I must admit .
Ps:sorry for being late for the replie I got some problem with my pass so I had to make a new one.
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drn or Drone however ur nick name is that kick was not expres I was going to transfer you to Ts team while u were playing on ct's side and there was no balance the ct's were 8 or 7 and the Ts were just 4 so instead of pressing the section of team player I pressed the section of slap/slay/kick section then I kicked you and now you can believe or or not that's your prob I am not a god u know everybody make mistakes!
this is about the kick.
So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me? u just complained about my behaviour ofc! I remember once that u <3 in the server u told me to chek drn when i was playing because u found him a little bit wierd why? cuz every1 was reporting him that's my point do u remember?so from that moment I kept an eye for him I know i did some errors when I sweared I must admit .
Ps:sorry for being late for the replie I got some problem with my pass so I had to make a new one.
ofc u will get probs if you are never join forum 35pots nice,i think you are taking wrong decisions with your admin rights. i hope that head admins thinks about it.
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drn or Drone however ur nick name is that kick was not expres I was going to transfer you to Ts team while u were playing on ct's side and there was no balance the ct's were 8 or 7 and the Ts were just 4 so instead of pressing the section of team player I pressed the section of slap/slay/kick section then I kicked you and now you can believe or or not that's your prob I am not a god u know everybody make mistakes!
this is about the kick.
So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me? u just complained about my behaviour ofc! I remember once that u <3 in the server u told me to chek drn when i was playing because u found him a little bit wierd why? cuz every1 was reporting him that's my point do u remember?so from that moment I kept an eye for him I know i did some errors when I sweared I must admit .
Ps:sorry for being late for the replie I got some problem with my pass so I had to make a new one.
ofc u will get probs if you are never join forum 35pots nice,i think you are taking wrong decisions with your admin rights. i hope that head admins thinks about it.
Well Posts dont say anything about ur activity in forum ! He dont need to check or to replie every topic made in ambrosia ofc i suggest him to be more ;)
Anyway hes a human hes.not perfekt. All makes mistakes.
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35 Post says nothing about his activity in forum.. I think his mistake can be forget. Only one Player Report him for this mistake i thin it was once and will be never one.. Any Human earn a second Chance.
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We are not talking here about his rights being removed. From what i see here, we got some new faces posting on this topic without knowing the facts and the fact is that he's the most active admin of all, second place is taken by "damage". For the past week i havent seen any other admins than only these two. As i remember there was another community on interent where i used to hang around and there was a simple but effective forum rule which stated "Dont post on topics which doesnt concern you". So in this case why Dolm should care about being active on topics which doesnt concern him except Classic server topics or other server topics where he could just post his own ideas, since he might be playing there.
The same im doing. I do post on topics which concern some of the servers where i play on. Classic server, DM and dd2 are the most important for me and ofcourse the administration application board where i see loads of players applying for admin on classic but they aint active at all. So yeah everybody make mistakes, this can be easily forgiven since its the first mistake he made. Just one advice to you Dolm, be reasonable, if other players complain about some certain player, check him in spec, if he's not cheating tell others that and tell them to calm down. Never accuse someone of hacks ingame...
Enough said.
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Us admin's to have a life, we don't have to be on our PC 24/7 and i agree that Dolm is one of the most active admin's on classic but still i don't think he should done what he did but i say give him a warn and that's it.
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Us admin's to have a life, we don't have to be on our PC 24/7 and i agree that Dolm is one of the most active admin's on classic but still i don't think he should done what he did but i say give him a warn and that's it.
Mate hes a Human :D All make mistakes even you made mistakes in your Admin periode and you didnt bekom a warn. In my trial i made like 10 Mistakes till i got a known and a good admin. So i didnt became any warns for it. Next time he should look where he clicks nothing more all make mistakes.
But some members have the feeling to demote him for that. I call them haters nothing more!
:D <3
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Us admin's to have a life, we don't have to be on our PC 24/7 and i agree that Dolm is one of the most active admin's on classic but still i don't think he should done what he did but i say give him a warn and that's it.
Rageing then calling a player wallhack? If people read rules it says:
Admins must follow these basic Rules:
1. No Cheating
2. No abusing your Admin Rights.
3. When you see Cheaters, main thing you do is record a demo, After which, ban the players SteamID and/or IP.
4. If the Head Admin gives you orders to do a certain request, you must follow that ordered request at all times.
5. No slaying/slapping without a reason.
6. No glowing invisible.
7. No map changing without vote!
8. Don't ever use admin commands on other admins. If you see an admin abusing just gather the evidence and report it.
9. NO ADVERTISING.
What makes a good Admin?
You should be calm and patient to the players.
You should know the rules of this server.
You should be active on server and on forums (not only in admin application).
You should help the new players to get the idea of the Game.
You should understand English language without any problems.
You should be friendly and respectful to other players.
You should never use admin powers for your own benefit.
You should not administrate other Counter-Strike communities.
Tips:
- Fill the form correctly and neatly.
- Do not ask why players, who applied after you, got admins rights already...
- Do not tell that you are a friend to the current admins.
- Do not disturb ANY admin/moderator with the asking "Spectate me - I am good to be an admin"...
- Do not ask "When i will be admin? Give me rights!" it will just lower your chance.
- Do not start "If I were admin...", "Server in chaos, no admin, i am good for admin..."- Do not try to act as admin...
Exactly, but as you guy's said everyone makes mistakes so like i said just give him a warn.
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Ok, Dolmescher, when I said to check Drone, that was all I asked for, nothing else. I did find unusual some of his gameplay and since he knew I am admin I asked you - another admin to have a look at him. If you couldn't find anything the same as I didn't you should never support people who accuse others of cheating. Remember guilty only when proven. So he isn't cheating until he is caught. No evidence only people who keep dying from him gets annoyed and frustrated that someone is better than them. Therefore if someone is better than them he/she is a cheater.
I can tell you same example, earlier before you came to server, I was playing and one particular player was swearing and insulting Drone for cheating. I firstly asked the person to stop swearing and then checked him, since I couldn't see anything worth the ban, I joined the game. Of course still having my suspicions. The person still didn't stop insulting and I kicked him. When he joined I simply said not to insult anyone or swear. After a moment he continued, so I banned him for 5 min. If someone is too stressed, then simply direct them to calm down. Don't let players to insult even a cheater. Get proof, ban him. No proof, well maybe next time.
As admin you have to be neutral, but in this instance you chose to be another player with admin rights. Even so you say you accidentally kicked him, I doubt that's the case, slap/slay menu is another menu for kick/ban menu. You can either admit your mistake as not following the admin protocol or get a harsh punishment. Learn from your mistakes. I do think you are very active and also a good player, think about it.
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Can I also reinforce the point I'm not a cheat, never have and never will, I'm happy to upload all demos of my play. Please feel free to spectate me to your hearts content if you think I look suspect, I take it as a compliment that I'm playing well.
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So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me?
Can i just say, this does not indicate he is cheating in any way, i get the same reports and complaints about you, people saying you cheat but no one will do anything because you are admin.
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Ok, Dolmescher, when I said to check Drone, that was all I asked for, nothing else. I did find unusual some of his gameplay and since he knew I am admin I asked you - another admin to have a look at him. If you couldn't find anything the same as I didn't you should never support people who accuse others of cheating. Remember guilty only when proven. So he isn't cheating until he is caught. No evidence only people who keep dying from him gets annoyed and frustrated that someone is better than them. Therefore if someone is better than them he/she is a cheater.
I can tell you same example, earlier before you came to server, I was playing and one particular player was swearing and insulting Drone for cheating. I firstly asked the person to stop swearing and then checked him, since I couldn't see anything worth the ban, I joined the game. Of course still having my suspicions. The person still didn't stop insulting and I kicked him. When he joined I simply said not to insult anyone or swear. After a moment he continued, so I banned him for 5 min. If someone is too stressed, then simply direct them to calm down. Don't let players to insult even a cheater. Get proof, ban him. No proof, well maybe next time.
As admin you have to be neutral, but in this instance you chose to be another player with admin rights. Even so you say you accidentally kicked him, I doubt that's the case, slap/slay menu is another menu for kick/ban menu. You can either admit your mistake as not following the admin protocol or get a harsh punishment. Learn from your mistakes. I do think you are very active and also a good player, think about it.
I agree with you mate but there is one point i dont agree.
When he said he accedently clicked on Kick instead of Slap thats possible! As we can see he binded the keys for " Kickmenu" Slapmenu Teammenu ect. Same i did. And instead of pressing the team one he pressed the Kick one its Very possible happend to me too but i always read if i picked the right one. He didnt. Thats the little mistake.. You cant say he did it cuz he wanted to do it it was a Mistake...
With binds its esayer for kicking slaying ect.
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So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me?
Can i just say, this does not indicate he is cheating in any way, i get the same reports and complaints about you, people saying you cheat but no one will do anything because you are admin.
But sry what do you mean he cheats and hes admin and noone will do anything about it??
Cheater is a Cheater where ever he is admin or not he needs to get banned nothing else.
If the admin is cheating that is ofc.
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In my opinion we should have 1 more post from Dolm deffending him self and responding to everything and then locking this topic because if not its going to cause argument's, then higher staff can make their desicion. This is my opinon.
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sami i am not active in what? :) at game u mean? :-\
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Dolm I said you are active. ;)
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So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me?
Can i just say, this does not indicate he is cheating in any way, i get the same reports and complaints about you, people saying you cheat but no one will do anything because you are admin.
But sry what do you mean he cheats and hes admin and noone will do anything about it??
Cheater is a Cheater where ever he is admin or not he needs to get banned nothing else.
If the admin is cheating that is ofc.
I am not saying he cheats and i am not saying that no body will do anything about it, i am saying that i have received the same complaints about him that he is saying he gets about "DRN"
But many of the players who make the complaints about him believe that the other admins/higher staff will not believe them because he is a admin.
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drn or Drone however ur nick name is that kick was not expres I was going to transfer you to Ts team while u were playing on ct's side and there was no balance the ct's were 8 or 7 and the Ts were just 4 so instead of pressing the section of team player I pressed the section of slap/slay/kick section then I kicked you and now you can believe or or not that's your prob I am not a god u know everybody make mistakes!
this is about the kick.
about the kick, every1 does mistakes. a kick is not a big mistake also, coz i banned permanent accidentaly some times. so i see the kick like an innocent mistake
now we go to the 2nd point:
So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me? u just complained about my behaviour ofc! I remember once that u sami<3 in the server u told me to chek drn when i was playing because u found him a little bit wierd why? cuz every1 was reporting him that's my point do u remember?so from that moment I kept an eye for him I know i did some errors when I sweared I must admit .
Ps:sorry for being late for the replie I got some problem with my pass so I had to make a new one.
admin´s job: when some player report a player in chat admin, you must go spec mode and record him. if you dont see any hack on the player you must tell the reporter than the player reported is clean, to the reporter dont insist again and again
so, if players complain about DRN, every single round accusing him, ADMINS MUST STOP THAT, if you did spec on him and you didnt find any hack, you must warn the server to stop accusing DRN, and ofc if somebody is insulting him YOU MUST PUNISH that players accusing and disrespecting (i mean this guy "*DEAD* [HS] Wild Almighty : drn stupid cheater you still here") we can not admit this behaviours on server
to summarize: about the kick is not a big issue
the problem was about the behaviour
Dolmescher: take this like a warning, dont fail again in something like this or we will take actions in your admin rights
we will keep open the topic, a little time more, waiting some usefull reply
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drn or Drone however ur nick name is that kick was not expres I was going to transfer you to Ts team while u were playing on ct's side and there was no balance the ct's were 8 or 7 and the Ts were just 4 so instead of pressing the section of team player I pressed the section of slap/slay/kick section then I kicked you and now you can believe or or not that's your prob I am not a god u know everybody make mistakes!
this is about the kick.
about the kick, every1 does mistakes. a kick is not a big mistake also, coz i banned permanent accidentaly some times. so i see the kick like an innocent mistake
now we go to the 2nd point:
So why every time u play in the sv all players start to accuse u to turn off the cheats all kind of players proos naabs etc...and its normal I act like that cuz they report u in admin chat every single round so why u didnt ask ur self why they accuse me? u just complained about my behaviour ofc! I remember once that u sami<3 in the server u told me to chek drn when i was playing because u found him a little bit wierd why? cuz every1 was reporting him that's my point do u remember?so from that moment I kept an eye for him I know i did some errors when I sweared I must admit .
Ps:sorry for being late for the replie I got some problem with my pass so I had to make a new one.
admin´s job: when some player report a player in chat admin, you must go spec mode and record him. if you dont see any hack on the player you must tell the reporter than the player reported is clean, to the reporter dont insist again and again
so, if players complain about DRN, every single round accusing him, ADMINS MUST STOP THAT, if you did spec on him and you didnt find any hack, you must warn the server to stop accusing DRN, and ofc if somebody is insulting him YOU MUST PUNISH that players accusing and disrespecting (i mean this guy "*DEAD* [HS] Wild Almighty : drn stupid cheater you still here") we can not admit this behaviours on server
to summarize: about the kick is not a big issue
the problem was about the behaviour
Dolmescher: take this like a warning, dont fail again in something like this or we will take actions in your admin rights
we will keep open the topic, a little time more, waiting some usefull reply
Thats right 100%. And dorne domt think he will be domoted by kicking by mistakes
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Mistakes happen so the kick more or less is irrelevant in the issue. I think Dolmescher should answer the last time.
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Anyway I think this wont reproduce again and for the next time I'll pay more attention.
So this could be my last replie see you arround guys. ;)
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Locked, wait for emperor or head admin reply.
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i hope this topic remain as a warning for you Dolmescher
if you think any player is hacking, or ppl complain about some1, you must go spec and record him, if he is clean tell this to the other players to they dont report again, and ofc dont let them insult the player
and ofc, no swear and dont disrespect